Wary 0.7 mix-n-match feedback

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BarryK · #16 Post by **BarryK** » Sat 04 Sep 2010, 01:44

shinobar wrote:Hi, Barry,

Sorry i do not yet running the new Warry-007, but looking up the code in woof September 3, 2010.

Regarding the sfs version, the bootmanager has the code:
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SFSSTR='squashfs, version 3' #v423
[ $KERNELSUBVER -gt 28 ] && SFSSTR='squashfs, version 4' #v423
[ $KERNELSUBVER -eq 27 ] && [ $SUB_SUB_KERNELVER -gt 46 ] && SFSSTR='squashfs, version 4' #100607
Is it right for the kernel 2.6.28? or should be '-gt 27'?
[ $KERNELSUBVER -gt 27 ] && SFSSTR='squashfs, version 4'
[ $KERNELSUBVER -eq 27 ] && [ $SUB_SUB_KERNELVER -gt 46 ] && SFSSTR='squashfs, version 4'

The concept of 'mix-n-match' is nice idea for the developers i think.
If there is a chance that you or someone provides older kernel, next code may be useful in rc.sysinit.
The Puppy-431JP(Japanese edition) has such a code before '###PERSONAL BOOT SCRIPT###' because the 3 kernel version of Puppy-431JP were build up with the similar concept of 'mix-n-match'.
Of course the main sfs file was converted for the older kernel which uses sfs version 3.
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# correct mksquashfs/unsquashfs version
KERNELSUBVER=$KERNMAJ
#KERNELSUBVER=`echo -n "$KERNVER" | cut -f 3 -d '.' | cut -f 1 -d '-' | cut -f 1 -d '_'` #v423 100831
SUB_SUB_KERNELVER=`echo -n "$KERNVER" | cut -f 1 -d '-' | cut -f 4 -d '.'` #100607
SFSVER=3
[ $KERNELSUBVER -gt 27 ] &&  SFSVER=4
[ $KERNELSUBVER -eq 27 ] && [ $SUB_SUB_KERNELVER -gt 46 ] && SFSVER=4
for F in mksquashfs unsquashfs; do
  ln -sf /usr/sbin/$F$SFSVER /usr/sbin/$F
done
Hope to be something helpful.

shinobar,
My code is correct. Squashfs 4.0 was merged in the 2.6.29 kernel. However I backported 4.0 to the 2.6.27.47 kernel, and I intend to do so for any 2.6.27.x upgrades -- I think Iguleder has already done this. All other kernels prior to 2.6.29 have Squashfs 3.x.

BarryK · #17 Post by **BarryK** » Sat 04 Sep 2010, 01:49

Right now I'm recompiling the 2.6.30.5 kernel in Puppy 4.3.1. It is configured unchanged from before, as I want all prior 3rd-party modules to continue to work. The only change is that I have upgraded Aufs -- this is required to support features in latest Woof.

I will upload this kernel to the 'mix-n-match' directory on ibiblio.org when it is ready.

BarryK · #18 Post by **BarryK** » Sat 04 Sep 2010, 02:02

I would like to get some feedback on X in Puppy 4.3.1 compared with that in Wary. Did your video work properly in 4.3.1 but issues in Wary, or vice-versa?

The reason that I am asking this is that I compiled all the base packages for Wary using Xorg 7.3+, the "+" means the last releases of Xorg packages before they went up to Xorg 7.4. Approximately I am using the same Xorg packages as in Debian Lenny.

That includes the xorg-server 1.4.2. However, Puppy 4.3.1 uses the very first version of xorg-server that was released for Xorg 7.3: 1.3.0.0.

If the majority viewpoint is that video in 4.3.1 (and 4.2.x) is better, I am thinking that I will do a complete recompile in T2 with the original Xorg 7.3, same pkg versions as used in 4.3.1. Quite a lot of work in going through all that again, but if Wary's thing is falling back to rock-solid older packages then I will go back to whatever is the best, especially on older hardware. Heck, 4.3.1 works fine on all my recent netbooks.

