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postfs1 · #16 Post by **postfs1** » Mon 06 Sep 2010, 17:41

To reedit up to date.

Keef · #17 Post by **Keef** » Tue 07 Sep 2010, 13:59

I've tried this, as although I tend to go for the more barebones approach, I like to have something on hand that has a shed load of software all ready to go.
No problems booting, first with a manual frugal install, and then from a DVD.
I like the idea of dark themes, but in practice I've never found one that really works for me. I definitely don't like the icons, especially the ones in the directories, which are far too garish, and not easy on the eye.
I've already changed the Rox background (for directories) back to white.
Menus: Quite a good job on these, but when you have a series of entries all beginning with the same word (eg "My.." "Create..." "View...") I think it reduces the readability.
I'm posting now from Legacy via a wireless connection. I knew it could be done as I ran 214R / 217/ MeanPup / 214X etc with the same USB dongle.
Meant adding something to rc.local and copying a file over from a working setup.
Opera seems unexpectedly slow in rendering pages.
Copying files (using Rox) has an issue - when it ask if you want to replace an exisiting file, clicking on Yes will not work unless you click somewhere else first. Very tedious if copying a directory for instance. Holding down 'Alt+Y' works, but is still a pain.
I find I'm using the Quick Launch menu a fair bit.
Devx: I have an sfs converted from the pet for 214X which got loaded automatically (I forgot it was there) and it seems to work ok, although I never do anything complicated.

Computer
Processor Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 1.30GHz
Memory 483MB (274MB used)
Display
Resolution 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer Mesa GLX Indirect
X11 Vendor (null)
Multimedia
Audio Adapter ICH - SiS SI7012

Network: Netgear WG111T USB (using ndiswrapper, WPA-PSK connection)

john biles · #18 Post by **john biles** » Tue 07 Sep 2010, 22:49

Hello Keef,
Excellent feedback! Something to think about for the next release.

I'm posting now from Legacy via a wireless connection. I knew it could be done as I ran 214R / 217/ MeanPup / 214X etc with the same USB dongle.
Meant adding something to rc.local and copying a file over from a working setup.

Can you post your your rc.local and any other hints for other users including make and model of your USB dongle. When I get enough extra info I'll create a guide crediting each user in the guide.

Moving or copying with ROX over the years and having to place it in the right spot, I guess I've just got use to it.
If I need to move a group of say photos from one directory I use Krusader. May be try that.

Again thank you for your informative reply

john biles · #19 Post by **john biles** » Fri 10 Sep 2010, 00:11

I am currently working on a "How to install to Hard Drive Guide" to make it as easy as is possible. IE: a no experience new user. Coming Soon.

sneekylinux · #20 Post by **sneekylinux** » Sat 11 Sep 2010, 20:28

just to say that i have just uploaded install video for legacy os,just pop over to youtube and visit my page...i also have another video in the line to be uploaded about problems too,but that will be a few days yet.

john biles · #21 Post by **john biles** » Sun 12 Sep 2010, 02:27

Hello sneekylinux,
You have created the Definitive Install Guide to Legacy OS, simply amazing!! I look forward to your next installment in helping improve the usability of Legacy OS for those requiring help.

Thank you for your support and enjoy thar beer you love so much.

Links to sneekylinux's wonderful video's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASZm1aHDh_k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQsOxW2i7RI

Colonel Panic · #22 Post by **Colonel Panic** » Mon 13 Sep 2010, 15:41

I've downloaded a copy and it works well (a stable XOrg, for a start) and has a great range of apps including two I haven't seen before; Kalzium (a periodic table app) and Concentration, a memory tiles game. I've made good use of both!

Just one small quibble; I preferred the look of Teenpup 2009, with its bright summery colours. Is it possible to have that as an option (a different theme, for example) in Legacy OS?

I saw a couple of spelling mistakes in the menus too, nothing serious but it may make a difference when Legacy gets a wider audience (which it deserves). I can't remember what they are but if you're interested I'll have a look when I get home.

Thanks for all your hard work,

CP .

john biles · #23 Post by **john biles** » Mon 13 Sep 2010, 23:49

Hello Colonel Panic,
I hate spelling mistakes and look over and over everything trying to make sure none get through. Please list the 2 you found Please!

As for the Dark Look theme and changing it. Some Users didn't like that I had made TEENpup 2009 Legacy Vista-ist looking and for other reasons I decided I wanted to give Legacy OS its own look. Many hours where spent experimenting with the KDE theme look until I got what I was happy with. Make an change to a color here also changed a color somewhere else I didn't want changed, drove me crazy. Once that was worked out had to change the GTK theme to match and that too had it quirks. some backgrounds and icons in different apps had to be changed as they suited a light environment. So changing Legacy OS look is more than just replacing the GTK theme in /usr/share/themes and the KDE theme in /opt/kde/share/apps/kdisplay/color-schemes/

With this in mind I don't give any options in the menu to change themes, I'm doing an Apple and only suppling just the default theme, Sorry!

