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charlie6


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PostPosted: Tue 31 Aug 2010, 03:35    Post subject:  

Hi,
(on lupq006 frugal + fr_BE locale + countrywizard-0.7.pet + lang_pack_fr-lupq-0.1.pet)
have installed both
Fontmap-8.11-lupu-1.pet
gsfonts-8.11-lup.pet
(not any other fontfile installed)

Great ! it solves the error
Code:
# gv rf07kbs.ps
Error: /invalidfont in /findfont ...
(see previous post on page3)
while opening a .ps file

Abiword: OK! it displays TimesnewRoman bold police

many thanks to you all (shinobar, rcrsn51, upnorth ) !
Cheers, Charlie
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PostPosted: Tue 31 Aug 2010, 20:57    Post subject: Next release plan
Subject description: Removing two components
 

Merci Charlie. Your testing report was the start of this story.

LupQ-006 plus bugfixes done the last one week seems mostly content. I am going to release next version in couple of days.

I will remove components from the current, that is IceWM and Simple Network Setup.
The major reason is that I like the LupQ to be simple for users especially for beginners. And the cost of maintaining and developing.

The Lupu and LupQ up to 006 has 2 window manager, JWM and IceWM. JWM is the startup and the user can switch to IceWM in 2 cases:
The first case, some problem on JWM may disappear on IceWM. The second, the person likes IceWM rather than JWM. I do not discuss on the second case.
Yes JWM has some problem but IceWM may have another.
How the users do? Try and error, go and back between the 2 options.
How the developers do? Look for the counter measure against both JWM problem and IceWM problem.

In the menu, you can find the configuring tools both for JWM and for IceWM, but which works for the current window manager? It can confuse the users.
So I like to remove IceWM and keep JWM for the main release. Another options shall be provided as the additional PETs. But the proper IceWM pet is not available now. Hope someone makes a good one.

I can say the same things on the Simple Network Setup(SNS). SNS itself is simple, but the Network Wizard is still essential to fill the lacking feature of the SNS. And switching between the two can be annoying and/or confusing.
Every time facing bug reports, we have to ask 'Which tool did you try?'.
I know no one is responsible to maintain the Network Wizard now. But the community can do, i hope, if we take efforts focused on it.

How do you think?

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PostPosted: Tue 31 Aug 2010, 23:58    Post subject:  

Hi shinobar,
Quote:
... I will remove components from the current, that is IceWM and Simple Network Setup.
The major reason is that I like the LupQ to be simple for users especially for beginners. And the cost of maintaining and developing.


I agree with you. «Keep it simple» is often an interesting way.

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PostPosted: Wed 01 Sep 2010, 01:05    Post subject:  

Hi,
this is something strange...
1. on lupq-006 fresh live-cd session + just setup locale to fr_Be keyboard and GMT+2
Menu/System/System schedule/Puppy Event Manager do not display the pup event dialog box

2. it works instead on lupq-006 fresh live-cd session without any locale nor GMT setup change; or when back from fr_BE to US locale ;

this happens whatever countrywizard version, 0.5 or 0.7.

3. something else now: the usb stick icons keep displayed after unplugging them, and even after reboot with not any usb stick plugged in ...?!
Also even after ticking "redraw drive icons" in the puppy event manager (...got this working by setting locale back to US locale as in paragraph 2. above);
(hmmm...I also believe I possibly have damaged something in removing some applications - see below).

this happens on lupq006 frugal + fr_BE locale + countrywizard-0.7.pet + lang_pack_fr-lupq-0.1.pet
+ removed: all games + homebank + icewm components
+ added:
countrywizard-0.7
lang_pack_fr-lupq-0.1
Firefox-3.6.6-Lucid
Wine-1.1.43-Lucid
gsfonts-8.11-lup
Fontmap-8.11-lupu-1
numlockx-1.1
galculator-1.3.4-i386
mtPaint-3.34.55
poedit_1.4.2-3_forPuppy412-i686
pfind_NLS-4.x
pfind-4.19 (do'nt know which version lupq-006 is featured with)

note that when plugging again the usb sticks, they can be mounted/unmounted without problem