Billtoo · #19 Post by **Billtoo** » Sat 04 Sep 2010, 02:33

I don't believe I've ever run 431 on this computer but here's how it went with wary 070:

I made an iso of the 2.6.30.5 kernal and burned it to a dvd.
Booted with pfix=ram
Did the setup wizards and rebooted to create a save file.
Put devx in mount home, chose resize save file and rebooted.
Downloaded nvidia pet from the forum and installed it.
Compiled a few apps (lxterminal now works properly)

# glxgears
42087 frames in 5.0 seconds = 8417.247 FPS
50277 frames in 5.0 seconds = 10055.248 FPS
50285 frames in 5.0 seconds = 10056.954 FPS
50261 frames in 5.0 seconds = 10052.061 FPS
50305 frames in 5.0 seconds = 10060.807 FPS
50313 frames in 5.0 seconds = 10062.402 FPS
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Computer
Processor 4x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
Memory 3374MB (163MB used)
Operating System Puppy Linux 0.07
User Name root (root)
Date/Time Fri 03 Sep 2010 09:21:04 PM EDT
Display
Resolution 1920x1080 pixels
OpenGL Renderer GeForce 8600 GT/PCI/SSE2
X11 Vendor The X.Org Foundation
Multimedia
Audio Adapter HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
Version
Kernel Linux 2.6.30.5 (i686)
Compiled #1 SMP Tue Sep 1 15:48:26 GMT-8 2009
C Library GNU C Library version 2.10.1 (stable)
Default C Compiler Unknown
Distribution Puppy Linux 0.07
OpenGL
Vendor NVIDIA Corporation
Renderer GeForce 8600 GT/PCI/SSE2
Version 3.2.0 NVIDIA 190.53
Direct Rendering Yes

edit: I've been running pmusic and it works good but if I go to run nexuiz at the same time pmusic is the only sound that I can hear.
I compiled moc (an mp3 player) and I can have that playing music and have nexuiz running at the same time and hear the music fine but can still hear the guns blazing away in nexuiz.

edit: We had a power failure earlier today and it lasted for a couple of hours so I went for a nap, the power must have come back on just before I got up because when I passed the computer room I saw that the computer had rebooted and 070 was doing a fsck on sdb1.A few minutes later it is finished and all is well.

edit: I added the newest opera browser and it's working well.I also added icewm.
I've added several radio and tv presets to pupradio/tv and it's working well except in puptv the voice is a little out of sync with the video.

edit:I downloaded the updated 2.6.30.5 kernel from ibiblio and burned another dvd,I am using my old savefile.The hardinfo report now shows:
Compiled #2 SMP Sat Sep 4 11:55:07 GMT-8 2010

JonT · #20 Post by **JonT** » Sat 04 Sep 2010, 04:08

Wary 2.6.27.47 version, frugal install on Dell Inspiron 1100, Intel 845 graphics, works perfectly with the i810 driver. The intel driver gives uncertain restarts of X (sometimes multiple xwins to start, sometimes with no text visible, as in Lucid 511rc). Xvesa refuses to even try, exits to prompt immediately. Wireless with ath5k driver is straightforward and stable. Will try the other versions over a few days.

Having this difficult graphics chipset, I am glad to see your mix-n-match experiment.

Seeing your recent post about older versions, I dug out my 411 CD and am using it now. I recalled that 411 has a link named i810_drv.so but not the file itself. Your blog provided the file. It had been saved on another partition. This time I knew how to install it from the command line after a failed xorgwizard probe with "intel". Old Home Days. [edit: that's 421 not 412.]

I coincidentally downloaded 412 Retro (kernel 2.6.21.7) earlier today to see if its drivers would solve the Lucid 511rc problem (no) but it, 412, also runs flawlessly with i810, not intel. IIRC, 431 gave me problems having to choose between an intolerably hyperactive touchpad or slower graphics. I will check out 431.

rjbrewer · #21 Post by **rjbrewer** » Sat 04 Sep 2010, 05:37

Inspiron 700m, intel855gm graphics.

With 4.3.1, eliminating the "intel_drv.so" solves previous video
color problems I had using Xorg.

It also solves the numerous Xorg problems I had in Fluppy and Luci.

Will try with Wary when I figure out this mix n' match stuff.

IIRC a Wary with the newest kernel worked good on my old
equipment.

Anything that is "back compatible" with 4.xx pets (like Fluppy is)
appeals to me.

shinobar · #22 Post by **shinobar** » Sat 04 Sep 2010, 06:29

BarryK wrote:[My code is correct. Squashfs 4.0 was merged in the 2.6.29 kernel. However I backported 4.0 to the 2.6.27.47 kernel, and I intend to do so for any 2.6.27.x upgrades -- I think Iguleder has already done this. All other kernels prior to 2.6.29 have Squashfs 3.x.

