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#46 Post by nooby »

Shinobar no the safe mode did not help.

If I test the Find set root option that makes it find older versions of saved such tests. That is kind of a randomness intruded? But I test to see what happens. I get back when I know more. But maybe it get solved by lupu236?




It seems to be something about the lupu235 as such and that the error also existed in the one yo umade lupq from.

I try to find link it is here

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 328#464328

texts says
Barry helped me figure out why it was not booting correctly. So that is something to look forward to
sure it is about mplayer acting oddly but he mention the booting problem indirectly to also get solved in next version.

could it not be what I have experienced
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kernel panic

#47 Post by shinobar »

nooby wrote:I tested again with a new download of lupq511 and it went directly to kernel panic
You did boot from the lupq511 live CD with safe mode, but got kernel panic, right?
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#48 Post by nooby »

Nope from HDD 250GB hard drive frugal install and

sorry me is booting lupu 511 version 235 and not lupQ but lupq has same booting error and I got no solution asking about lupu234 and hoped you would understand what is going on.

this time I booted with the following menu.lst from SDA3
title lupu234test without wine panic=300 debug
root (hd0,2)
kernel /lupu234t/vmlinuz root=UUID=xxxxxxxxxx psubdir=lupu234t pfix=fsck panic=300 debug
initrd /lupu234t/initrd.gz
by adding panic=300 debug it takes longer time but hopefully me can see a pattern of what it hangs on.

I am not sure of if it "panic" but it stop at Loading drivers at five dots in first line instead of adding the 6 and 7 dots there.

Last time me had the error it said it was something with b43

I write x to not give away the unique hardware number to expoliters.

Ubuntu gave it that name when it did wubi install of ubuntu 9
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root paramater

#49 Post by shinobar »

title lupu234test without wine panic=300 debug
root (hd0,2)
kernel /lupu234t/vmlinuz root=UUID=xxxxxxxxxx psubdir=lupu234t pfix=fsck panic=300 debug
initrd /lupu234t/initrd.gz
Remove the 'root=' paramater for frugal install.(You installed frugal, sure?)
And also try RAM mode(pfix=ram).

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title		lupu234test without wine
root		(hd0,2)
kernel		/lupu234t/vmlinuz psubdir=lupu234t pfix=fsck
initrd		/lupu234t/initrd.gz

title		lupu234test RAM only
root		(hd0,2)
kernel		/lupu234t/vmlinuz psubdir=lupu234t pfix=ram
initrd		/lupu234t/initrd.gz
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#50 Post by nooby »

Hahah, you right and me wrong. Surprise because as I said. The only way to boot other OS was to include the UUID. But now it booted without it.

So I will try without the uuid to see which linux os needs it and whom not.
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#51 Post by piratesmack »

charlie6 wrote: lupq meets most of what I was desiring for !
Same here

Thanks, shinobar

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#52 Post by nooby »

shinobar , thanks for all effort you put into this.

Edit. If I use pfix=ram then it always boot. But then I have no access to all the emails and bookmarks and so on.

So i need to learn how to make a pupsave that can import these from the HDD and not needs to be rebuilt each time me change to a new distro.

I did know how to some months ago through the help from kind members but have no forgotten all about how to do it.

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I have no idea really but I wild guess that there is something odd because if I only have

safe mode

then it still can fail to boot. Not every time but often.

If I only have debug then it also can fail at booting but not every time

But if it combine them then it very seldom fail at booting.


so that is why me wild guess it has to do with timing.

Now when 236 are available I will see how that one behave.
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wacom tablet works

#53 Post by don570 »

I was able to get my wacom Bamboo tablet to work
perfectly now. the pressure settings are persistent now.
I describe here...
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... &start=165

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#54 Post by bodbozzle »

An older "AMD Thunderbird -PC" with an orphaned XP and no working CD-drive,
could be easily revived due to the
Lucid-Puppy-Quickset-511-installer.exe.
:)
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Re: wacom tablet works

#55 Post by sc0ttman »

don570 wrote:I was able to get my wacom Bamboo tablet to work
perfectly now. ..
Lovely, thanks very much... Gonna try it today :)
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Windows Installer

#56 Post by shinobar »

bodbozzle wrote:An older "AMD Thunderbird -PC" with an orphaned XP and no working CD-drive,
could be easily revived due to the
Lucid-Puppy-Quickset-511-installer.exe.
Thanks for the good news, bodbozzle :!:

We are still calling for your report regarding the Windows Installer > to all
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Re: Windows Installer

#57 Post by sc0ttman »

shinobar wrote:We are still calling for your report regarding the Windows Installer > to all
I had no problems with the .exe installer on my PC.. It would not boot on my EEE PC, gave an error and stopped, when uppacking the initrd.gz

On my PC:

I installed LupQ with the exe installer to an NTFS windows partition, booted fine, grub worked, no hard drive issues (which I was warned about on NTFS!)

However, I know that installing and booting Puppy from NTFS in not recommended, so I got found an old hard drive and formatted to ext3, then used the LupQ liveCD with frugall installer to install to my new HDD.

It's a lot faster on ext3, and so I uninstalled the .exe LupQ installer from my windows system/partition, but it worked fine.
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#58 Post by nooby »

I know that installing and booting Puppy from NTFS in not recommended
But we are very many now that have done so for years and it works very good.

I have three computers and list them in my signatur and all of them have at least ten different puppies on them and all of them have frugal install on NTFS and it just works.

So is this not a very old recommendation? Or that it is for full install that it is not recommended?

