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morgonzola
 Joined: 21 Apr 2010 Posts: 160 Location: Los Angeles, CA |
hey so i have recently been interested in trying to run puppy with no x involved after reading http://kmandla.wordpress.com/ its sort of a baptism by fire thing. maybe it will improve my spelling too 
anyways i would like to hear of some good applications to try and attempt this with. i know of elinks midnight commander elinks 2? can someone explain this to me? screen what i think i might need a good word processor alsothe guy who wrote that blog before posted something about a vertical screen patch i dunno i just thought of this literally about a half an hour ago. im not asking for actual links to the programs themselves (i mean if you want to, go ahead  )
all im asking for are maybe some suggestions or some tips from others who have done it before or are currently doing it |
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technosaurus
 Joined: 18 May 2008 Posts: 3843 |
umm -you already linked to the site I was going to point you toward... try it with the NoX version of pupngo - http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=51478 _________________ Puppy Web Desktop Now with pet packages - Pet Packaging 100 & 101 |
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ttuuxxx
 Joined: 05 May 2007 Posts: 10720 Location: Ontario Canada,Sydney Australia |
yes it looks very interesting http://wayland.freedesktop.org/building.html ttuuxxx _________________ http://audio.online-convert.com/ <-- excellent site http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games 
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goingnuts
Joined: 07 Dec 2008 Posts: 626 |
mp (present in Puppy 412) is a nice console text editor with a lot of functionality I think links-1.01pre1 is the best console text web browser - can also be used to launch other programs. For file manager (and other file related stuff) you could try asmfile |
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Bruce B
 Joined: 18 May 2005 Posts: 10818 Location: The Peoples Republic of California |
Sure - DO NOT use Puppy One reason why is you want to operate your applications. Your non X applications are more keyboard centric than mouse centric. It might seem logical to presume that Puppy provides normal expected keyboard support. Logical does not mean accurate. I've attached a small pic, a segment of an ncurses application called mp3blaster. Please note it uses F keys. Install it in Puppy, run it in non-X mode and see if you can operate it completely, you should be able to. You would be able to if Puppy provided you the same level of keyboard support MS-DOS did thirty years ago. ~
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goingnuts
Joined: 07 Dec 2008 Posts: 626 |
You are right - but couldent that be fixed? In my homebrewed pupngo the F1-F4 works alright in console - havent done anything conscious to make it work - but in standard P412 they do not. |
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trapster
 Joined: 28 Nov 2005 Posts: 1966 Location: Maine, USA |
Try Here _________________ trapster Maine, USA Asus eeepc 1005HA PU1X-BK Frugal install:Puppeee4.31 + 1.0, Puppy4.10 + Lupu52 Currently using Puppeee-1.0 AND lupu52 w/ fluxbox |
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morgonzola
Joined: 21 Apr 2010 Posts: 160 Location: Los Angeles, CA |
thanks ill give it a go, howver i think i need some graphical backup for some training wheeles for a little 
links not elinks? i have heard about elinks but not links.. ill have to try it
ahh but where is the fun in that?
is this just a "it took up space s we removed it" thing or is this something that needs to be done from scratch? if so... then maybe PUpngo might wanna consider that
i actually came across that before but the dl links do not work. 
