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How to switch kernels between Puppy versions
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peebee


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PostPosted: Sun 22 Dec 2013, 17:07    Post subject:  
Wognath wrote:
wl is not in the wary kernel.


Don't know if it helps - but wl is available for Wary5.5 at:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=609360#609360

wl works fine for all latest Puppies and latest kernels up to and including 3.10....for me
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Wognath

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PostPosted: Sun 22 Dec 2013, 23:04    Post subject:  
@mikeb,
I've tried a few more things with this, and I'm none the wiser. ssb is not blacklisted. I have removed from the old savefile everything that I thought related to networking, but I still get
Code:
failed to raise interface wlan0
failed command was : ifconfig wlan0 up
Error returned was ifconfig: SIOCSIFFLAGS:  No such file or directory

@peebee
Thanks. I found your awesome collection of wl pets and used several while I was fooling around with different kernels. My wireless connects with b43 in later kernels, but apparently something in the original 431 savefile is interfering, whether b43 or wl.

Ok, back to making tamales Razz
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PostPosted: Mon 23 Dec 2013, 03:22    Post subject:  
Wognath wrote:
but I still get
Code:
failed to raise interface wlan0
failed command was : ifconfig wlan0 up
Error returned was ifconfig: SIOCSIFFLAGS:  No such file or directory



Hi Wognath

That error usually means firmware can't be found - and the firmware loading mechanism did change between Puppy editions and kernels - if you look in dmesg there may be missing firmware error messages?

You will need to make sure that the firmware is present and is located in the correct place.

Cheers
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PostPosted: Mon 23 Dec 2013, 08:56    Post subject:  
With kernel changes come mysteries beyond our comprehension.... saying from ancient greece....

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PostPosted: Mon 23 Dec 2013, 18:35    Post subject:  
Quote:
the firmware loading mechanism did change between Puppy editions and kernels - if you look in dmesg there may be missing firmware error messages?
peebee, you hit the nail on the head. dmesg output includes
Code:
b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file "b43/ucode15.fw" not found
In Wary, this file is in /lib/modules/all-firmware/b43/lib/firmware/b43. Creating a symlink to that folder in /lib/firmware solves the problem and allows wireless to connect! I still don't understand what it is about the savefile that causes puppy to look in the wrong place...
Quote:
With kernel changes come mysteries beyond our comprehension
Thanks to both of you for the help.
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PostPosted: Wed 07 May 2014, 17:10    Post subject: SFS load on the fly  
"But as the poster has pointed out, there are major differences between puppy series 3 and 4 so will be very surprised if the kernel switch will work in this instance. Why don't you try switching puppy 412 kernel with something later like a Wary Puppy?"
At home, the process fails with puppies series 3 and 4
I use SFS load on the fly , and load the SFS of the old Puppy, all the applications become available inside the installed recent Puppy.
Is that forbidden ?
What does 'underdog' mean in Boot options (PF3) ? is it similar as load on the fly ?
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PostPosted: Wed 07 May 2014, 21:57    Post subject:  
I finally downloaded James C's .iso (link on the previous page) and burnt it to CD. It seems to work well - I haven't spent a lot of time on it though - it is very cold here in the control room!
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Feb 2015, 12:29    Post subject:  
I wanted to use lxpup14 but its kernel is to old to work for my network card.
So I used unicornpup which does work with my network card and followed the directions in the first post.
Everything was looking good on boot until it tried to start x which it couldn't do, I ran xorgwizard and it finds the right resolution but x still doesn't start.

Now both lxpup 14 and unicornpup boot no problem and x starts without a problem in their original form.
I even tried deleting etc/x11 and replacing it with the one from unicorn but still x doesn't start.
Hoping someone has an idea what the problem could be.


Mark
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Feb 2015, 13:56    Post subject:  
Well not sure how matched xorg and the kernel need to be when kernel mode setting is used. Intel video?

What network card.... ? Might be a driver built for the older kernel around. mountains and Mohammad stuff...

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PostPosted: Sat 28 Feb 2015, 14:10    Post subject:  
Mark_C wrote:
I wanted to use lxpup14 but its kernel is to old to work for my network card.
So I used unicornpup which does work with my network card and followed the directions in the first post.
Everything was looking good on boot until it tried to start x which it couldn't do, I ran xorgwizard and it finds the right resolution but x still doesn't start.

Now both lxpup 14 and unicornpup boot no problem and x starts without a problem in their original form.
I even tried deleting etc/x11 and replacing it with the one from unicorn but still x doesn't start.
Hoping someone has an idea what the problem could be.


Mark


Maybe try LxPupUnicorn15.02:
http://lx-pup.weebly.com/upup-unicorn.html
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Feb 2015, 14:24    Post subject:  
Yes it is intel video.
I believe the network card is Atheros AR9565
It uses ath9k in slacko 5.7.0 but ath9k doesn't do any thing for it in lxpup14
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Feb 2015, 14:27    Post subject:  
peebee wrote:
Mark_C wrote:
I wanted to use lxpup14 but its kernel is to old to work for my network card.
So I used unicornpup which does work with my network card and followed the directions in the first post.
Everything was looking good on boot until it tried to start x which it couldn't do, I ran xorgwizard and it finds the right resolution but x still doesn't start.

Now both lxpup 14 and unicornpup boot no problem and x starts without a problem in their original form.
I even tried deleting etc/x11 and replacing it with the one from unicorn but still x doesn't start.
Hoping someone has an idea what the problem could be.


Mark


Maybe try LxPupUnicorn15.02:
http://lx-pup.weebly.com/upup-unicorn.html


Does that version use the gslapt package manager?
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Feb 2015, 16:58    Post subject: Sticky this please  
I just started reading this thread, and am very surprized this is not a sticky. Considering the current 2015 state of all things Puppy, I'll ask for this thrread to be made sticky.

TIA
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Feb 2015, 17:10    Post subject:  
Mark_C wrote:

Maybe try LxPupUnicorn15.02:
http://lx-pup.weebly.com/upup-unicorn.html

Does that version use the gslapt package manager?


Sorry - no.
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Feb 2015, 17:56    Post subject:  
peebee wrote:
Mark_C wrote:

Maybe try LxPupUnicorn15.02:
http://lx-pup.weebly.com/upup-unicorn.html

Does that version use the gslapt package manager?


Sorry - no.


I decided to try again using slacko 5.7.0 pae and it worked this time, posting from it now.
I have been curious about this version he made it seems pretty innovative.
Thank you for your replies.
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