4.3.2-SCSI 2.6.30.5 full older modem support

[tlchost]

Hmmm I just rebooted fresh and Xvesa worked, I wonder why it wouldn't work earlier, maybe it was loading a pupsave, well That's a good thing, too bad I just spent 2 hr compiling Xserver grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
ttuuxxx

Perhaps I should not be testing....here's what happens

xorg probe gives various choices....picking 12?? by 10?? gives me 16?? by ?? But then, I can use xvesa to chose something that works.

Seamonkey works once with shoutcast.com....subsequent tries result in no audio.

Will not shut down...

With that many problems, I didn't go any further

Thom

[ttuuxxx]

Hmmm I just rebooted fresh and Xvesa worked, I wonder why it wouldn't work earlier, maybe it was loading a pupsave, well That's a good thing, too bad I just spent 2 hr compiling Xserver grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
ttuuxxx

Perhaps I should not be testing....here's what happens

xorg probe gives various choices....picking 12?? by 10?? gives me 16?? by ?? But then, I can use xvesa to chose something that works.

Seamonkey works once with shoutcast.com....subsequent tries result in no audio.

Will not shut down...

With that many problems, I didn't go any further

Thom

The only thing that I find broken now is the audio, my pc shutdown fine with xorg and Xvesa, plus the choosing the resolution works fine on my pc also, which is the normal xorg driver you use? That could be the issue for both things shutdown and display. If I knew which driver regular puppies work for you, I could compile it.
I'll work on alsa for now
ttuuxxx

[Stripe]

Hi all

clean frugal install, no problem apart from the xvesa one that has been mentioned. I am getting top quality video and sound

Downloaded htop-0.8.1-i486-uj with ppm from the puppy 5 official list.
(did the same to 431 to make some comparisons)

432 will recognise and use a twin core chip, 431 just recognises it and uses it as a single chip.

Just got a few numbers to see how heavier 432 is on resources

using the free comand in terminal (memory used)

Action 431 432 change % rise
at rest 301168 325188 = 24020 = 7.9%
playing 8.7mb mp4 345308 379924 = 34616 = 10.0%
playing 103mb HDmp4 406172 450467 = 44295 = 10.9%

using Htop (mem)

Action 431 432 change % rise
at rest 35 44 = 9 = 25%
playing 8.7mb mp4 63 81 = 18 = 28%
playing 103mb HDmp4 76 94 = 18 = 23%

Edited to say: sorry about the figures it was a table when It was submited honest.

I am just trying to get an idea of the differences in changing the kernel.

More importantly how does 432 perform on older hardware that was happily using 431 (apart from the bugs)

Hope this helps
Stripe

[James C]

Just finished downloading and burning 4.5.2-scsi (2.6.30.5).........be doing some testing in a few....

[James C]

Hi all

clean frugal install, no problem apart from the xvesa one that has been mentioned. I am getting top quality video and sound

Downloaded htop-0.8.1-i486-uj with ppm from the puppy 5 official list.
(did the same to 431 to make some comparisons)

432 will recognise and use a twin core chip, 431 just recognises it and uses it as a single chip.

Just got a few numbers to see how heavier 432 is on resources

using the free comand in terminal (memory used)

Action 431 432 change % rise
at rest 301168 325188 = 24020 = 7.9%
playing 8.7mb mp4 345308 379924 = 34616 = 10.0%
playing 103mb HDmp4 406172 450467 = 44295 = 10.9%

using Htop (mem)

Action 431 432 change % rise
at rest 35 44 = 9 = 25%
playing 8.7mb mp4 63 81 = 18 = 28%
playing 103mb HDmp4 76 94 = 18 = 23%

Edited to say: sorry about the figures it was a table when It was submited honest.

I am just trying to get an idea of the differences in changing the kernel.

More importantly how does 432 perform on older hardware that was happily using 431 (apart from the bugs)

Hope this helps
Stripe

I'm not sure which version of 4.31 you're using for the comparison(4.30/4.31 had 3 or 4 different kernels available) but the default 4.31 kernel 2.6.30.5 was smp enabled and recognized and uses both cores of a dual-core.At least on my equipment.

Kernels available were.........pup-431-k2.6.21.7-scsi-intel_modems
pup-431-k2.6.25.16-intel_modems
pup-431-scsi-intel_modems.iso

[DaveS]

Ha Ha, using Seamonkey 1x again is kinda ... quaint, Gnumeric 1.8 def is not, too flawed. If I remember correctly, Gnumeric 1.10 needs something else, goffice and libgf*** I think

[Stripe]

Hi all

Cups 1.1 is working great, no hassle installing a printer, I love it.
Right country and keyboard

Will see if I can get xvesa working with a clean boot

Stripe

[James C]

Quick first run, live pfix=ram on the old P3 test computer.

Sound and internet connection working on initial boot.Using xvesa, instead of my usual xorg, with no apparent problems.

Does seem a bit strange using the old 1 series SeaMonkey again.

[James C]

Fresh manual frugal install on the old test box.

