Puppy Squeeze 009 Development

[Bert]

Work on 12/24 hour clock has been done already

Yes, thanks Béèm,
I'm aware of that package. Problem is it doesn't work for me. Downloaded and tried it two or three times.

Are you saying that ChangeClockType thing works for you, on Squeeze or Lucid?

Apart from that I find it offers limited choice.

[Béèm]

Work on 12/24 hour clock has been done already

Yes, thanks Béèm,
I'm aware of that package. Problem is it doesn't work for me. Downloaded and tried it two or three times.

Are you saying that ChangeClockType thing works for you, on Squeeze or Lucid?

Apart from that I find it offers limited choice.

I didn't try it in squeeze nor lucid. I think I tried in some 4.XX one.
For me it offered what I wanted, change from 12 hour to 24 hour.

EDIT
Just downloaded it.
In squeeze 009 clocktype did work.

However taskbar doesn't seem to work.

[Karl Godt]

Until someone makes a nice and simple GUI for changing the jwm clock format, would something like this be useful ?

Thanks for this. Appreciate it very much !

jwm -restart works fine to show it of !

btw : even detected that if xload doesn't show anything (luci-218 atm) jwm -restart helps it ,too !


Got xosview compiled at dpup-008 after installing one or more additional header files from the debian repos.

Tryed to run make on 2.6.35.7 kernel from kernel.org at lighthouse-pup443 :: 67mb .tar.gz and took "hours" to extract. After compiling with the make menuconfig defaults I got a 13mb vmlinux that didn't want to boot for wrong "magic". And got me a loop for clock skew detected .... first I thought it would be the cpu-clock but after changing the date from 2001 to 2010 it started to compile further

[Iguleder]

Compiling 2.6.32.24, this time with some stuff removed (like support for some exotic file systems) and other stuff added (power saving support for High Definition Audio and AC97, some extra drivers). Should be smaller and faster.

Once I get this one ready, I'll add some goodies like the clock format thing to 010 ... I'm still waiting for Barry to upload the next Woof so I can start the serious work. 010 won't come soon ... Barry is busy with other things and I'm busy with personal life and other projects.

Anyway, until 010, I'm working on many improvements as you guys do ... just need to stuff them in dpup-010.iso and we're done

[DaveS]

Odd this. I installed the Ubuntu font. Set it in GTK Theme chooser. Apps use it where specified but GTK compliant stuff like Rox continues to use sans.
It does not 'take'. Ok in all other Puppies.

[Karl Godt]

Finally got the Xosview compiled at dpup-005 :

Last thing had been the missing temperature value that had been shown as a bar but
const char *res = _xos->getResourceOrUseDefault(s, NULL);
had been showing only "0" as cipher.
After hacking at the lmstemp.cc with lots of errs I finally decided to comment // all my hacks and set the default values in again and suddenly the temperature shows off!
I guess It must have been an additional newline that also helped at grub2 or setting the beginning of a line more to the right ...
My programming knowledge is far too little to add a /1000 to the temperature somewhere

[Bert]

Dunno if this has been posted already: today I installed Playdayz's LXDE-light and it seems to run marvelously in squeeze 009.

No signs of slow-downs, but then again this is a modern ( but modest ) Atom computer.
Has anyone else tried the Playdayz-LXDE ? Any experiences/conclusions to share?

[upnorth]

in version 10 beta

>mplayer libcdio.so.12 missing
cured with:
ln -s libcdio.so.10 libcdio.so.12 in /usr/lib directory

EDIT: You can skip this step:
==================
Also, after installing this
http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libmms0
==================

EDIT: this step is still valid.

when an mms:// uri is clicked on in firefox and seamonkey, the specified external media player opens and plays ( firefox and vlc; seamonkey and gnome-mplayer).
This is where there is only a link to an mms stream and there is no code in the link to launch a plugin.

But, need to set this once so it prompts for an app the first time:.
type about:config in url box
right click in page and select "new>Boolean"
type in box: network.protocol-handler.expose.mms
give it the value of false
Then when you click on an mms link in a web page, you will be prompted to select an app the 1st time. I chose /usr/bin/gnome-mplayer
The link then opened and played.
I confirmed this with a pfix=ram boot with seamonkey and the symlink above added.
I used the squidtv.net site to find link to test.

[Iguleder]

Bert: while we wait for Barry to upload Woof so we can continue rushing towards a final release we can work on the desktop.

I wanted to do some Openbox experiment and use some panel, lxpanel or fbpanel ... what do you think?

We could have two releases, one "conservative" release with JWM and 2.6.32.24 and a more cutting-edge one with 2.6.35.7 and a minimal LXDE.

[Iguleder]

Here are some goodies:
- New, smaller Xpad with a transparent PNG icon so we don't have that annoying white background
- Osmo, patched for horizonal interface, working sound, defaultbrowser, defaultemail and a version number fix.
- DeaDBeeF, this time with audio CD and stream support, no help menu and no annoying "about" entry in the tray icon right-click menu.

