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Lucid Puppy 5.1.1 Release - This is the official release
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pemasu


Joined: 08 Jul 2009
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Location: Finland

PostPosted: Sat 04 Sep 2010, 14:59    Post subject:  

Testing now stu90`s tunapie.pet and audacious. Works fine. Still wonder the big size of the tunapie.pet 17.5 Mb. Are all the dependencies really needed ? When I tested pulseaudio and stream2ip I had to install only one dependency and total install was much less than 17.5 Mb. I had already installed already a lot of libs and dependencies so I am not best person to evaluate.
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upnorth


Joined: 11 Jan 2010
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Location: Wisconsin UTC-6 (-5 DST)

PostPosted: Sat 04 Sep 2010, 16:14    Post subject: xchat
Subject description: xchat pet
 

here is a repacked xchat with min deps from the 10.04 repo - good to try out until there's an official ver.
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UPDATE: Dejan has compiled a new version, is much better. Get it here:

http://puppy.b0x.me/software/packages/internet/xchat-2.8.8-i486-lupu.pet
info:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=448249#448249

Thanks Dejan Smile
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file below is nls enabled, but you would need to install this file also, containing the locales .mo files 1048.9K for NLS support:

http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/all/xchat-common/download

But, don't be alarmed by the first run warning box - it's an upstream thing. Shocked
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Stripe

Joined: 23 Jun 2010
Posts: 658
Location: In a field. England

PostPosted: Sat 04 Sep 2010, 18:40    Post subject:  

Hi all

Just built a new box for somebody and I am trying it out, (card ASRock N68C-S UCC, amd x2 3000mhz dual core chip. nvidia C61[GeForce7025/nForce 630a] (rev a2) on board graphics/sound and 1gb ddr2 ram)

The graphics work perfectly (better than a graphics card) with the 173.14.25 driver, but gnome mplayer or Pmusic will not work properly with the sound, you can set the playlist at a reasonable volume but as soon as the next track starts the volume goes to max, have tried all the settings in alsamixer and no joy, installed vlc as the default sound/play/video player and no problems.

Any ideas?
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bigpup


Joined: 11 Oct 2009
Posts: 5086
Location: Charleston S.C. USA

PostPosted: Sat 04 Sep 2010, 18:48    Post subject:  

I read posts here about problems with video drivers and using xorgwizard and after running xorgwizard, they get black screen of death. That black screen of death is a indication, that whatever they did running xorgwizard, has it trying to use the wrong video driver and settings for their equipment.

Here is a guide to follow in running xorgwizard:

Source of drivers from forum
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/index.php?f=48&ppage=30&sort=lastpost&order=DESC


Be aware that you will need at lest 200MB free in your pupsave

If You Have Not Installed a Driver
Instructions:
*install new driver from PPM (Puppy Package Manager) or from other source.
*exit to a prompt, Menu/Start >> Shutdown >> Exit to Prompt in JWM, Menu/Start >> Logout >> Logout in Icewm
*type xorgwizard at the prompt
*select choose from the dialog
*type name of new driver in the entry box
*select your desired resolution in the next list view and then your desired color depth, I always recommend the "x24" option
*You can choose to test your settings (optional), and follow the prompts
*xorgwizard is now finished so then type xwin at the prompt.
*You can check if the new driver is being used several ways-
1. look in the xorg.conf file
2. Hardinfo hardware information program (display> open GL info)

IF YOU ARE USING A NVIDIA DRIVER
Nvidia X server settings program
If you cannot get the settings you want with xorgwizard
Try Nvidia X server settings program (should be listed in menu)
* In the section "X server display configuration" If you change the resolution settings
do not use the apply button but make sure you select save to X configuration file.
*Restart X to make sure the new settings are being used.


Having Video Driver Issues
(Try a different driver)
Be aware that you will need at lest 200MB free in your pupsave

If you have tried a new driver
Instructions:
*Uninstall whatever new driver you have now with Puppy Package manager.
*reboot, this is important, a full reboot flushes all traces of the old driver
*install new driver from PPM or from other source.
*exit to a prompt, Menu/Start >> Shutdown >> Exit to Prompt in JWM, Menu/Start >> Logout >> Logout in Icewm
*type xorgwizard at the prompt
*select choose from the dialog
*type name of new driver in the entry box
*select your desired resolution in the next list view and then your desired color depth, I always recommend the "x24" option
*You can choose to test your settings (optional), and follow the prompts
*xorgwizard is now finished so then type xwin at the prompt.
If something goes wrong try again without uninstalling the driver or try this method with a new driver, FIRST uninstalling whatever driver is installed.
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playdayz


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PostPosted: Sat 04 Sep 2010, 19:18    Post subject:  

Quote:
here is a repacked xchat with min deps from the 10.04 repo - good to try out until there's an official ver.

Hey upnorth, How about we just make yours the official version? I will upload to PPM later tonight. Thanks.

I have uploaded a new version of Bibletime today, plus Gnu_Backgammon prepared by tronkel, and xchat. You can always get a copy of the latest index to the puppy-lucid repo of PPM at LupuNews (Quickpet under News).
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playdayz


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PostPosted: Sat 04 Sep 2010, 19:32    Post subject:  

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playdayz, I believe the reason that Barry includes ayttm by default in official puppies is because it's supposed to be multiprotocol, not just IRC - and still lightweight but really most of protocols don't work with it anymore properly, many users connected to our freenode channel reported ayttm crashing when trying to add msn account or similar and it's interface isn't really user friendly either - so if you want IRC-only client by default in puppy any other would be better, Xchat or chatzilla as addon for mozilla browsers (full seamonkey suite actually compiles with chatzilla by default) or irssi/weechat (those too are cli/ncurses based though) I guess there are many others too (pidgin is multiprotocol but I understand that it's too heavy for default puppy iso), but any other would be better to have instead ayttm - I believe the same reason xchat was included in 4.2.x also.