i have been hearing about this wayland recently. is everyone going to jump on the ubuntu bandwagon if/when it gets implemented? and also i found something that might be great for others who are looking into this also http://kmandla.wordpress.com/software/ pretty much a huge list of console only apps. great stuff |
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Bruce B
Joined: 18 May 2005 Posts: 10818 Location: The Peoples Republic of California |
My feelings are that it should not be defective year in and year out. Also, there have always been text based Linux distros available for me. Currently, for my text based Linux I use Rip Linux non-X http://rip.7bf.de/current/ Apart from the keyboard working, it has a lot of full version non-X utilities with man pages and other support files which aren't included in Puppy. No offense meant to Puppy, it's just that these OSes are designed to be very different. Puppy is a GUI OS. The RIP Linux non-X is designed to be a TUI OS. _________________ New! Puppy Linux Links Page |
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morgonzola
Joined: 21 Apr 2010 Posts: 160 Location: Los Angeles, CA |
no offense taken however, what then would be needed to be added to puppy to make it a worthwhile TUI os in your opinion? seems like you are the resident tui official. just wanna know your opinion |
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aragon
Joined: 15 Oct 2007 Posts: 1690 Location: Germany |
if you want to test a distro that's focusing on TUI-usage, you might have a look at grml: http://www.grml.org. aragon _________________ PUPPY SEARCH: http://wellminded.com/puppy/pupsearch.html |
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goingnuts
Joined: 07 Dec 2008 Posts: 626 |
Agree - another OS - uses "service packs" to handle such things. Have this ever been discussed for Puppy? A small pet to fix the findings in the different versions of Puppy? pupngo uses keymaps from sources outside Puppy - and a different load of this - might be worth testing the pupngo kbd-setup in P412...I will try this later today. |
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Bruce B
Joined: 18 May 2005 Posts: 10818 Location: The Peoples Republic of California |
Not to avoid your question. I think to myself, "What would need to be subtracted?" If you've ever tried to remove applications from Puppy you don't intend to use, you realize what time consuming and meticulous work it is. ~ As far as adding, the first thing I'd want to fix is the scancode functionality for the upper F keys. ~ _________________ New! Puppy Linux Links Page |
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sc0ttman
 Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Posts: 2174 Location: UK |
there is also: editors: mp, e3 file managers: clex, mc, and busybox has a simple one built in internet: links, lynx, elinks torrents: transmission-cli (search this forum for pup-transmission) net setup: CLInet downloader: wget burning DVDs: bashburn music player: MOCP, and others, I'm sure! Thats a tiny list.. Search this site for them: http://wellminded.com/puppy/pupsearch.html _________________ Akita Linux, VLC-GTK, Pup Search, Pup File Search |
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npierce
Joined: 28 Dec 2009 Posts: 637 |
The problem with the F1 thru F5 keys when running mp3blaster in the text console (not in X) stems from the fact that some Puppies improperly set the TERM environmental variable for the text console to xterm. The correct value for the text console is linux. This can be temporarily corrected by issuing this command:
After that, the F1 thru F5 keys should work properly in mp5blaster. I say temporary because the fix will go away when you logout or reboot. I don't know about other Puppies, but in Puppy 4.3.1 this is because there is a line in /etc/profile which sets TERM to xterm. Since that file is read whenever a user starts a new bash login shell, TERM will be set to xterm on each login. There must have been a reason that Puppy (at least 4.3.1) has that line in /etc/profile, but I cannot think of what it might have been. When either xterm or rxvt is started, it automatically sets TERM to xterm, so that line shouldn't be necessary for either of them. As a side note, it is the fact that rxvt sets TERM to xterm that causes problems in running mp3blaster in rxvt. Since rxvt was intended to be a smaller replacement for xterm, it mimics xterm by identifying itself as xterm (unless overridden by a command line option or a resource file). Unfortunately, it doesn't mimic everything about an xterm, and the F1 thru F4 keys are among the things that differ. To get mp3blaster to work in rxvt, you need to set TERM to rxvt. You could tell rxvt to set TERM when it starts by using the -tn option, or by setting the termName resource in a resource file, but (at least in Puppy 4.3.1) /root/.bashrc reads /etc/profile (which normally only gets read for a login shell), so it quickly resets TERM to xterm. Curses foiled again! Anyway, even if it didn't, you might not want to do that -- see next paragraph. While you can simply set TERM manually after rxvt starts, you might not want to do that. It is possible that X applications exist that test TERM and will expect it to be xterm. (I don't know of any off-hand, but this is probably why rxvt defaults to identifying itself as xterm.) So setting it to rxvt would make mp3blaster happy, but could give you trouble with another application somewhere down the road. (Maybe not; maybe that would never happen, but it is possible, and I don't like surprises.) A better idea, when in rxvt, might be to simply run mp3blaster with this command:
This sets TERM temporarily for mp3blaster. After mp3blaster exits, running another application will use the original value (i.e., xterm). SUMMARY - - - To run mp3blaster in the text console (not an X window) use this once after you login:
To run mp3blaster in rxvt, use this each time:
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