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Colonel Panic


Joined: 16 Sep 2006
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PostPosted: Wed 15 Sep 2010, 05:33    Post subject:  

john biles wrote:
Hello Colonel Panic,
I hate spelling mistakes and look over and over everything trying to make sure none get through. Please list the 2 you found Please!

As for the Dark Look theme and changing it. Some Users didn't like that I had made TEENpup 2009 Legacy Vista-ist looking and for other reasons I decided I wanted to give Legacy OS its own look. Many hours where spent experimenting with the KDE theme look until I got what I was happy with. Make an change to a color here also changed a color somewhere else I didn't want changed, drove me crazy. Once that was worked out had to change the GTK theme to match and that too had it quirks. some backgrounds and icons in different apps had to be changed as they suited a light environment. So changing Legacy OS look is more than just replacing the GTK theme in /usr/share/themes and the KDE theme in /opt/kde/share/apps/kdisplay/color-schemes/

With this in mind I don't give any options in the menu to change themes, I'm doing an Apple and only suppling just the default theme, Sorry!


No worries. I'll post those spelling / typing errors when I'm back on my own machine, they're not too serious anyway. Unfortunately I don't have broadband so can only get online from a public internet facility or from home at local call rates (i.e. very expensive, so I have to ration it).

CP .

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Roger Hunter

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PostPosted: Wed 15 Sep 2010, 09:01    Post subject:  

John;

Reboot, not poweroff and yes, I could live with it but see no reason why I should.

Too many puppies around for that.

Roger
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john biles


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PostPosted: Wed 15 Sep 2010, 09:16    Post subject:  

Hello Roger Hunter,

Quote:
I could live with it but see no reason why I should.


reason's simple; it's free and I don't have a fix for you sorry!

Quote:
Too many puppies around for that.


puppies are made by average user's who give large amounts of time FREE to create these for those who can use them. We do the best we can.

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Roger Hunter

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PostPosted: Wed 15 Sep 2010, 09:27    Post subject:  

John;

No offense intended, sorry.

I was pointing out problems with Legacy as you wished.

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john biles


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PostPosted: Wed 15 Sep 2010, 09:33    Post subject:  

Hello Roger Hunter,
None taken, just letting you know I'm just a lonely user like yourself Very Happy

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Colonel Panic


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PostPosted: Wed 15 Sep 2010, 14:05    Post subject:  

Colonel Panic wrote:
john biles wrote:
Hello Colonel Panic,
I hate spelling mistakes and look over and over everything trying to make sure none get through. Please list the 2 you found Please!

As for the Dark Look theme and changing it. Some Users didn't like that I had made TEENpup 2009 Legacy Vista-ist looking and for other reasons I decided I wanted to give Legacy OS its own look. Many hours where spent experimenting with the KDE theme look until I got what I was happy with. Make an change to a color here also changed a color somewhere else I didn't want changed, drove me crazy. Once that was worked out had to change the GTK theme to match and that too had it quirks. some backgrounds and icons in different apps had to be changed as they suited a light environment. So changing Legacy OS look is more than just replacing the GTK theme in /usr/share/themes and the KDE theme in /opt/kde/share/apps/kdisplay/color-schemes/

With this in mind I don't give any options in the menu to change themes, I'm doing an Apple and only suppling just the default theme, Sorry!


No worries. I'll post those spelling / typing errors when I'm back on my own machine, they're not too serious anyway. Unfortunately I don't have broadband so can only get online from a public internet facility or from home at local call rates (i.e. very expensive, so I have to ration it).

CP .

Here are the ones I found from the menu; in each case I've put the word I think is wrong on the left of the "arrow" (===>) and what I think it should be on the right. They aren't too bad.

Games - Puzzle Games - Grounghog ===> Groundhog

Printer Management - Maintenence ===> Maintenance

Graphic's & Photo's ===> Graphics and Photos (apostrophes not necessary or correct)

Photo Management - Photo's (several) ===> Photos (apostrophes not necessary or correct)

Personal - Contacts - Contact's ===> Contacts

Office - Misc - Chart's ===> Charts

Calculator - Numerial ===> Numerical

Best,

CP .

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john biles


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PostPosted: Wed 15 Sep 2010, 19:31    Post subject:  

Hello Colonel Panic,
Thank you for your list. We fix in next release or come up with a tar.gz users can unzip.