Thank you dejan. Let us start considering the possible replacement which could be made in an Instant Update. Thanks.

Here is Instantbird--also too big - > http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/puppylinux/pet-packages-lucid/Instantbird-0.2-Lucid.pet

Well, xchat insulted me on its first screen. Pidgin does look good but it *is* big. Are there other possibilities? Does Ayttm work for anyone? is a default chat client necessary at all?
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Karl Godt


Joined: 20 Jun 2010
Posts: 3964
Location: Kiel,Germany

PostPosted: Sat 04 Sep 2010, 20:47    Post subject:  

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Does Ayttm work for anyone?

Ayttm runs more stable at 4.3.0/1
Ayttm 0.6.0-9
running 4.3 at the moment and using it at #puppylinux at the moment
starting 22:06 to join the chat and running
Ayttm0609 now more than 4 hours without a crash.

there are 7 ayttm at http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/puppylinux/pet_packages-4/

I installed further chatzilla and this firefoxextension works quite well. DL 5.3 MB
( I installed by firefox Tools > Add - ons > Search)

xchat is a little ugly but stable DL 330 KB
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jemimah


Joined: 26 Aug 2009
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Location: Tampa, FL

PostPosted: Sat 04 Sep 2010, 21:57    Post subject:  

playdayz wrote:


Well, xchat insulted me on its first screen. Pidgin does look good but it *is* big. Are there other possibilities? Does Ayttm work for anyone? is a default chat client necessary at all?


Pidgin isn't that big if you compile it right. You can remove a lot of the icons. I just compiled Pidgin for Puppeee and the pet is 2.8MB and it could be shrunk more if you do clever things with the sounds and icons.

Software that actually works is worth a little bit of size, IMO.
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Billtoo


Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Posts: 2079
Location: Ontario Canada

PostPosted: Sat 04 Sep 2010, 22:24    Post subject: Lucid Puppy 5.1.1 Release Candidate
Subject description: X-chat
 

playdayz wrote:

Well, xchat insulted me on its first screen. Pidgin does look good but it *is* big. Are there other possibilities? Does Ayttm work for anyone? is a default chat client necessary at all?


X-chat won't insult you if you run it as user spot.
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playdayz


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PostPosted: Sat 04 Sep 2010, 22:42    Post subject:  

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Software that actually works is worth a little bit of size, IMO.

I certainly agree.

Here is a version of Aytmm 0.6.1 that is built with Ubuntu binaries. Possibly it could run better than the one that is installed, if anyone could test.

http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/puppylinux/pet-packages-lucid/Ayttm-0.6.1-Lucid.pet

Quote:
X-chat won't insult you if you run it as user spot
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LOL
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smil99

Joined: 18 Aug 2007
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PostPosted: Sat 04 Sep 2010, 23:00    Post subject:  

Hi playdayz and 01micko,
These might be too late to tackle before lucid 511 is released but I think it is worth knowing them.
1. 'Choose Browser' sometimes picks up non-browser entries.
2. When one installs xfce package (thanks to 01micko), clicking the trash icon opens a trash folder alright but the contents are that of / !
3. I have never had automatic internet connection through Barry's SNS since lupu 505. So I always have to copy /usr/sbin/dhcpcd from lupu 505 for use in all recent lupus and this works like a charm.

As always, keep up the good work.

Cheers.
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Billtoo


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PostPosted: Sat 04 Sep 2010, 23:19    Post subject:  

playdayz wrote:


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X-chat won't insult you if you run it as user spot
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LOL


I'd guess X-chat didn't insult you for no reason, some channels will kick you if you try to join them as user root.
X-chat has some nice options in the settings as well like selecting different font styles and sizes,transparent background, etc,etc.
Is it more secure to start it in the terminal and run it as user spot? I'm no hacker so I couldn't tell you.
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dejan555


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Location: Montenegro

PostPosted: Sun 05 Sep 2010, 05:29    Post subject:  

You don't need to run as spot, you can also change username in xchat settings (username is not same as nickname) so server doesn't recognize you as root (it takes your system username by default). I'll try to compile Xchat on lupu today and see how big it is.
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Karl Godt


Joined: 20 Jun 2010
Posts: 3964
Location: Kiel,Germany

PostPosted: Sun 05 Sep 2010, 06:16    Post subject:  

Quote:
Aytmm 0.6.1

downloaded ; mv`ed the existing attym Ayttm 0.6.3-1 and ayttm_streamer_wrapper to /usr/bin/ORIG-BackUp ; clicked on the 0.6.1 pet ; it installed ; rxvt # ayttm -v Ayttm 0.6.1-0 is shown ; crashes while trying to connect .. saying newer version available 0.6.3 Question Very Happy Embarassed

"running as bastard root makes you mess your whole **** life"
typical insults nowerdays and many times really suck but this is the first time I got this on puppy . Rolling Eyes Confused Shocked Smile Sad Question
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chrismt


Joined: 21 Apr 2010
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PostPosted: Sun 05 Sep 2010, 09:31    Post subject:  

I was thinking about Grub2

Is it possible for it to work in Puppy?

GRUB2 can boot a USB in a computer that can't normally boot a USB drive.

http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/
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