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ICPUG · Joined: 24 Jul 2005 Posts: 1290 Location: UK

It's one thing to say avoid NTFS in preference to ext3 and quite another to say it is not recommended to frugal install Puppy on NTFS.

Who is doing the recommending and why?

This myth that writing to NTFS from Linux is dangerous seems to have taken hold in the Knoppix forum - I would not like to see it take hold here.

Yes, in very rare cases, you can have problems but no worse than problems you might get running Windows XP - yet nobody recommends running Windows XP on FAT32.

Linux does its writing to ntfs through ntfs-3g. This has been very solid from the beginning but until about 2 years ago there was a possibility of error with a certain set of (rare) conditions. ntfs-3g was updated to remove this problem and puppies for some time have used this later version of ntfs-3g.

One can never be sure that software is bug free so there may still be some esoteric conditions where it is a problem. I just think the risk is no worse than that with Windows.

The one thing you do have to be aware of is if you write directly to NTFS then the permission system is different from an ext2/3 system. This is no issue for a Puppy frugal because the pupsave file created is set up internally as an ext2/3 system so any writes there retain the Linux permission system.

These myths hamper development. Tinybit, who created grub4dos, stopped support for ntfs after some unsubstantiated talk that things did not work correctly with Windows XP SP2, (Edit - I originally said Vista but then remembered it was before this). Thankfully, when Ubuntu Wubi came about, Bean took up the challenge to update grub4dos and the lack of support for ntfs in XP SP2/Vista/Win 7 was quietly removed!

nooby · Joined: 29 Jun 2008 Posts: 10557 Location: SwedenEurope

shinobar · Joined: 28 May 2009 Posts: 2631 Location: Japan

sc0ttman · Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Posts: 2393 Location: UK

nooby · Joined: 29 Jun 2008 Posts: 10557 Location: SwedenEurope

Scottman, I am a poor reader. Did you tell us what boot error it gave?

I had trouble with something close to the eee a Acer D250 and that one have win7 on it and when one do frugal it seems to be on the third partition so it looks like this

root (0,2) And name is Sda3

But I guess your usb booting should be able to tell you such thing.

sc0ttman · Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Posts: 2393 Location: UK

nooby · Joined: 29 Jun 2008 Posts: 10557 Location: SwedenEurope

oops okay, then we need experts that recognize what to do now.

I had hope it was something easy to put right. I bow out

yordanj94 · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 77 Location: Bulgaria

Hi to all.
Can someone help me please !
I got no problem with the older version "Iron-6.0.475-Lucid.pet", but can't just run the new one "Iron-7.0.520.0-Lucid.pet"
It shows is installed ,but just doesn't run .
What am i doing wrong ?
I install it the same way as i do with the older one.
Thanks in advance.
Yordan.

Roy · Joined: 31 Dec 2008 Posts: 446

yordanj94,

I cannot help with your .pet, but you can download the Iron binary here:

http://www.srware.net/downloads/iron-linux.tar.gz (32-Bit)

Next, install iron-linux.tar.gz that you downloaded by clicking on it. This will open the archive manager with the file loaded in the right hand pane. Highlight the file with your mouse and select 'extract'. A pop-up window will appear allowing you to choose where you extract it to. the default is /root, which is fine (I prefer to put it into an ext-3 filesystem outside of my save file), but make sure you check the radio button to extract ALL files including paths.

I just go into the new iron-linux directory and symlink the executable 'iron' (with the gear next to it) to my desktop. You can use the product logo as an icon, if you would like.

Again, I realize that this is not the answer you are looking for, but it does work and has the advantage of residing outside of your save file, saving precious operating space. (I just saw a post by Beem, stating that Iron had consumed 15MB of his save file in just a few minutes of usage.)

-Roy

Bert · Joined: 30 Jun 2006 Posts: 1017

shinobar · Joined: 28 May 2009 Posts: 2631 Location: Japan

yordanj94 · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 77 Location: Bulgaria

Thanks to all.
I am using live DVD not frugall install.
The older version always works ,but the new doesn't.
I tried:
[url] http://www.srware.net/downloads/iron-linux.tar.gz (32-Bit)[/url] and the result was the same.
Never mind thanks for your help.
Yordan.

don570 · Joined: 10 Mar 2010 Posts: 3612 Location: Ontario

The newest wacom driver by charlie6
solves the problem of a few seconds 'blackscreen' at shutdown
or rebooting.
Available from bottom of this page
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=998590594&t=16491&start=135

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