Lupu-515 Beta New Version DEC 18

[gabe]

So how come it is doing things to the first audio card only?

I wouldn't be so sure the order of sound cards matters. I'd suspect the driver for the first (or the config/handling thereof) to be the culprit.

Some testing of jwm2-493-patched-q1.pet

• stellarium <-- fullscreen ok
  gnome mplayer (using pupradio stream) <-- fullscreen ok
  flashplayer <-- fullscreen ok
  

Wow, excellent news. JWM is (I think?) the lightest and fastest window manager in the world that also has a modern look and feature set.

Suggestion: include this version of JWM with 5.2.

Bug/suggestion: The only remaining problem, it seems, is in updating the jwm configuration files. Too little is user configurable, and the scripts that write to the config file (and jwm tray config, etc) are a bit buggy (see the problem I reported earlier about applying a JWM theme).

Suggestion: I'm excited to hear about ogle. Its size and speed make it perfect for general inclusion in the distro.

Question: My computer (well, my mom's) has 256MB ram and the intel 8x845G chipset (similar to that of another user on here, but an 845 version instead of his 865 version). The computer is one of the most common "junkers" available, the Dell Inspiron 2400. I previously reported problems running 239 for any extended period of time (such as running firefox) for it would eventually crash to the prompt. I initially suspected memory issues, but later suspected booting with "noapic" would fix the issue as it did with xubuntu on the same system.

However, in case the latter is wrong, I'd like to revisit the "run out of ram" issue just in case. It will be some time (read: not until this weekend) before I'm able to test again, and I was wondering about how woof in 240 and above handle swap. I made a swap partition in gparted, but 239 did not use it at all. I heard there was a way to make a "swap.sfs" or something earlier, but could not figure it out.

Suggestion: I propose a tool for enabling swap (at least the pupswap.sfs or similar) to be created at install time (universal installer?) so that ram-limited computers could have less trouble. It would be great if I figure how to do it manually, but that wouldn't help other newbies, would it?

Suggestion: better tray configuration -- I'm in the US (and so is everyone I know personally), and everyone here hates the default "military" 24-hour clock. It would be great if the localization setup at first boot would take care of this, as having to search for the option to configure this may be found buried in Desktop settings. It would also be more convenient to implement more right-click power on the tray to easily change this and other tray settings.

Bug: I've learned USB installation is still quite glitchy (239 again) even when the syslinux.cfg file is manually updated with the boot source term "usbflash." Though it boots, the universal installer checks (again) for a CD rather than a USB stick. When the USB is mounted and the installer then directed to the root of the USB, it fails to detect the files until run again. When it is run again, it apparently recognizes the files and proceeds from the point it left off.

Suggestion: call bootloader (Grub or Grub4dos, depending on if the user specifies he has Windows or not) during/after installation. Not a single person I've given puppy to so far has managed to install it (frugal or otherwise) and then successfully boot into again.

Suggestion: It would be helpful for standard folders to be set up for newbies. For instance, when a USB drive is inserted, most people would not know to look under /mnt/sdb1, but expect either a link on the desktop or in a "my computer" type place.

Bug(?): full install won't use swap partition like normal distros.

[playdayz]

Let's see if luci-241 with the original scripts has the same problem with muted sound on reboot as luci-240 with the experimental zzz_scripts. It's posted in the first message of this thread. Thank you.

[jpeps]

It's not a bad idea to setup alsamixer with personal setting anyway. I had to fuss around to get my skype DTMF tones to trigger my answering machine correctly.

to view controls: "amixer scontrols"

Code: Select all

#!/bin/sh
amixer set 'Master' on
amixer set 'Master' 70%
amixer set 'Master Mono' on
amixer set 'Master Mono' 70%
amixer set 'PCM' on
amixer set 'PCM' 70%
amixer set 'Headphone' on
amixer set 'Headphone' 70%
amixer set 'Line' on
amixer set 'Line' 60%
amixer set 'IEC958 Playback AC97-SPSA'  60%

[James C]

Let's see if luci-241 with the original scripts has the same problem with muted sound on reboot as luci-240 with the experimental zzz_scripts. It's posted in the first message of this thread. Thank you.

Be back with some testing info as soon as the download finishes.

[James C]

Fresh frugal install of 241 on the old P3. Everything worked on initial boot,even sound. Installed the usual Xorg_high and SeaMonkey and rebooted. Sound was muted again.
Was going to post a screenshot but mtPaint Screenshot seems to be missing in action.
Sound working now and rebooting.

[James C]

Just rebooted, muted again.

Audio Adapter : ICH - Intel 82801AA-ICH

Same results in Luci-241 Trinity. Upgraded from 240, sound muted everytime I reboot.

Can get sound working with Retrovol but on reboot all settings are wiped out.
No problems with 239 and back.