[yarddog]

Here are some goodies:
.
- DeaDBeeF, this time with audio CD and stream support, no help menu and no annoying "about" entry in the tray icon right-click menu.

just downloaded new version and really like it. Previous versions would only play my mp3 cd's. New version now plays my regular cd's. This is a very nice improvement.
Keep up the good work

yarddog

[peebee]

One of my "New Puppy" tests is to see if digital TV DVB-T works:

wary090 - mplayer does not seem to support DVB-T which is a shame? unless I've missed something

luci232 - DVB-T works just great

dpup010 - same mplayer as luci232 but it just flashes the window a lot and then dies.

Cheers
Peter

[Iguleder]

It's the same GNOME-MPlayer, but not the same Mplayer.

I tried to compile Mplayer on 009 and failed hard. We can use Debian's, but it has two disadvantages - codec support isn't ideal (because many multimedia libraries aren't free) and it pulls in lots of libraries, maybe even the entire PulseAudio.

EDIT: JWM sucks with fullscreen, as you know. I want to do an Openbox+lxpanel experiment, I had this in mind since the very first Squeeze.

At the moment I'm working on improvements to Pdebthing - I'm making a Trinity SFS, this time it's stripped to the max, it's the base of the base of the base of Trinity. Let's hope it works better than my previous attempt.

EDIT 2: here's a new Geany, three times smaller. I also tried to hack DeaDBeeF 0.4.2 and it died. I also noticed it's much bigger than 0.4.1 with the same choice of plugins, so I guess we should stick with 0.4.1 - it works well, so why upgrade?

[scsijon]

Just did a clean install without any problems on my test box1 that seems to cause puppy problems.

Only comment is that I !don't like having a calculator icon for a spreadsheet, a mesh symbol would be better.

Very well done team.

Now to do some apps testing

[Iguleder]

In my workplace, when someone sits and does nothing the boss yells at him or her and says "there's always something to do".

So ... now we're waiting for Barry to upload a new Woof so I can (finally) work on 010 (not much work, got most of the stuff ready, just need to catch bugs and get numlockx).

As you can see I also (try to) contribute to 5.2, so if you have the skills, the time and the willingness, you should do that too. It's kinda bad that Squeeze steals views from 5.2, so let's help playdayz and 01micko while we're idle

I also have 2 cool ideas for 010, I just wait for Woof to see if I can make them reality

[Iguleder]

Here's an experimental desktop for 010: Openbox as the window manager (no desktop menu), fbpanel as the panel and Obconf to configure Openbox.

Very lightweight, fbpanel is lighter than lxpanel and Openbox doesn't have all the session-management-related stuff, so it's extra lightweight. See the package size

The menus are messed up, I'll ask playdayz how he got around this problem.

Needs testing

[upnorth]

ob/fbpanel works fine so far.
obconf needed these on a clean install
libxcb-aux.so.0
libxcb-event.so.1
libxcb-atom.so.1


installed your volumeicon from here:
http://brainwavedesigncentral.net/dima/ ... -0.2.1.pet
looks good in the translucent/transparent fbpanel

selecting "reboot" from menu may cause a hard reset, i edited:
in .config/fbpanel/default:
item {
name = Reboot
image = /usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps/shutdown24.png
action = wmreboot
}

[Bert]

Nice!

In the LXDE-light thread I wrote:

You are right disciple.

This is the difference I get, Dpup running with no apps open, except system info:

JWM : 73 MB
LXDE-light: 96 MB

This is what I get with your openbox-fbpanel combo:
( was 89 MB without the screenshot utility running)
Thanks!

[Iguleder]

Uploaded a Trinity base SFS, here. The SFS contains kdelibs-trinity, kdebase-trinity and xdg menu stuff Puppy lacks.

There's also a SFS with libs and a third SFS with /etc/profile.local, some stuff that must run before X starts to make sure the shell finds Trinity plus some variables Trinity needs.

If you want to try it, use a clean save because it might ruin your installation. So far there's one issue, the media manager won't start and I don't know why. I want to use hal and dbus from Debian in 010 to see if they're the reason for this problem.

Oh, and another issue - for some reason if you use just the base Trinity (kdebase-trinity) there are sounds for pretty much all events of kwin. However, if you use the full desktop (forgot the package name, I built a SFS from it too), it also comes with some default settings and those annoying sounds are gone.

Bert: so you say we should stick with JWM?

[Bert]

Bert: so you say we should stick with JWM?

No, no, just reporting my findings.
The added RAM usage is not that big, at least on a more or less recent machine it will hardly weigh.
It seems you and Playdayz found good reasons to switch from JWM to something else, as an experiment at least.
Again, I was just reporting. Luckily I lack all qualifications to judge and propose decisions