On initial boot used xorg to set correct 1024x768x24 resolution but sound and net were not auto-configured.A quick trip through the appropriate wizards configured both correctly.

More testing..................

[James C]

Youtube works pretty well......................once I remembered to install the darn flashplayer

[ttuuxxx]

Hi Thanks to James pointing out to run the sound card wizard I know have sound, Barry has updated woof and when you update woof basically all the startup scripts get updated, The startup scripts are the same ones used in 5.1 by reading the change list. This could be a reason for the soundcards not being automatically picked-up.
scripts like
/usr/bin/xwin
/usr/sbin/delayedrun
/usr/sbin/xorgwizard
etc, etc so its bassically a needle in a haystack. find the right script and revert it back or update it.
ttuuxxx

[Stripe]

Hi all

Xvesa loaded when done from a clean install before the save file was created. (Thanks for sharing)
I am now using 432 to use woof no problems, I cant find anything wrong, how is everybody else doing?

Stripe

[scsijon]

Welll... what a supprise,

Box 1 (the one that gave me all the video problems with puppy4 and 5)

frugal install, sat access via ethernet,

no problems found so far.

The video works perfectly with xorg from the start, even runs 1024x768@85hz with only a little narrowing of the screen width as it's actually running 1024x768/68.68Khz/84.89Hz.

installed without problems
packages installed no problems
sat working (and seems to be with a faster response than 5.1)

just had to put the results up

on to box 3 next (office users box)

regards
scsijon

[ttuuxxx]

/dev/mixer is missing, When I tried to compile a volume/mixer app I was getting gtk2 gseal errors, So I downgraded gtk2 and the gseal went away, not good. anyways If someone could focus on getting the volume to autostart/detect I could focus on building a new backend, I only have really the weekends to get this in depth and well its Sunday today.
Hmmm maybe gtk3? I haven't tried it but wouldn't mind giving it a shot.
ttuuxxx

[scsijon]

Box 3

an older ati system, no web access.

no problems found with both vesa and x-org

installs ok, prints ok


Box 4

a dell optiplex gx280, never had linux only a win parn as it does my leadlighting cad. Want to put 432 and add wine131 as the package works under 131 (still have to check the drum printer will).

yuck, will have to rework this one and try to work out what's going wrong, no video would work to start with, eventually got vesa to work but only at 800x600@60hz

however found a package missing:

Grub, only get error messages saying it's missing or can't be found. even when no-x and grubconfig is called. One for you I fear ttuuxxx!

Dialup (box 2) will have to be tomorrow afternoon, but not expecting too many problems as 431 works brilliantly out off-the-cd on it as did 214ce and 214x.

regards
scsijon

[ttuuxxx]

Thanks scsijon looking forward to more results, I've been building a new backend for it, and well its been complicated with gtk issues with compiling but I'm getting around it
ttuuxxx

[ttuuxxx]

Well I compiled the new backend, should extend the shelf-life of 4 series for a couple of years. It will take some time to put it together because I have to work mon-fri and usually pretty tired when I get home so I kind of slowdown during the week, nevertheless I'll plug away at it, If others could find fixes etc it would help to advance this version much quicker. People were asking for months for 4 series to move ahead, well this is your chance.
ttuuxxx

[Stripe]

Hi ttuuxxx

Wlll try my best (even though I have the technical abilities of a wet paper bag)
tried installing the xorg_xvesa-7.3-1.pet (got it from from the pet 4 folder of woof when I was remastering 4 to try and see if I could get xvesa working better) dont think it makes any difference to xvesa

Hope this helps
Stripe

[clarf]

Hi,

I booted from CD and everything works fine in my old HP L2000 laptop, I have network, sound and Xorg. Non critical errors found, only some minor errors and warnings at xerrs.log:

killall: freememapplet: no process killed
killall: powerapplet: no process killed
kill: usage: kill [-s sigspec | -n signum | -sigspec] [pid | job]... or kill -l [sigspec]

They are loaded when JWM is loading the swallow applications, it's the same info that I get when start these applications from term.

A small error with powerapplet:

powerapplet: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.7' not found (required by powerapplet)

Also found some errors about usb-core and usb-hid missing files, right when startx (xwin) is executed. But lsmod and dmesg show they are actually loaded, I must search the cause of this warning. (I wonder if some usb devices could have problems to load...)

Some errors shown with dmesg for lp module:

# lp: Unknown symbol parport_unregister_device
bash: lp:: command not found
# lp: Unknown symbol parport_unregister_driver
bash: lp:: command not found
# lp: Unknown symbol parport_negotiate
bash: lp:: command not found
# p: Unknown symbol parport_claim
bash: p:: command not found
# lp: Unknown symbol parp

Xorg "ati" driver run but seems unstable...

Not found any sound or network problem with 4.3.2. For people with issues please post your /tmp/bootsysinit.log and /tmp/bootkernel.log files.

Greetings,
clarf

[ttuuxxx]

Hi clarf nice to have you with us I appreciate you lending us a hand
Thanks for helping.
Also thanks Stripe for giving it a shot
ttuuxxx