For dual booting with windows it is the best thing if one have a brand new machine. If one have an old then one can chose to format it for linux but if you have to dual boot then NTFS for frugal is totally okay. ?
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frugal install on NTFS

#59 Post by shinobar »

nooby wrote:I have three computers and list them in my signatur and all of them have at least ten different puppies on them and all of them have frugal install on NTFS and it just works.
What boot loader are you using, nooby?
I remember you have never been using grub4dos...
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Re: Windows Installer

#60 Post by shinobar »

sc0ttman wrote:I had no problems with the .exe installer on my PC.. It would not boot on my EEE PC, gave an error and stopped, when uppacking the initrd.gz

On my PC:

I installed LupQ with the exe installer to an NTFS windows partition, booted fine, grub worked, no hard drive issues (which I was warned about on NTFS!)

However, I know that installing and booting Puppy from NTFS in not recommended, so I got found an old hard drive and formatted to ext3, then used the LupQ liveCD with frugall installer to install to my new HDD.

It's a lot faster on ext3, and so I uninstalled the .exe LupQ installer from my windows system/partition, but it worked fine.
Thanks for testing.
Like to confirm:
You have 2 PC, 'my PC' and 'EEE PC', right?
You ran the installer.exe both on the 2 PC's.
The former 'my PC' got success, but the latter 'EEE PC' failed, right?
Will you tell me what Windows version of the both?
Do you have any idea why the latter 'EEE PC' failed?

You are right you avoid NTFS but frugal install on ext3.
NTFS works but ext3 is better.
I have too ext3 partition with many folder for Puppy's frugal installation.
I have NTFS partition with Windows and frugal installed Puppy only for test purpose.
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#61 Post by ICPUG »

It's one thing to say avoid NTFS in preference to ext3 and quite another to say it is not recommended to frugal install Puppy on NTFS.

Who is doing the recommending and why?

This myth that writing to NTFS from Linux is dangerous seems to have taken hold in the Knoppix forum - I would not like to see it take hold here.

Yes, in very rare cases, you can have problems but no worse than problems you might get running Windows XP - yet nobody recommends running Windows XP on FAT32.

Linux does its writing to ntfs through ntfs-3g. This has been very solid from the beginning but until about 2 years ago there was a possibility of error with a certain set of (rare) conditions. ntfs-3g was updated to remove this problem and puppies for some time have used this later version of ntfs-3g.

One can never be sure that software is bug free so there may still be some esoteric conditions where it is a problem. I just think the risk is no worse than that with Windows.

The one thing you do have to be aware of is if you write directly to NTFS then the permission system is different from an ext2/3 system. This is no issue for a Puppy frugal because the pupsave file created is set up internally as an ext2/3 system so any writes there retain the Linux permission system.

These myths hamper development. Tinybit, who created grub4dos, stopped support for ntfs after some unsubstantiated talk that things did not work correctly with Windows XP SP2, (Edit - I originally said Vista but then remembered it was before this). Thankfully, when Ubuntu Wubi came about, Bean took up the challenge to update grub4dos and the lack of support for ntfs in XP SP2/Vista/Win 7 was quietly removed!
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Re: frugal install on NTFS

#62 Post by nooby »

shinobar wrote:
nooby wrote:I have three computers and list them in my signatur and all of them have at least ten different puppies on them and all of them have frugal install on NTFS and it just works.
What boot loader are you using, nooby?
I remember you have never been using grub4dos...
Yes sorry, my bad I assumed that jolicloud would use grub4dos but I don't know what they use.

I am totally immersed now to get your grub4dosconfig going on a usb memstick so I have to deal with the hdd later.

sorry to derail your thread. I will reboot now after using gparted to partition and format and this time setting boot flag and doing your program and now most likely I have done it the proper way. Trying luci236 this time.
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Puppy on NTFS

#63 Post by shinobar »

ICPUG wrote: I just think the risk is no worse than that with Windows.
Nicely ICPUG you say!

I personally use ext3 because of the convenience /mnt/home is ready as the working space for linux. And my ntfs partition is only for testing.
But for new comers from Windows users, i recommend to install Puppy in their existing Windows drive as is. It is easy and safe thanks to the grub4dos.
No new linux partitions, no swap partitions.

How to install Puppy on Windows PC
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Re: Windows Installer

#64 Post by sc0ttman »

shinobar wrote:Like to confirm:
You have 2 PC, 'my PC' and 'EEE PC', right?
Yes, I have 1 desktop PC and a netbook (the eee PC)
shinobar wrote:You ran the installer.exe both on the 2 PC's.
The former 'my PC' got success, but the latter 'EEE PC' failed, right?
Correct. My desktop PC booted fine, but my Eee PC (my netbook) did not..
shinobar wrote:Will you tell me what Windows version of the both?
Do you have any idea why the latter 'EEE PC' failed?
I have XP pro sp3 on both machines, both NTFS, both installed to the first partition of the hard drive.

I have no idea why my Eee PC fails to boot using the LupQ installer. Grub works fine, it can run Puppy from USB, but I can't make it boot a Puppy install from the NTFS partition.... :roll:

I will try another installer on my Eee PC..
shinobar wrote:You are right you avoid NTFS but frugal install on ext3.
NTFS works but ext3 is better.
I have too ext3 partition with many folder for Puppy's frugal installation.
I have NTFS partition with Windows and frugal installed Puppy only for test purpose.
Yeah, I don't even know why NTFS is 'not advised', but I believe it :)
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#65 Post by nooby »

Scottman, I am a poor reader. Did you tell us what boot error it gave?

I had trouble with something close to the eee a Acer D250 and that one have win7 on it and when one do frugal it seems to be on the third partition so it looks like this

root (0,2) And name is Sda3

But I guess your usb booting should be able to tell you such thing.
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