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How to switch kernels between Puppy versions
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nooby

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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jan 2012, 10:23    Post_subject:  

Wow very interesting thread.

Hope something good comes out of it.
Some kernels fail to have drivers for
some hardware. This way maybe one
can go for a kernel that actually works
and still use that in a version that where
made using another kernel.

so keep up this good work and hope for success
and easy descriptions that even us noobs can follow Smile

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ozsouth

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Apr 2012, 01:43    Post_subject: LuSl53p1 - a trial hybrid puppy (has PAE, for 4+ Gb ram PCs)
Sub_title: LuSl a trial hybrid puppy - EDIT 22/7/12 - no longer hosted
 

I've had a hybrid puppy (Lucid 529 with Slacko 531 PAE kernel inserted) hosted for me, if anyone who has 4+ Gb ram wants to try. Quite customised - some pets can be installed, & some will fail, so try at own risk. 184mb, includes dosbox, emelfm, skype & flash 11.2. (pw=puppy).

*** NO LONGER HOSTED ***

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musher0


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PostPosted: Tue 17 Apr 2012, 00:59    Post_subject:  

hello, ozsouth

Nice job! Boots like a charm.

However, I couldn't find the character set for my country and I couldn't save to CD.

Do you have those utilities somewhere else, perhaps?

All the best.

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ozsouth

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PostPosted: Tue 17 Apr 2012, 03:01    Post_subject: Lusl deficiencies  

Glad you liked it, musher. I've used it for a few months. Unfortunately, my customisations were done before the latest internationalisation, and I had to alter rc.shutdown to get a clean shutdown. That could account for both your problems. I thought keyboards were covered, and 'save to usb' works, but I hadn't ever used 'save to CD', so I assumed it was OK. Sorry, but I'm stumped by those issues - work-arounds are needed from those smarter than I.
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PostPosted: Tue 17 Apr 2012, 11:08    Post_subject:  

Thanks for the quick reply and the explanations.

"Smarter than I..." Judging from your work, that might be difficult to find! Take the compliment when it passes, is what I say! Smile

The first problem is not that much of a concern for me since I am fluent in English. Probably your derivative could be localized easily enough with the new system, or up to 80 % simply by putting the proper mo files in /usr/share/locale/[language].

Second problem is not even an annoyance if you don't work from CD/DVD.

That said, I know firsthand that in the latest wary, and from various accounts in slacko, there is a shutdown problem (puppy recycling or hanging). Is that what you corrected? Your derivative can indeed save, just not on a CD or DVD. Maybe post your solution in a separate thread if it can help?

The following comment is not adressed to you, of course, but my fear is that the latest Puppies will become laughing stock in the Linux community if they cannot shutdown properly.

All the best.

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PostPosted: Tue 17 Apr 2012, 17:35    Post_subject:  

Quote:
I've had a hybrid puppy (Lucid 529 with Slacko 531 kernel inserted)

Three-Headed Dog is Lucid with the Slacko 2.6.37.6 kernel installed.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=552539#552539
There is also a *very* experimental build of Lucid with the 3.0.25 kernel from Racy installed. http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=620551#620551
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PostPosted: Tue 17 Apr 2012, 18:22    Post_subject:  

playdayz wrote:
Quote:
I've had a hybrid puppy (Lucid 529 with Slacko 531 kernel inserted)

Three-Headed Dog is Lucid with the Slacko 2.6.37.6 kernel installed.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=552539#552539
There is also a *very* experimental build of Lucid with the 3.0.25 kernel from Racy installed. http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=620551#620551


Hello, playdaz.

Two questions: Twisted Evil

Do they shut down properly?

Is the save to CD/DVD feature maintained?

I haven't had much luck lately with these traditional Puppy features...

Something about scalded cats... or dogs, for that matter. Wink

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PostPosted: Tue 17 Apr 2012, 19:59    Post_subject: 3HD is fantastic, but no PAE, hence hybrid created  

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Three-Headed Dog is Lucid with the Slacko 2.6.37.6 kernel installed.