Thanks Barry for the detail explanation. I understand my worry is no need for the warry

shinobar · #23 Post by **shinobar** » Sat 04 Sep 2010, 06:32

Does anyone have the experience? with some NVIDIA graphics and one of those european keyboard layout:
azerty, de, be*, br*, dk, es, fi, fr, it, no, se, sv, pt, cz, hu, pl, ro, sk*, croat, slovene.

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 901#447901

piratesmack · #24 Post by **piratesmack** » Sat 04 Sep 2010, 07:00

Using with kernel 2.6.34.1 on my dell mini 10v netbook.

So far I've had X crash twice with the Intel driver, it happened after about an hour of use both times. I'm pretty sure I ran Puppy 4.3.1 on this same netbook with no problems.

I'll try switching to the i810 driver if it happens again.

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# lspci | grep VGA
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)

Lobster · #25 Post by **Lobster** » Sat 04 Sep 2010, 07:14

Choose your own kernel?
Sounds good to me

I started downloading the last of the available kernels
but thought I would be happier for someone else to compile all four and provide ready made ISO [Have your quiche and eat it]

Anyone up for that?

By the time some sort of suggested simpler menu system
is in place I would be happy to use Wary . . .

or even . . .

Potentially we could even offer a 64 bit enabled kernel and Fatdog compiled Wary programs?

Wary is also ideal as a Puppy 6 (p6) base
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy6

Puppy Linux
Penguins that fly

shinobar · #26 Post by **shinobar** » Sat 04 Sep 2010, 10:53

Lobster wrote:but thought I would be happier for someone else to compile all four and provide ready made ISO [Have your quiche and eat it]
Anyone up for that?

By the time some sort of suggested simpler menu system
is in place I would be happy to use Wary . . .

Do you mean something like this?
wary-070-qs-k2.6.34.1.iso
fe21aece726384f992d96dc83bbc3c5d wary-070-qs-k2.6.34.1.iso

See the README.htm on the CD.

P.S.
I would like to go directly to the desktop using vesa, but i fond my NVIDIA graphic card, GeForce 8800GT has a problem, unstable and freeze, with the vesa on wary-0.7.
It was no problem with the vesa in Puppy-4.3.1, or [url=thttp://shino.pos.to/party/bridge.cgi?puppy/pup4/QuickSet/]the Puppy-431JPqs3[/url].

Lobster · #27 Post by **Lobster** » Sat 04 Sep 2010, 12:05

Do you mean something like this?

Exactly so
Many thanks

chrismt · #28 Post by **chrismt** » Sat 04 Sep 2010, 12:31

I think I did it

I am typing this from Wary 0.7 with the latest Kernal

But how do you verify if I burned the right stuff?

And

I couldn't use Gparted Partition manager to format a drive to ext4

It gave me some error

GParted 0.6.0

Libparted 2.2
Create Primary Partition #1 (unformatted, 16.78 GiB) on /dev/sda 00:00:01 ( ERROR )

create empty partition 00:00:01 ( ERROR )
libparted messages ( INFO )

WARNING: the kernel failed to re-read the partition table on /dev/sda (Device or resource busy). As a result, it may not reflect all of your changes until after reboot.

rjbrewer · #29 Post by **rjbrewer** » Sat 04 Sep 2010, 15:55

Tried shinobar iso.

Both xorg and xvesa will boot from live cd with intel855gm graphics.
Restart x will cause a black screen freeze with xorg unless intel_drv.so
is removed.

Mplayer won't play any dvd menu selections.

ecube · #30 Post by **ecube** » Sat 04 Sep 2010, 19:39

Compaq Mini CQ10-101SO, Atom N270 1.6 GHz

On my notebook computer, wary-070 (2.6.34.1) often hangs at the MODALIAS loop of initrd.gz/init during boot.

qrky-120 and lupu-510 show the same behaviour but fluppy-003 doesn't.

I made a clumsy workaround consisting of adding a delay to the loop.

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MODALIASES="`cat /sys/bus/pci/devices/*/modalias`" .
for ONEMODALIAS in $MODALIASES
do                            
  sleep 1
  modprobe -v $ONEMODALIAS #-v means verbose.
   [ $? -eq 0 ] && echo -n "." > /dev/console
  done

shinobar · #31 Post by **shinobar** » Sat 04 Sep 2010, 22:37

shinobar wrote:P.S.
I would like to go directly to the desktop using vesa, but i fond my NVIDIA graphic card, GeForce 8800GT has a problem, unstable and freeze, with the vesa on wary-0.7.
It was no problem with the vesa in Puppy-4.3.1, or [url=thttp://shino.pos.to/party/bridge.cgi?puppy/pup4/QuickSet/]the Puppy-431JPqs3[/url].

