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glenco

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PostPosted: Thu 23 Dec 2010, 21:37    Post subject:  

smokey01

Thanks for the delta. A 37Mb file should only take about 2.5 > 3 hours coming from your site. I have been having a real bad time with large downloads from ibiblio.org and the mirrors. I get about 25Mb into a 130 Mb file and the download stops saying it’s complete Sad
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Merry Christmas
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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Fri 24 Dec 2010, 10:09    Post subject:  

hmm from the input I only have 3 bugs, grub4dos, cups ,help browser.
wow, I guess since everything just works, I'll update 3 apps, and make a final. lol come on guys we need more testing.
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NinerSevenTango

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PostPosted: Fri 24 Dec 2010, 11:51    Post subject: Some noob questions.  

@ttuuxxx,

I'll download and test today. It's the least I can do to in return for all the work you put in for the rest of us. I want to thank you for all the hard work you put into all these packages. Please don't give up on helping with the 'other' version. We all need your input, even if it seems at first to be a thankless task. I am aware of how much time it takes to do these things and I want you to know that I value these contributions, knowing full well the cost.

I have some noob questions before I install this version;

Is there a write-up somewhere that explains the use of the new grub4dos completely? And what actions the installer takes? (I do full installs. I always have to go back and fix grub because the default actions never fit my systems, which all consist of one or more windows partitions and several linux installs. And grub is always already installed. I'd be happy if I could just paste the proper command line into my existing menu.lst.) I'll test with pfix=ram until I see your response to this.

Does this release use PPM? How can I find or tell which applications are compatible?

I have a neighbor lady who is without internet access, I gave her a computer, she uses it to play games on. I'd like to install puppy with a bunch of games on it for her. Is there a way for me to burn the apps on a dvd and install them off that?

Thanks again for all the work you contribute to our favorite distro. Sorry for the noobiness of my questions. I only have limited time available to try to keep up, and I get in trouble with pets scattered all over the forum sometimes.

Merry Christmas to you. Maybe we will call you Santa Claus.

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glenco

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PostPosted: Fri 24 Dec 2010, 15:17    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx
The Good, The Bad and The Odd
Odd: I was very surprised that my ttySLO modem was found on the first boot from the live CD. This modem usually requires a second boot to be picked up on. At least that was the way rerwin configured it for some winmodems. It did take a second boot after I did a full hd install for the modem to be found. Either way it works Smile
Good: My ps2 mouse is found and working upon bootup without having to unplug it and plug it in again. Can't say the same for quirk,wary and lupu.
Bad: Grub in the System Menu is a no go. "Grub Bootloader Config" responds with "I can't find grub on the system"

The Universal installer stops after a full HD install. The windows that pops up and says press OK to continue to install grub does nothing.
Installing Grub4dos from the System menu is not a very good option in all cases. Leave my MBR ALONE!!!
Old Grub really needs to be working so grub can be installed to the root "superblock" of a linux partition not just destroy a windows MBR like grub4dos whats to do.

Just for a note: Wingrub/grub4dos is often seen as a rootkit by many high end utilities in windows.

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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Fri 24 Dec 2010, 17:04    Post subject:  

Hi guys maybe you missed a couple post it looks like grub4dos needs packaging, I'll work on it in a couple of hours and post a package. Barry added grub4dos to the woof system for all puppies but he didn't make a package for 4 series, So I used 5 series grub4dos but it looks like its not compatible for 4 series.
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James C


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PostPosted: Fri 24 Dec 2010, 17:17    Post subject:  

I've been running this steadily on my main box since you released it. Frugal install.
Haven't tried every app, but haven't really noticed any real problems besides what you noted.Looks pretty darn solid.

Doing a full install on another old test box at the moment....got to have a working Grub. Smile The "real" legacy Grub...... Laughing
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James C


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PostPosted: Fri 24 Dec 2010, 17:38    Post subject:  

Did a test full install on an old test box that had 2 XP installs.

Gparted worked fine to delete 1 NTFS partition and create 1 Ext3 and a swap partition.

The installer copied the necessary files but exited abruptly at the point it should have displayed the new grub text.

Grub config.......no go ....."can't find Grub on the system".

Grub4dos worked and boots xp and 432 but is no substitute for legacy Grub, tested both and still prefer Grub.
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James C


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PostPosted: Fri 24 Dec 2010, 17:48    Post subject:  

Just in case anyone is interested, here's the menu.lst....unedited.


# menu.lst produced by grub4dosconfig-v
color white/blue black/cyan white/black cyan/black
timeout 10
default 0

# Full installed Linux

title puppy 432 (sda6/boot)
uuid 842b673e-7b2e-4ce4-9c0e-5936bb79a74c
kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda6 ro

# Windows
# this entry searches Windows on the HDD and boot it up
title Windows\nBoot up Windows if installed
errorcheck off
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /bootmgr
chainloader /bootmgr
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /ntldr
chainloader /ntldr
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /io.sys
chainloader /io.sys
errorcheck on

# additionals

title Find Grub2\nBoot up grub2 if installed
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /boot/grub/core.img
kernel /boot/grub/core.img

title Grub4Dos commandline\n(for experts only)
commandline

title Reboot computer
reboot

title Halt computer
halt
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NinerSevenTango

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PostPosted: Fri 24 Dec 2010, 18:16    Post subject: Test Report  

pfix=ram

Booted OK on Toshiba S300 EZ1511 laptop.

