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The frugal install of Luci 222 on the P3 is still working fine.......nothing bad to report........

Installed a number of pets and no problems yet.

Shinobars' synclient-wrapper worked on Inspiron 700m.

Booted 222 live cd with pfix=ram on Eeepc 701
Used gparted to create a primary ext3 partition on 8gb flash drive and set boot flag.
Used universal installer to install 222 to the flash drive and exited 222.
Moved flash drive to Acer Revo Nettop booted from the flash drive.
222 booted directly to the desktop at correct resolution and detected wireless keyboard and mouse, the wired network was also connected.
The Lupu Recommends box was empty ( nvidia ion not there)
Downloaded latest nvidia driver with quickpet and did the install thing (black bar at top of screen).
# glxgears
8086 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1617.200 FPS
9394 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1878.800 FPS
10161 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2032.200 FPS
10145 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2029.000 FPS
10180 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2036.000 FPS
10157 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2031.400 FPS
10169 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2033.800 FPS
10141 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2028.200 FPS
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Computer
Processor
4x Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU 330 @ 1.60GHz
Memory
1814MB (142MB used)
Operating System
Puppy Linux 0.22
User Name
root (root)
Date/Time
Tue 31 Aug 2010 09:15:04 PM GMT-8
Display
Resolution
1440x900 pixels
OpenGL Renderer
ION/PCI/SSE2
X11 Vendor
The X.Org Foundation
Multimedia
Audio Adapter
HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
Audio Adapter
USB-Audio - USB Device 0x46d
Input Devices
Chicony 2.4G Multimedia Wireless Kit

Chicony 2.4G Multimedia Wireless Kit

UVC Camera (046d:08c5)

OpenGL
Vendor
NVIDIA Corporation
Renderer
ION/PCI/SSE2
Version
3.3.0 NVIDIA 256.35
Direct Rendering
Yes

Did setup wizards, and downloaded Firefox 4 beta3,googleearth,and vlc.
Rebooted to create save file.
Yay, it all works!

playdayz wrote:There is a kind of interesting design approach in Lupu that is somewhat unique.

(Just a little rambling theory for fun)
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I'm not sure serendipity qualifies as a "design approach".

DaveS wrote:

playdayz wrote:

Tried to set Flsynclient..... Synaptics not found!
Re-booted creating save file. Tried Flsynclient again... Synaptics not found.
Deleted save file, re-booted using classic configuration system. All no problem INCLUDING successful Synaptics install.

You know, we have had a report that synaptics only worked when automatically configured not when configured with CCE. As far as I am concerned it is all one system and we have two methods of configuring--if one does not work correctly then there is a chance the other will. It sounds like you are able to configure your hardware and use Lucid Puppy. Good deal.

Agreed. And it works the best yet. I actually deleted my 'fall back' Mint today. Never use it now

There is something about Flsynclient on Barry's blog.
Not sure if it helps this problem.
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01782

Luci-222 live pfix=ram on the quad. Only installed Firefox.....no Nvidia driver yet.
Booted to the correct resolution(1366x768) and working sound and internet.No acceleration though.


VIDEO REPORT: Lucid Puppy, version 222

Chip description:
oem: NVIDIA
product: MCP61 - mcp61-86 Chip Rev

Driver used by Xorg:


Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution: Depth:

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
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-Computer-
Processor : 4x AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 620 Processor
Memory : 2854MB (141MB used)
Operating System : Puppy Linux 0.22
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Wed 01 Sep 2010 12:38:13 AM GMT-8
-Display-
Resolution : 1366x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Unknown
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation

Going to install Nvidia driver, back in a few....

shinobar wrote:

DaveS wrote:

shinobar wrote: The Synaptics touchpad works from the first desktop, but the flsynclient fails.
I made a wrapper script which can be a solution.
Try this.
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 668#444668

OK... fresh frugal install, no save file. Booted to desktop. Installed wrapper script. Attempted flsynclient.... Synaptics found, must restart X to use it. Attempted restart X, fail. Ran Xorg wizard... fail.
Hmmm....
Reboot, use classic configuration procedure, all fine.