Was not exact. The vesa in Puppy-4.3.1 do not freeze but do not work correctly with my GeForce 8800GT. It works at the first run, but once Xorg run and switched to Xvesa, it shows wrong size and wrong positioned desktop.
The difference in wary, the Xvasa freezes from the first run whereas in Puppy-431 it works at the first run.

I tried on Wary-070, replace /usr/X11R7/bin/Xvesa with /usr/bin/Xvesa in Puppy-431. No difference with the behavior, unstable and freeze.

Guess some NVIDIA specific.

BarryK · #32 Post by **BarryK** » Sat 04 Sep 2010, 22:50

Rerwin has sent me a pm that implementation of the -7.5 pet that he had earlier pm'ed me was a step to far. It may break some modem connections.

Rerwin has advised me what needs to be rolled back and I have created a pet. I'm not sure, you might have to reboot after installing it. Attached.

Hesse James · #33 Post by **Hesse James** » Sun 05 Sep 2010, 09:03

Hi
By the way...
To make life easier I used the following measure for a frugal installation on my WindowsXP machine without the necessity to build the ISO (Windows-users friendly). I used the NTloader in combination with grub4dos to boot Wary0.7

I downloaded the Wary's SFS-files, the vmlinuz and the initrd.gz files and put them into a new folder (here "boot"). This new folder has to be in the root directory of the first Harddisk, first Partition (C: of WindowsXP).

Then I added the following command as a separate line at the end of my boot.ini file (sometimes hidden, read-only) which can be found in the root directory of drive C:

C:\GRLDR="Wary 0.7"

I put the file GRLDR from the grub4dos.zip (version 0.4.4) in the root directory of the first harddisk, first partiton and copied the attached unzipped menu.lst into the root directory too.

Reboot should give you the opportunity to select between Windows OS or Wary 0.7. This is for WindowsXP only. The NTLDR of Vista and Win7 behave differently.
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http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/images/icons/icon4.gif
! But be careful !: Changing the settings of the NT Loader is mainly for experienced Windows users only and in case of a mistake this might make your system inoperable ! This description is without warranties !

neurino · #34 Post by **neurino** » Sun 05 Sep 2010, 11:32

Sorry if I bother... no advice on this topic?

Any tip is welcome, thank you.

Billtoo · #35 Post by **Billtoo** » Mon 06 Sep 2010, 01:48

I used the 2.6.30.5 dvd that I made earlier and used an external dvd
drive to boot it with pfix=ram on my Acer Revo Nettop Computer.
I chose probe but that didn't work so rebooted and chose vesa at
800x600 resolution.
The wireless keyboard and mouse were detected and it also was
connected the internet on eth0.
I used the universal installer to install 070 to an 8 gb usb flash
drive.
I installed the nvidia pet that I used on my desktop install and
exited to the prompt and ran xorgwizard.
# glxgears
9491 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1897.671 FPS
9554 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1910.656 FPS
10160 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2031.935 FPS
10209 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2041.795 FPS
10150 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2029.949 FPS
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Computer
Processor 4x Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU 330 @ 1.60GHz
Memory 1813MB (102MB used)
Operating System Puppy Linux 0.07
User Name root (root)
Date/Time Sun 05 Sep 2010 09:29:14 PM EDT
Display
Resolution 1440x900 pixels
OpenGL Renderer ION/PCI/SSE2
X11 Vendor The X.Org Foundation
Multimedia
Audio Adapter HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
Audio Adapter PC-Speaker - pcsp
Input Devices
Chicony 2.4G Multimedia Wireless Kit
Chicony 2.4G Multimedia Wireless Kit
Power Button
Power Button
PC Speaker
HDA Digital PCBeep
Version
Kernel Linux 2.6.30.5 (i686)
Compiled #2 SMP Sat Sep 4 11:55:07 GMT-8 2010
C Library GNU C Library version 2.10.1 (stable)
Default C Compiler GNU C Compiler version 4.3.4 (GCC)
Distribution Puppy Linux 0.07
OpenGL
Vendor NVIDIA Corporation
Renderer ION/PCI/SSE2
Version 3.2.0 NVIDIA 190.53
Direct Rendering Yes

The install of 070 with this kernel is working very well on Core 2 Quad desktop and I'll try it out on this nettop now.

edit: It's working great, I compiled a bunch of apps,downloaded newest opera browser,switched to icewm, added nexuiz,openarena,and sauerbraten games.

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