Found atheros wireless OK.

Sound was muted, fixed with alsamixer which showed speaker at zero.

Seamonkey is nice, works good, got flash, youtube works.

Unable to find driver for the Intel 4500 M graphics. Did a bunch of searching and found a pet, installed it, and was finally able to get native resolution. Here's the pet:

http://puppyisos.org/isos/2009-01-to-06/Newyearspup02/tests/xorg-1.6.3-upgrade-vesa-ati-intel-mesa/xorg-1.6.3-upgrade-vesa-intel-2.8.1-mesa-7.5.1-02.pet

glxgears: command not found

glxgears: sorry, no matching package name

Puppy package manager crashed while typing this message. Switching back and forth, when I clicked "OK" on the not found dialog box, it quit the application.

I will make a save file on a thumb drive for future testing. Not gonna try a full install until I can find out what string the OS wants in my original menu.lst. Like I said in my earlier post I'm done fixing MBR, hunting down my saved menu.lst and fixing it all by hand anyway. There's enough time between attempts that I forget half the stuff and have to read up on it all over again each time (guess I'm getting old?). I'd rather just put what it needs in there in the first place from now on.

Tried gnumeric on a few largish spreadsheets, no problems.

What else shall I test?

Update: I went ahead and installed to a thumb drive, all settings retained. Nice.

Update 2 : Can't get right-side scrolling to work on my alps touchpad, even after copying the relevant settings into xorg.conf from my hard-won quirky installation. Damn irritating. Double checking .....

Update 3: OK, spent a few hours fiddling with xorg.conf. Nothing I can do will get the synaptics section to be read. Can't turn tapping off, can't turn edge scrolling on. All the instructions I have must be for a newer or older xorg or synaptics version. Following my own instructions at http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=61624 gets me nothing.

cat /dev/psaux shows activity when the mouse is moved.

I'm totally stuck. I've launched half a dozen apps accidentally so far. Damned tapping.

Back to Quirky until I can get a clue on this.

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glenco

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PostPosted: Fri 24 Dec 2010, 21:08    Post subject:  

James C


Code:
Just in case anyone is interested, here's the menu.lst....unedited.


What a mess of a menu.lst. I would hate to see what grub4dos would create if you had two windows version (XP,W2K)on the same HD and lets say 3 other distro's beside and Puppy of course Smile
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glenco

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PostPosted: Fri 24 Dec 2010, 22:28    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx
Not trying to hose up your holidays here but abiword is very erratic.
In the middle of typing into a document the cursor will suddenly jump to another part of the document. This is not just a 432 problem, it also happens in other recent Pups. Also copy and paste out of abiword sometimes create small blank windows in the desktop or the app you are pasting into.
Otherwise 432-002 is as solid as rock hound.
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PostPosted: Fri 24 Dec 2010, 22:51    Post subject:  

here's a grub4dos that I compiled, I used the latest puppy release as a template and replaced the bins, strange it had a bin called wee.mbr and I couldn't find just that one in my compiled version. anyways Please test.
Thanks
ttuuxxx
grub4dos-0.4.4.v1.6.2-i386.pet
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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Fri 24 Dec 2010, 22:51    Post subject:  

glenco wrote:
ttuuxxx
Not trying to hose up your holidays here but abiword is very erratic.
In the middle of typing into a document the cursor will suddenly jump to another part of the document. This is not just a 432 problem, it also happens in other recent Pups. Also copy and paste out of abiword sometimes create small blank windows in the desktop or the app you are pasting into.
Otherwise 432-002 is as solid as rock hound.

OHHHHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO not abiword again, lol no problem will work on it Smile
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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Sat 25 Dec 2010, 01:07    Post subject:  

glenco wrote:
ttuuxxx
Not trying to hose up your holidays here but abiword is very erratic.
In the middle of typing into a document the cursor will suddenly jump to another part of the document. This is not just a 432 problem, it also happens in other recent Pups. Also copy and paste out of abiword sometimes create small blank windows in the desktop or the app you are pasting into.
Otherwise 432-002 is as solid as rock hound.

Ok I've been trying to reproduce what you said about abiword jumping and copy and paste out of abiword, and well nothing, It doesn't do either on my pc's. It works just fine. does anyone else have a abiword issues like above?
glenco are you sure your not using a pupsave? did you bootup with puppy pfix=ram ???
ttuuxxx

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PostPosted: Sat 25 Dec 2010, 01:30    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
glenco wrote:
ttuuxxx
Not trying to hose up your holidays here but abiword is very erratic.
In the middle of typing into a document the cursor will suddenly jump to another part of the document. This is not just a 432 problem, it also happens in other recent Pups. Also copy and paste out of abiword sometimes create small blank windows in the desktop or the app you are pasting into.
Otherwise 432-002 is as solid as rock hound.

Ok I've been trying to reproduce what you said about abiword jumping and copy and paste out of abiword, and well nothing, It doesn't do either on my pc's. It works just fine. does anyone else have a abiword issues like above?
glenco are you sure your not using a pupsave? did you bootup with puppy pfix=ram ???
ttuuxxx


I don't think it has anything to do with abiword. Happens all the time with Lucid, also. I think it might have to do with the writing point suddnely jumping to where the pointer is.
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