Sorry, it was not tested on Lupu. Try the revised if you still have an interest.

TOTAL SUCCESS!
Automatic configuration works with this wrapper installed! Flsynclient bug DEAD!

I'm back................

Installed the Nvidia 256.35 driver with Quickpet, made a few tweaks in the Nvidia wizard and.........



VIDEO REPORT: Lucid Puppy, version 222

Chip description:
oem: NVIDIA
product: MCP61 - mcp61-86 Chip Rev

Driver used by Xorg:
nvidia

Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution: Depth 24 Depth: "Display"

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
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# glxgears
7742 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1548.400 FPS
9224 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1844.800 FPS
10063 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2012.600 FPS
10063 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2012.600 FPS
10053 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2010.600 FPS
10040 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2008.000 FPS
14137 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2827.400 FPS
14583 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2916.600 FPS
14205 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2841.000 FPS
14213 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2842.600 FPS

Still can't find the driver database for cups 1.4.3

the printers and drivers are listed at /usr/share/gutenprint/5.2/xml/printers.xml

One database seem to be at /usr/share/cups/ppdc/

and another at /usr/lib/gutenprint/5.2/modules/

I have an epson printer and I`m very confident

but there seems to be only one file for brother at /usr/share/ppd/

I`m wondering if some people are having problems setting up the printer for not having drivers already.

Had printed pdf without problems -- the pdf patch would take time to download and play around with.

The only nasty experience was that midori started doubling up http://localhost:631/ to http://localhost//localhost:631/
I had such too with firefox at one 4.3 adding www. like http://www.localhost:631/ while at internet (this was repaired by replacing /etc/cups) but until now there weren`t any X server crashes or hard shutdown so I do not see the need for examining /etc/cups at the moment

`cups_shell` seems to be right; couldn`t find any doubles there

JRB is back after a (too long for us) break.

What's more - he is going to do a little development! The Lucid developer team just gets better and better.

With QuickPet and an integrated SFS linker we can hopefully silence those reviewers who say the expansion possibilities of Puppy are limited.

I feel good today!

Query for Playdayz

Regarding the init script that executes on startup.

Is the Lucid design philosopy to take that which is provided via woof or could we tinker with it to provide a Lucid specific experience?

I ask this because there are some features implemented in other init scripts that could be useful, such as these examples:

- Shinobar's mod to allow add on sfs files to be stored in the same location as the Puppy files in a frugal install.
- when using a live CD give an option whether the sfs file is transferred to hard drive from the CD and not do it automatically.
- speed the frugal boot process by searching the psubdir location directly (when psubdir is used) rather than search everwhere and then ignore anything outside psubdir.

Karl Godt wrote:Still can't find the driver database for cups 1.4.3

I believe that you are looking for the collection of PPD files. Strictly speaking, these are not printer drivers.

Like I said in my previous post, CUPS 1.4.3 does not need to keep a permanent store of Gutenprint PPD files. That's why you can't find them. When you select a printer, CUPS generates the matching PPD file on the fly, then transfers it to /etc/cups/ppd.

ICPUG wrote: there are some features implemented in other init scripts that could be useful, such as these examples:.

thanks for your interest. I like to add some information.

• Shinobar's mod to allow add on sfs files to be stored in the same location as the Puppy files in a frugal install.
  This is implemented in Puppy-4.3JP first and now woof 20Jul2010 and later also has. Lupu-222 too? i have not yet tested on lupu.
  See Barry's Blog.
• when using a live CD give an option whether the sfs file is transferred to hard drive from the CD and not do it automatically.
  The automatical copy of sfs is removed on Puppy-4.2, the last community edition, but Barry brings back at Puppy 4.3.
• speed the frugal boot process by searching the psubdir location directly (when psubdir is used) rather than search everwhere and then ignore anything outside psubdir.
  Maybe Puppy-4.3JP and later, unique on Japanese editions.