Hi Playdayz,

Unfortunately 3 headed dog, great though it is, doesn't have PAE - so my hybrid has the Slacko 2.6.39.4 PAE kernel inserted, to allow access to > 3Gb ram. I would love 3HD to have a PAE version - would be much better than my hybrid.
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celeronM

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PostPosted: Tue 17 Apr 2012, 21:01    Post_subject:  

Well i tried to merge kernel of legacy os 4 in lucid 5.28.005 without sucess.
Code:

#ubuntu is the problem, these symlinks are missing...

if [ ! -e usr/bin/aclocal ];then
 REALFILE="`ls -1 usr/bin/aclocal* | head -n 1 | rev | cut -f 1 -d '/' | rev`"
 ln -s $REALFILE usr/bin/aclocal
fi

if [ ! -e usr/bin/automake ];then
 REALFILE="`ls -1 usr/bin/automake* | head -n 1 | rev | cut -f 1 -d '/' | rev`"
 ln -s $REALFILE usr/bin/automake
fi

#if [ ! -e usr/share/aclocal ];then
# REALDIR="`find usr/share/ -maxdepth 1 -type d -name aclocal* | head -n 1 | rev | cut -f 1 -d '/' | rev`"
# ln -s $REALDIR usr/share/aclocal
#fi

if [ ! -e usr/share/automake ];then
 REALDIR="`find usr/share/ -maxdepth 1 -type d -name automake* | head -n 1 | rev | cut -f 1 -d '/' | rev`"
 ln -s $REALDIR usr/share/automake
fi


I just want a kernel specific for my machine.
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ozsouth

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Apr 2012, 19:25    Post_subject: @ CeleronM  

Hi CeleronM,

I tinkered with a few combos before I got a goer - still have issues. It seems that the kernels have to be reasonably close - I wound up replacing 2.6.37.6 with 2.6.39.4-PAE, after earlier attempts failed. If your processor is a CeleronM, earlier Wary versions would be the best start (511?).
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Dewbie

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Oct 2012, 02:57    Post_subject:  

I would like to get the additional analog modem drivers from the original-kernel version of Retro-Puppy 218 alpha and put them in Classic Pup 2.14x.
(Both are built with kernel 2.6.18.1.)

How can I do this (for frugal installation)?
Do I follow directions on page 1, or are there fewer steps to take because the kernel is the same?
Thanks.
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PostPosted: Wed 24 Oct 2012, 07:07    Post_subject:  

Dewbie wrote:
I would like to get the additional analog modem drivers from the original-kernel version of Retro-Puppy 218 alpha and put them in Classic Pup 2.14x.
(Both are built with kernel 2.6.18.1.)

How can I do this (for frugal installation)?
Do I follow directions on page 1, or are there fewer steps to take because the kernel is the same?
Thanks.


Hi Dewbie

Following the steps in the rest of the thread is probably the safest option.

However if you are feeling adventurous and you're runnning in an environment where it doesn't matter if you make mistakes then you could try just copying the directories:

/etc
/lib/firmware
/lib/modules

across and seeing what happens....

Good luck
Cheers
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Dewbie

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PostPosted: Fri 02 Nov 2012, 00:40    Post_subject:  

Updated 3-29-2013
Thanks, peebee.
That didn't work out too well. Laughing

I also tried those directories from the the main version of Retro-Puppy 218 alpha--k2.6.18.8--with Puppy Linux 431.

To make a bootable iso, you have to rename 431's /etc/DISTRO_SPECS file to 218, then use all the other files from 218.

For the most part, this Woof-based combo works fine.
(BarryK built them only a few months apart.)

However, it won't recognize my Intel 536EP modem, even though the driver is loaded in BootManager.

Exactly why, I'm not sure.
However, some of the 431 versions have issues with this modem:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1265339411&t=20709

Also, Retro-Puppy 218 alpha is (once again) unavailable.
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PostPosted: Thu 08 Aug 2013, 04:54    Post_subject:  

Here is my situation. I want the kernel from puppy precise 5.7 inserted into puppy lucid 5.2.8. Would this be possible?

Maybe I will play around and see what happens.
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PostPosted: Thu 08 Aug 2013, 06:18    Post_subject:  

rmcellig wrote:
Here is my situation. I want the kernel from puppy precise 5.7 inserted into puppy lucid 5.2.8. Would this be possible?

Maybe I will play around and see what happens.

I do not know if it's possible, but it should be tested (Lucid 528 still an excellent version).
Cordialement,

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