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PostPosted: Wed 01 Sep 2010, 01:55    Post subject: Some bugs on lupq-006  

Thanks for the report.
charlie6 wrote:
1. on lupq-006 fresh live-cd session + just setup locale to fr_Be keyboard and GMT+2
Menu/System/System schedule/Puppy Event Manager do not display the pup event dialog box
2. it works instead on lupq-006 fresh live-cd session without any locale nor GMT setup change; or when back from fr_BE to US locale ;

Seems the French translation is broken. I will check it up.

charlie6 wrote:
the usb stick icons keep displayed after unplugging them, and even after reboot with not any usb stick plugged in ...?!
Also even after ticking "redraw drive icons" in the puppy event manager

Type on the terminal:
Code:
chmod +x /sbin/clean_desk_icons

merci.

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PostPosted: Wed 01 Sep 2010, 02:16    Post subject: pup_event french
Subject description: was broken
 

charlie6 wrote:
1. on lupq-006 fresh live-cd session + just setup locale to fr_Be keyboard and GMT+2
Menu/System/System schedule/Puppy Event Manager do not display the pup event dialog box
2. it works instead on lupq-006 fresh live-cd session without any locale nor GMT setup change; or when back from fr_BE to US locale

Please replace '/usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/pup_event.mo' with the attached.

merci.
pup_event_fr-20100901.tar.gz
Description  /usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/pup_event.mo
/usr/share/doc/nls/pup_event/ft.po (... for reference)
gz

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Filename  pup_event_fr-20100901.tar.gz 
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PostPosted: Wed 01 Sep 2010, 05:23    Post subject: desktop icons
Subject description: desktop icons of removed drives
 

Quote:
charlie6 wrote:
the usb stick icons keep displayed after unplugging them, and even after reboot with not any usb stick plugged in ...?!
Also even after ticking "redraw drive icons" in the puppy event manager

Type on the terminal:
Code:
chmod +x /sbin/clean_desk_icons


@shinobar
Yes, that did it right!

Before it was an everlasting bug in every puppy. I was used to just delete everything in /root/.pup_event. Now I was wondering that pup_event did not display the translated german texts.
Applying the chmod it is OK now. Very Happy

Quote:
I agree with you. «Keep it simple» is often an interesting way.

I agree, too, with emphasize on often. (not always)

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PostPosted: Thu 02 Sep 2010, 04:54    Post subject: UPDATE: Lupq-507
Subject description: See the top of this topic
 

Now comes the second beta release of QuickSet edition of Lucid Puppy!
Try the new version Lupq-507 and feed back.

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PostPosted: Thu 02 Sep 2010, 14:03    Post subject: Lupq-507
Subject description: language
 

Good morning to Australia and Japan
bon soir a France et Belgique

tested Lupq-507
locale de_: puppy-desktop posted translations are included
locale fr_: pup_event translated terms are displayed
was pfix=ram Smile

found a small problem:
some of my translations are too long (in French at the moment "Connexion" beside "Quickpet")
Can the fontsize be made smaller?
Or the distance between the icons larger?
Or, best for now, I will change
"Textverarbeitung" to "Text-VA"
and
"Tabellenkalkulation" to "Kalk."
"Einhängen" to "Laufwerk" (mount -> drive)
"Installieren" to "" (remains English install)
"Verbinden" to "Netz"
(I write this just because other translators might have similiar problems)
Updated po and mo attached.

Edit: Concerning Xdialog.mo
I found out that Xdialog needs the .mo in /usr/local/share/locale and symlinked to it
Code:
ln -s /usr/share/locale /usr/local/share/locale

looks really good now and would be nice for the other languages, too.
puppy-desktop-de.tar.gz
Description  /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/puppy-desktop.mo
/usr/share/doc/nls/puppy-desktop/de.po
gz

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PostPosted: Thu 02 Sep 2010, 19:52    Post subject: Re: Lupq-507, /usr/local/share/locale
Subject description: language
 

Danke, L18L.
We have another topic focusing on the translations, thanks.
L18L wrote:
ln -s /usr/share/locale /usr/local/share/locale

Good idea. Because some applications refer to /usr/local/share/locale.