See Puppy Linux 431JP release note section 'Differences from original version', item 2, for the detail.

trying Luci222: no problems with apps, though I'm likely not as thorough as some. Pcd, Pmusic and psync worked fine. I was not able to determine if 915resolution works properly, but I get 1024x768x24 normally and don't miss not getting the max 32 bit color depth.

In the tiny details dept: It might be "nice" if moving the second psync window didn't erase the underlying one. Also, mainly for the benefit of newer users, shouldn't there be an "Exit to prompt" item in the icewm menu item as exists in jwm and is referred to in "Setup"? Maybe merely relabel "Logout"?

Apparently not a problem for most, for me Luci222 fails often (unrecoverable black screen) on reboot or anything that involves restarting X, such as switching from jwm to icewm. Sure did make trying to test 915resolution a pain. Lucid 5.10 is good in this respect though not perfect. Only "intel 845" knows why ...

Seamonkey had the refresh problem when ovelapping the taskbar overlap initially, but not after a reboot. I think firefox did the same on Lucid 510.

... with thanks.

CUPS generates the matching PPD file on the fly

So it's in the air ?
not becomming rude is difficult sometimes

Query for Playdayz

Regarding the init script that executes on startup.

Is the Lucid design philosopy to take that which is provided via woof or could we tinker with it to provide a Lucid specific experience?

Hey ICPUG, In general the design philosophy is too stay as close as possible to Woof. In a sense Lucid Puppy is a show piece for the Woof Puppy Builder. Also, the Woof code has been very well-tested and refined, which imho an "official" build of Puppy should be. Obviously, we don't follow Woof entirely in booting to the desktop--but you might be surprised at how few changes in the code that involves--three lines added to xorgwizard, the initial abbreviated xorgwizard on first boot (which Barry suggested btw), and the switcheroo between xorg-setup and xorgwizard on first boot. Some of our changes have already filtered back into Woof so one shouldn't think that no forward motion is taking place. We also added the Browser Chooser and Quickpet, etc., but these are simple programs that are added rather than modifications to the system code. Barry does incorporate modifications to the system code of Woof suggested by other people and they reach us that way also. Thanks.

Lucid Puppy is definitely more conservative than someone can be with a derivative of course, which I think it appropriate. I have become more conservative myself as I understand more and more how much Puppy evolved as a "whole," that is, with a lot of inter-dependent code--such that making changes can have unexpected repercussions.

Apparently not a problem for most, for me Luci222 fails often (unrecoverable black screen) on reboot or anything that involves restarting X, such as switching from jwm to icewm. Sure did make trying to test 915resolution a pain. Lucid 5.10 is good in this respect though not perfect. Only "intel 845" knows why ...

This worries me since there is a new 915resolution--can other Intel graphics users test please.

Karl Godt wrote:

CUPS generates the matching PPD file on the fly

So it's in the air ?

The PPD file is generated from the XML database that you have already discovered.

Are you having trouble installing a particular printer? What make and model?

[Edit] "On the fly" is an expression meaning "immediately, while you wait".

915resolution only affects Xvesa. Xorg doesn't use it at all.

Luci-222 live pfix=ram on a different Intel box. Booted to the correct resolution (1440x900) and working sound and internet. Installed Xorg_High and Firefox.



VIDEO REPORT: Lucid Puppy, version 222

Chip description:
Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller

Driver used by Xorg:


Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution: Depth:

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
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# glxgears
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--OpenGL-
Vendor : Tungsten Graphics, Inc
Renderer : Mesa DRI Intel(R) 865G GEM 20091221 2009Q4 x86/MMX/SSE2
Version : 1.3 Mesa 7.7.1
Direct Rendering : Yes


-Computer-
Processor : 2x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.60GHz
Memory : 2593MB (129MB used)
Operating System : Puppy Linux 0.22
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Wed 01 Sep 2010 10:49:49 AM GMT-8
-Display-
Resolution : 1440x900 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Mesa DRI Intel(R) 865G GEM 20091221 2009Q4 x86/MMX/SSE2
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation


Changed window managers and restarted x a couple of times, no problems.In general, everything is working.