Roger Hunter · #24 Post by **Roger Hunter** » Tue 14 Sep 2010, 23:00

Not a spelling error but I'm getting multiple duplicate menus on the popouts from the main menu.

Roger

john biles · #25 Post by **john biles** » Wed 15 Sep 2010, 01:41

Hello Roger Hunter,

I'm getting multiple duplicate menus on the popouts from the main menu.

Can you explain more and may be attach a image of the effect.
I've had no multiple menus in testing?

Roger Hunter · #26 Post by **Roger Hunter** » Wed 15 Sep 2010, 03:42

John;

When I click on a menu item it pops out a sub menu which should have 3 selections on it but instead has 6 lines, 2 sets of 3 choices.

Roger

john biles · #27 Post by **john biles** » Wed 15 Sep 2010, 03:55

Roger Hunter,
Your problem happens when Legacy OS is reading the menu from 2 locations. Just confirm you haven't copied the /usr/share/applications directory to anywhere else.
have you played with the menu in any way?

What happens when you reload the menu?
In menu navigate to Accessories > Misc > Reload Menu

Roger Hunter · #28 Post by **Roger Hunter** » Wed 15 Sep 2010, 04:18

John;

The only thing I've done with the menu is mount the disk and look at backgrounds.

Reload Menu fixed it.

The other problem is that logout --> reboot drops me to a text window with a # prompt and typing reboot is what is required to actually do it.

Roger

john biles · #29 Post by **john biles** » Wed 15 Sep 2010, 05:25

Hello Roger Hunter,

The other problem is that logout --> reboot drops me to a text window with a # prompt and typing reboot is what is required to actually do it.

I've got a 500Mhz Celeron PC and 1.6Ghz Pentium PC and both require I press the "OFF" button after they "Shutdown". Personally I can live with that hopefully you can too.

Sage · #30 Post by **Sage** » Wed 15 Sep 2010, 08:15

The 'no shut off' was a feature of many earlier versions, especially with SiS chipsets, many laptops and a few miscellaneous specimens. Dougal advised inserting ACPI=force into menu.lst and this was usually a sufficient workaround. It was a kernel issue according to BK and no longer occurs. We discussed it all many times, here.
On the other hand, I am finding many instances when johnbiles' LegacyOS dumps me at a prompt and have to type in 'poweroff'. This is a different feature. No idea what might be the cause but I bet there are plenty of gurus who do.

Colonel Panic · #31 Post by **Colonel Panic** » Wed 15 Sep 2010, 09:33

john biles wrote:Hello Colonel Panic,
I hate spelling mistakes and look over and over everything trying to make sure none get through. Please list the 2 you found Please!

As for the Dark Look theme and changing it. Some Users didn't like that I had made TEENpup 2009 Legacy Vista-ist looking and for other reasons I decided I wanted to give Legacy OS its own look. Many hours where spent experimenting with the KDE theme look until I got what I was happy with. Make an change to a color here also changed a color somewhere else I didn't want changed, drove me crazy. Once that was worked out had to change the GTK theme to match and that too had it quirks. some backgrounds and icons in different apps had to be changed as they suited a light environment. So changing Legacy OS look is more than just replacing the GTK theme in /usr/share/themes and the KDE theme in /opt/kde/share/apps/kdisplay/color-schemes/

With this in mind I don't give any options in the menu to change themes, I'm doing an Apple and only suppling just the default theme, Sorry!

No worries. I'll post those spelling / typing errors when I'm back on my own machine, they're not too serious anyway. Unfortunately I don't have broadband so can only get online from a public internet facility or from home at local call rates (i.e. very expensive, so I have to ration it).

CP .

Roger Hunter · #32 Post by **Roger Hunter** » Wed 15 Sep 2010, 13:01

John;

Reboot, not poweroff and yes, I could live with it but see no reason why I should.

Too many puppies around for that.

Roger

john biles · #33 Post by **john biles** » Wed 15 Sep 2010, 13:16

Hello Roger Hunter,

I could live with it but see no reason why I should.

reason's simple; it's free and I don't have a fix for you sorry!

Too many puppies around for that.

puppies are made by average user's who give large amounts of time FREE to create these for those who can use them. We do the best we can.

Roger Hunter · #34 Post by **Roger Hunter** » Wed 15 Sep 2010, 13:27

John;

No offense intended, sorry.

I was pointing out problems with Legacy as you wished.

Roger

john biles · #35 Post by **john biles** » Wed 15 Sep 2010, 13:33

Hello Roger Hunter,
None taken, just letting you know I'm just a lonely user like yourself

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