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Colonel Panic


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PostPosted: Fri 17 Sep 2010, 11:46    Post subject:  

john biles wrote:
Hello Colonel Panic,
Thank you for your list. We fix in next release or come up with a tar.gz users can unzip.


You're welcome. I've seen one more since that post, only a small one. There's a stray apostrophe just off the "Burning" menu (second submenu I believe);

CD's ===> CDs.

I can't get more exact at the moment because I'm not on that machine right now.

CP .

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aai

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PostPosted: Tue 05 Oct 2010, 02:06    Post subject: teenpup
Subject description: user experience feedback
 

I am very glad with this pupplet. Its working great.
there were standing two old pc with a pentium III processor and a AMD 3d processor, 64mb memory and about 500 mHz with Windows98SE.
Nobody used these pc and now I installed LegacyOS the kids are playing the games and doing there homework. The laptop is now for 100 percent for me. Great job
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cretsiah

Joined: 24 May 2008
Posts: 81

PostPosted: Mon 06 Dec 2010, 05:43    Post subject:  

slightly off topic:
sullysat wrote:
Pidgin is a great list, but its also a little cranky to install on puppy.

Sully


Although its been awhile since I've used puppy I usually found that when using pidgin it was always best to load the 2 components...

- pidgin
- pidgin-perl

for hassle free msn,irc,yahoo chatting, however times do change and as said it has been awhile.

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I don't know how much luck you will have as Legacy OS uses glibc 2.5 from Puppy 3.0 like ttuuxxx's 2.14x does. john biles


I wonder if we could use the devx file from ttuuxxx's 2.14x (if he put 1 together Smile ) so that those of us that wished to attempt insanity by compiling things for legacy os that we think we may want or might do for pure experimental purposes could do so.. just had a funny thought raflmao (or maybe it would be easier to temp/con ttuuxxx into doing something similar to what he did with FireFox 1.5 seriously modified, think he named it firepup?? cretsiah imagining ttuuxxx modifying a series 1 Open Office (ram requirement unsure but probably not more than 64meg) with Open Office 3 (128meg ram requirement) file format inclusions)

back on topic: legacy os:

as per this post : http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=474340#474340

SPECS: (i dont know all of them sorry)

brand: IBM A21M
Video card: 8 meg ATI 2x agp
CPU: Xeon/Celeron 800MHZ
RAM: 128 meg (pc-100 chips)(however only 127 megs register in bios load-out suggesting a 1meg cache or something)

Games were great except for the flight simulator which seemed to freeze things up if you crashed and was very small window using xorg, (will try again under xvesa to see if can increase window size of game).

Didnt get to test out internet connectivity 1) forgot where the network wizard was placed 2) kid was bugging me to look at the games LOL...

Ram: was @ 97% usage so i doubt a wifi usb dongle would have even worked (wasnt using a swap drive) based on memory capacity alone.also because of this didnt checkout the BG thing but I will after doing some partitioning.

Im not 1 for the kool dock, however I did love the sidebar option.

not sure if the pdf files (on desktop screen) were supposed to open pdf viewer if you clicked on them, they didnt for me. I did manage to open them from the pdf viewer in the menu though.

sound worked out of the box.

will attempt some more reviewing later in the week...
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john biles


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PostPosted: Mon 06 Dec 2010, 09:10    Post subject:  

Hello cretsiah,
ttuuxxx's 2.14x uses a lot of late libs and updated xorg I believe. Legacy OS just updates glibc like 2.14x I imagine a devx created for 2.14x most likely wouldn't be to successful with Legacy OS.

The Flight Simulator comes up small unless you use a lower screen reolution. I included it more as a novelty and haven't heard of it freezing the system before. Kpdf should just opened any PDF and I can only assume it had something to do with how much free ram you had at the time? Let me know if after you create some swap if Kpdf works correctly.

I'm redoing the sidebar for the next release with new icons and colors.

Thank you for your comments and I hope the kids enjoy the games. Very Happy

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manktelr

Joined: 10 Jan 2011
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PostPosted: Mon 10 Jan 2011, 14:00    Post subject:    

Mods if this is wrong thread for question at end please remove it.