[ttuuxxx]

here's the network tray re-themed
ttuuxxx

[ilanrab]

Let’s see if luci-241 with the original set of scripts has the same problem with muted sound on reboot as luci-240 did with the experimental zzz_scripts.

luci-241, without the zzz.pet exhibits the same exact mute sound issue.
Sorry.

ir

[Billtoo]

luci 241

Computer 1:

This one needs to be booted with pfix=nox,ram or else it goes to a
black screen.
1st bootup at prompt run xorgwizard and choose vesa, sound is working
and volume can be adjusted with retrovol.
Reboot to create save file.
After rebooting retrovol shows volume at 100% but when I click on an
ogg file it plays but no sound, run setup alsa sound wizard and I hear
two barks.
Sound is back and volume can be adjusted with the retrovol icon.

Computer 2:

On first bootup goes to desktop and I hear two barks,retrovol volume is set
at 75% and sound works.
After rebooting to create save file retrovol is showing volume set to
100%, sound is working but volume is very low and when I right click
the retrovol icon and select configure it doesn't show any active
sliders in the left side of the window, it didn't at first boot either on this
computer or computer 1.
I run the setup alsa sound wizard and I now have sound, retrovol is
back at 75%,right clicking on the retrovol icon shows no active
sliders in the left side of the window, but when I click on an ogg
file it plays and the sound can be adjusted by the retrovol icon.

Computer 3:

On first bootup goes to desktop and I hear two barks,retrovol volume
is set at 75% and sound works.Right clicking on the retrovol icon in
the tray shows no active slider in the left side of the window.
After rebooting to create a save file retrovol is showing sound set at
100%, sound is very low and right clicking on the retrovol icon shows
no active sliders in the left side of the window.
I run the setup alsa sound wizard and sound is now working and the
retrovol is set at 75%, there are still no active sliders in the left
side of the configure retrovol window.

So there isn't any connection between the retrovol configuration
window and the sound hardware on any of these computers but after
running the setup alsa sound wizard the sound can be adjusted using
the retrovol icon in the tray.

Edit: Rebooted computer 3 again and retrovol shows 100% volume but a song plays but volume is faint so it needs the setup alsa sound wizard again.

[bigpup]

[quote="01micko"]While we're having fun..

To address bigpup's (and probably a bunch more user's) issue of not selecting the correct graphics driver I am completely rewriting the graphics test.. much simpler. It's more like Barry's video_upgrade_wizard now which I believe is more accurate at selecting the correct driver.. (oh, bigpup.. I found the correct database for your card .. 173.XX ). The good thing is that no one will notice anything except that they will have the correct selection made for them!

This will be part of the latest quickpet when available (later today).

Cheers[/quote]
Thanks for working to improve this. Video drivers are about as much fun as trying to get the best setup for a printer or modem. If you can get this to work you have done a great thing for Puppy Linux.
Support for Nvidia seems to be solid, but do not forget the other half of the planet that uses ATI products. Just like Nvidia, one driver does not fit all. They do seem to be providing support for Linux at their support web site.
I read that they decided to go in two directions, legacy and new stuff.
Here is a link;
[url]http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/l ... ng=English[/url]

[Lobster]

in 431

sound worked and played on first boot
rebooted
no sound
ran alsa wizard
did not install driver and play 'woof woof'

So I have to change to my second sound card
even though the initial recognition worked . . .

good to see 3k soundburst wallpaper added . . .
weird time display (I thought my bios battery had gone) now working OK

Pidgin working OK
Some fool (OK it was me)
decided to empty the wastebin
right click and delete (items) without thinking . . .
. . . only . . . eh . . . that removes the wastebin icon
New brain applied for!

Many thanks

[cthisbear]

Atheros Lan >> AR8152...SOLVED.

Post further down.

I just sent Sir Tempe an email.

But I came across this...which I also included.
Maybe another of our network gurus can look at it too.

"""""""""

[SOLVED] Wired ethernet not getting detected

http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.p ... 05697.html

pytheas22

June 11th, 2010, 03:58 PM
Your ethernet hardware seems to be quite new and doesn't have a driver built into Ubuntu as of yet.

However, there's a driver included in the compat-wireless stack that you can use (I have no idea why they included an ethernet driver in compat-wireless, but according to these emails

http://omgili.com/mailinglist/kernel-te ... 08eamailgm ailcom.html

someone did).

To download, compile and install the driver, first go to

http://linuxwireless.org/download/compat-wireless-2.6

and download the file named "compat-wireless-2.6.tar.bz2"

(you can't download it in the terminal because of anti-hotlinking).
Save it to your desktop.
Then run these commands:

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install build-essential
cd ~/Desktop
tar -xjvf compat-wireless-2.6.tar.bz2
cd compat-wireless*
scripts/driver-select atl1c
make
sudo make install

Then reboot.
Hopefully your ethernet will work automatically after reboot; if not, run:

sudo modprobe atl1c

to insert the driver. Let me know how it goes.

We can probably make your wireless work too, if you're interested. "

///////////

Ideas...Chris.