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PostPosted: Thu 02 Sep 2010, 19:56    Post subject: IceWM  

IceWM is removed from LupQ-507.
IceWM seems not yet finalized even with the Lupu-511. I guess it takes a time to prepare the additional package of IceWM.

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Sep 2010, 00:00    Post subject: libflashplayer  

Installing the pets libflashplayer available from here makes trouble for the frugal install on flash drives.
Instead, use libflashplayer-10.1.82.76-1.pet from here.

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Sep 2010, 01:43    Post subject:
Subject description: Netsurf does not displays mtpaint handbook (solved - see below)
 

Bonjour !
(on lupq-507 frugal + fr_BE locale +lang_pack_fr-lupq-0.1.pet + Fontmap-8.11 lupu-1.pet + gsfonts-8.11-lup.pet )
I have installed the mtpaint 3.31 handbook from muggins's post here - thanks muggins ! Wink :
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=22164

Mtpaint Image/Preferences/Paths are set to:
- HTML browser: /usr/local/bin/defaultbrowser
- manual path: ///usr/doc/mtpaint/index.html

note the '///' before 'usr/share/doc/mtpaint/index.html' (without the quotes!)

So NetSurf cannot display the manual : warning message from Netsurf « Couldn't resolve host 'http:'»;
whereas Netsurf is able to display other .html or .htm as /usr/share/doc/home.html with file:///usr/share/doc/home.html displayed in the search field;
If replacing inside Netsurf/Edit/Preferences/General/home page URL by file:///usr/doc mtpaint/index.html , then it displays the mtpaint handbook.
I also tried typing various syntaxes within mtpaint's Manual Path but withiout success.

So I believe there could be some problem in the link between mtpaint and Netsurf.

(I got also a try on my current puppy420'mtpaint3.31 and it works typing just '/usr/doc mtpaint/index.html'in the Manual Path - browser is Semonkey 2.06).

Cheers, Charlie

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Sep 2010, 01:43    Post subject:
Subject description: Netsurf does not displays mtpaint handbook
 

Bonjour !
(on lupq-507 frugal + fr_BE locale +lang_pack_fr-lupq-0.1.pet + Fontmap-8.11 lupu-1.pet + gsfonts-8.11-lup.pet )
I have installed the mtpaint 3.31 handbook from muggins's post here - thanks muggins ! Wink :
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=22164

Mtpaint Image/Preferences/Paths are set to:
- HTML browser: /usr/local/bin/defaultbrowser
- manual path: ///usr/doc/mtpaint/index.html

note the '///' before 'usr/share/doc/mtpaint/index.html' (without the quotes!)

So NetSurf cannot display the manual : warning message from Netsurf « Couldn't resolve host 'http:'»;
whereas Netsurf is able to display other .html or .htm as /usr/share/doc/home.html with file:///usr/share/doc/home.html displayed in the search field;
If replacing inside Netsurf/Edit/Preferences/General/home page URL by file:///usr/doc mtpaint/index.html , then it displays the mtpaint handbook.
I also tried typing various syntaxes within mtpaint's Manual Path but withiout success.

So I believe there could be some problem in the link between mtpaint and Netsurf.

(I got also a try on my current puppy420'mtpaint3.31 and it works typing just '/usr/doc mtpaint/index.html'in the Manual Path - browser is Semonkey 2.06).

Cheers, Charlie
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PostPosted: Sun 05 Sep 2010, 02:46    Post subject: Netsurf as the defaultbrowser
Subject description: Netsurf does not displays mtpaint handbook
 

charlie6 wrote:
NetSurf cannot display the manual : warning message from Netsurf « Couldn't resolve host 'http:'»;

Is a problem of netsurf if it is set as the defaultbrowser.
Using gtkmoz is a solution. The gtkmoz is a wrapper of the netsurf. And /usr/local/bin/defaulthtmlviewer points gtkmoz.

One solution is to set the browser for the mtpaint to /usr/local/bin/defaulthtmlviewer.
Another solution is to set 'gtkmoz "$@"' at /usr/local/bin/defaulthtbrowser.
Or, replace /usr/bin/netsurf with another wrapper ... Cool

Anyway thanks for the report, charlie.
Ciao!

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