I'm a complete Linux illiterate and I've found LegacyOS to be exactly what I was looking for. Now have installed on two machines.

first an old HP laptop, about 800Mhz, 256mb Ram,40g HD,Belkin wireless card. its good for light browsing and find Abiword and KPDF nice and easy to use, its made it actually usuable again.

2nd Dual booting desktop with Windows XP. 2.6ghz Celeron, 1024mb ram, 80g hd. Also runs well (until yesterday only had 256mb ram so was running Legacy all the time). Smile

My issue/suggestion and question is.
On the laptop in order to get wireless working I had to boot puppylinux (lucidpuppy) run BarryK's network setup, take down driver and then when using legacyos select that driver manually from list brought up by wizard as the legacyos wizard was not selecting working drivers I don't understand why the wizard for other builds of puppy is not included when it is easier for the beginner to use succesfully.

Also for an out of the box linux, it would nice if pdf's would open directly in opera.

For the desktop, yesterday installed Broadcom PCI wireless card, works in windows fine as expected, is detected in LegacyOs but does not function. ran lucid puppy,BarryK network setup, got card running, using Driver B43, ran LegacyOs found out B43 driver unavailable only B44 which does not function (card detected, but does not scan/connect to network)
Hoping somebody could show me how to install the B43 driver, from what I understand (which is little) LegacyOs differs from most puppy builds in terms of installing things and having them work.
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sandlynx

Joined: 22 Aug 2008
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PostPosted: Mon 10 Jan 2011, 16:10    Post subject: Legacy OS-printer question
Subject description: Live CD-printer doesn't work
 

I ran Legacy OS from the live CD. I'm impressed with what I see. Dial-up with GK worked just great--how simple! But, when I tried to install my printer HP 6122, I could get the "test-page" to print out, but I could not get anything to print from any app. I think this happened with a Puppy version 4.xxx or 5.0 but when I installed it on the harddrive, the printer worked just fine. I would like to install Legacy OS on this computer--if the printer is going to work after installation. (I love all Puppy versions! I have saved several "old" computers from going to the landfill.) Anybody have an answer for this? Question
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sandlynx

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PostPosted: Mon 10 Jan 2011, 16:26    Post subject: multiple menus--multiple listing of same item
Subject description: In CUPS setup, multiple lines of same item
 

Roger Hunter said:

Joined: 05 Jan 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 11:42 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
John;

"When I click on a menu item it pops out a sub menu which should have 3 selections on it but instead has 6 lines, 2 sets of 3 choices."

comment: I had a similar experience when installing my printer (or trying to). Note: Running from a live CD, not a HDD install. In the CUPS installation pages, when hunting for my printer's model number, I found duplicate entries for the printer, about four entries, I experimented until I found the one that produced a test page, but would not print from apps. This is not the same problem, but similar. I'm not a programmer, so I'm not sure if this is a related problem.
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john biles


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PostPosted: Tue 11 Jan 2011, 09:55    Post subject:  

Hello manktelr,
Legacy OS is based on Puppy 2.14 release early 2007 with a few mods to the main system files. It uses the Linux Kernel 2.6.18.1 which I believe isn't compatible with the broadcom B43 Wifi Driver. If someone on the forum thinks I'm wrong please provide a solution in getting more Current Wifi drivers in to Legacy OS and I'll gladly add them to the upcoming Legacy OS 2 release.

Hello sandlynx,
If you have followed the correct order in installing the Cups pup and pets packages and your printer is listed then Printing should work.
For Printers built before 2007 all you should need to install is the pup package v0.3 If your printer is newer installing the packages in this order should get your printer working.

1. gutenprint-5.2.5 pet
2. cups-1.3.9 pet
3. cups v0.3 pup

OK now you ask why is the same printer listed twice?

cups v0.3 pup uses I believe gutenprint 5.0.0 .pdd printer driver files and cups-1.3.9 uses gutenprint 5.2.5 .ppd printer driver files. So when you install all 3 packages the gutenprint 5.0.0 and 5.2.5 .ppd printer driver files all get mixed together. Just installing the gutenprint-5.2.5 pet and cups-1.3.9 pet packages won't work! Just remember that post 2007 Printer drivers are in gutenprint-5.2.5 and not in cups v0.3 . gutenprint-5.2.5 also has drivers from pre 2007 printers hence the double up of some printer driver files.

It also recommended to install Legacy OS to hard drive for regular printing.

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