[pemasu]

AR8152 driver for wired lan made by tempestuous http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 845#467845

Compat-wireless is not a way to go. I have tried to compile it for ath9k in several puppies. It compiles ok, but when installing, it does not work. It needs different other module framework and the result is error in modprobe: unknown symbols.

For wired lan, there is also AR8152 source available, which compiles and works just fine. I have that atl1e.ko already compiled, but i think tempestuous pet works just fine. If not, i can upload my compiled module also.

EDIT: here is my upload: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 523#450523

[shinobar]

Suggestion: call bootloader (Grub or Grub4dos, depending on if the user specifies he has Windows or not) during/after installation. Not a single person I've given puppy to so far has managed to install it (frugal or otherwise) and then successfully boot into again.

Good suggestion, gabe.

Almost every day new post comes in this Forum on installation problem.
A typical story:

• Run the Universal Installer and install Puppy on a USB flash drive.
• The Universal Installer says the MBR of the USB drive is probably OK as is, so take the default.
• Doesn't boot up.
• Look up the menu and find the 'Grub config' there and run it.
• The 'Grub config' aborts to istall, says the target is not linux partition.
• Ok, run Gparted and format with ext4, and run again the Universal Installer.
• Grub install makes strange entry in the menu.lst and no information on the Frugal install.
• Doesn't boot up.
• ... TO BE CONTINUED, try and error...

Again, I'd like to say: Who can manage with the 'Universal Installer' and 'Grub config'?

The 'Grub config' is not only useless. That's the trap.
And the name of 'Grub4Dos' is somewhat confusing. The 'Grub4Dos' is actually 'Grab NOT ONLY for dos'.
The 'Grub4Dos config' is the killer. It is upper compatible with legacy grub.
It does not depend on whether the user has Windows or not.

Try the 'Frugal installer' and 'Grub4Dos config' instead of the 'Universal Installer' plus 'Grub config'.
It must be an exciting experience.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 03&t=57711

[cthisbear]

Solved:

pemasu .

Mate I haven't seen that anywhere.
Saved my hide a second time.

Out comes Toshiba ....NOW.

and it works after reboot. Bloody fabulous..

Thanks all.

Chris.

[peebee]

luci-241 on HP550 laptop with Intel HDA sound...

tried both a new lucisave and an update from the luci-240 lucisave

in both cases sound is muted after reboot

inpu-001 which uses same woof (I think?) does not have this sound problem - see attached screen pic

cheers
peter

[01micko]

Quickpet 4rc4 is out!

see here


-some improvements to graphics detection
-some Lobster proofing
-there are some translation additions, you will see, not many

To test is the new graphics detection and one click download, and a choice not to... there is advice that there are other drivers (such as the FULL 260 driver, vdpau support etc)

Cheers

[BarryK]

Playdayz sent me a pm about this muted-sound-on-reboot problem, here is my reply to him:

This means that the volume restore is not running properly at reboot. I used to get that with rerwin's scripts, and my zzz fixed that.

However, my zzz seems to not be working properly in Luci, so perhaps one of your scripts is different from a pristine Woof?

The key thing to look for, is the /etc/init.d/10alsa script. It should be running this line:

alsactl -f /etc/asound.state restore #from /etc/asound.state.

You need to look at the code in 10alsa, is there anything that might be preventing that line from running?

Alternatively, it might have run, but failed, which was the problem I had with rerwin's scripts. In that case, if you look in /var/log/messages, you might see a "segfault" message for alsactl.

If alsactl is segfaulting, it most likely means that alsactl is being run too soon. This was my problem. Rerwin's scripts imposed a delay that caused alsa to take much longer to load its modules and be ready to use.

Let me know if you are getting the segfault.

This problem was what prompted me to create my zzz package in the first place. It fixes the sound problem in my Quirky and Wary, but something is different in Lupu that causes zzz to not work properly.

Anyway, regarding alsactl, if you are getting the segfault at bootup, try running it in a terminal:

# alsactl -f /etc/asound.state restore #from /etc/asound.state.

...if it works, then you know that /etc/init.d/10alsa is trying to run it too soon.

[/quote]

[Iguleder]

Barry, why don't you move the ALSA stuff to delayed run or xinitrc? After all, sound is needed once you get to the desktop, not earlier. Of course, there are rear-corner cases, such as pfix=nox fans ... but this code could be placed pretty much anywhere. Even /etc/profile is good enough.

In fact, /etc/profile is a good location - it runs when the shell starts, so if the code goes there, it's the first thing that runs after inittab.

[Tasgarth]

Luci 241 or 240, (without or with zzz)

sound worked and played on first boot
tray is 'no muted' but it's the CD slider, not the PPM
I must do : sound > right clic > 'config window' > Tray Slider > choice 'PPM'
Gnome-Mplayer or VLC are OK
.......
rebooted :
Tray icon : 'muted' . Always the CD slider
right clic > 'config window' > Tray Slider > Impossible to get choice 'PPM'. Only CD or 'capture' sliders
But with Alsa 'PPM' slider is displayed and sliders are good.

Gnome-Mplayer and VLC are OK, not tray icon