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4.3.1 without sound - but perfect otherwise
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spongedaddy


Joined: 02 Jun 2009
Posts: 38
Location: Winter Park, FL

PostPosted: Mon 29 Nov 2010, 13:29    Post subject:  4.3.1 without sound - but perfect otherwise  

Hello all,

I have 4.3.1 installed (full HD, 643MB mem) on a Dell Dimension 4500 and am loving every second of it (this old machine is now the fastest one I own).

However, I still do not get any sound after running ALSA sound wizard. I've also made sure the AlsaMixer levels are unmuted and maxed, and yes, the speakers are plugged in.

Card is Intel 82801DB-ICH4.
Chip is Analog Devices AD1981A.

Here is some more info:

Code:
# uname -r
2.6.30.5

# lspci
00:00.0 Class 0600: 8086:1a30 (rev 11)
00:01.0 Class 0604: 8086:1a31 (rev 11)
00:1d.0 Class 0c03: 8086:24c2 (rev 01)
00:1d.1 Class 0c03: 8086:24c4 (rev 01)
00:1d.2 Class 0c03: 8086:24c7 (rev 01)
00:1d.7 Class 0c03: 8086:24cd (rev 01)
00:1e.0 Class 0604: 8086:244e (rev 81)
00:1f.0 Class 0601: 8086:24c0 (rev 01)
00:1f.1 Class 0101: 8086:24cb (rev 01)
00:1f.3 Class 0c05: 8086:24c3 (rev 01)
00:1f.5 Class 0401: 8086:24c5 (rev 01)
01:00.0 Class 0300: 1002:5446
02:01.0 Class 0703: 14e4:4212 (rev 02)
02:02.0 Class 0200: 168c:0013 (rev 01)

# alsaconf -R
/usr/sbin/alsaconf: line 65: 18036 Terminated              yaf-splash -font "8x1                                                              6" -outline 0 -margin 4 -bg orange -text "Running the 'depmod-FULL' utility, please wait...

WARNING:
The 'depmod-FULL' utility has to be run for ALSA Config to work.
Puppy normally runs the Busybox 'depmod' which uses less resources.
The problem is that 'depmod-FULL' hangs on some systems with very
low RAM (64MB or less) -- such a situation is relieved after you
have created a 'pupave' and a swap file/partition."
>>>>> PnP file: /sys/bus/pnp/devices/00:00/resources
state = active
io 0xcf8-0xcff
>>>>> PnP file: /sys/bus/pnp/devices/00:01/resources
state = active
dma 4
io 0x0-0xf
io 0x81-0x83
io 0x87-0x87
io 0x89-0x8b
io 0x8f-0x8f
io 0xc0-0xdf
>>>>> PnP file: /sys/bus/pnp/devices/00:02/resources
state = active
io 0x70-0x71
irq 8
>>>>> PnP file: /sys/bus/pnp/devices/00:03/resources
state = active
io 0x61-0x61
>>>>> PnP file: /sys/bus/pnp/devices/00:04/resources
state = active
io 0xf0-0xff
irq 13
>>>>> PnP file: /sys/bus/pnp/devices/00:05/resources
state = active
io 0x3f8-0x3ff
irq 4
>>>>> PnP file: /sys/bus/pnp/devices/00:06/resources
state = active
io 0x3f0-0x3f1
io 0x3f2-0x3f3
io 0x3f4-0x3f5
io 0x3f7-0x3f7
irq 6
dma 2
>>>>> PnP file: /sys/bus/pnp/devices/00:07/resources
state = active
io 0x378-0x37f
io 0x778-0x77f
irq 7
dma 3
>>>>> PnP file: /sys/bus/pnp/devices/00:08/resources
state = active
io 0x10-0x1f
io 0x22-0x3f
io 0x44-0x5f
io 0x62-0x63
io 0x65-0x6f
io 0x72-0x7f
io 0x80-0x80
io 0x84-0x86
io 0x88-0x88
io 0x8c-0x8e
io 0x90-0x9f
io 0xa2-0xbf
io 0xe0-0xef
io 0x4d0-0x4d1
>>>>> PnP file: /sys/bus/pnp/devices/00:09/resources
state = active
mem 0xffb80000-0xffbfffff
mem 0xfff80000-0xffffffff
>>>>> PnP file: /sys/bus/pnp/devices/00:0a/resources
state = active
io 0x60-0x60
io 0x64-0x64
irq 1
>>>>> PnP file: /sys/bus/pnp/devices/00:0b/resources
state = active
io 0x400-0x47f
io disabled
io 0x680-0x6ff
io 0x480-0x4bf
mem 0xfec00000-0xfec00fff
mem 0xfee00000-0xfee00fff
>>>>> PnP file: /sys/bus/pnp/devices/00:0d/resources
state = active
mem 0x0-0x9ffff
mem 0xc0000-0xdffff
mem 0xe0000-0xfffff
mem 0x100000-0x27ffffff
mem disabled
>>>>> Allocated dma channels:
 2: floppy
 4: cascade
>>>>> Allocated interrupt channels:
           CPU0       
  0:         47   IO-APIC-edge      timer
  1:      23205   IO-APIC-edge      i8042
  4:          1   IO-APIC-edge   
  6:          3   IO-APIC-edge      floppy
  7:          0   IO-APIC-edge      parport0
  9:          0   IO-APIC-fasteoi   acpi
 12:    1049560   IO-APIC-edge      i8042
 14:     149439   IO-APIC-edge      ata_piix
 15:    6503278   IO-APIC-edge      ata_piix
 16:          0   IO-APIC-fasteoi   uhci_hcd:usb2
 17:     353469   IO-APIC-fasteoi   Intel 82801DB-ICH4
 18:    6516043   IO-APIC-fasteoi   uhci_hcd:usb4, ath
 19:          0   IO-APIC-fasteoi   uhci_hcd:usb3
 23:          0   IO-APIC-fasteoi   ehci_hcd:usb1
NMI:          0   Non-maskable interrupts
LOC:   31506405   Local timer interrupts
SPU:          0   Spurious interrupts
RES:          0   Rescheduling interrupts
CAL:          0   Function call interrupts
TLB:          0   TLB shootdowns
TRM:          0   Thermal event interrupts
ERR:          0
MIS:          0
Valid DMA channels: 0 1 5 6 7
Valid IRQ channels: 2 3 5 10 11
#


I've glanced at Patriot's thread on drivers and that looks promising. (http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=51745)

Any suggestions for getting the sound going would be greatly appreciated.

Kind regards,

sd
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cthisbear

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PostPosted: Mon 29 Nov 2010, 15:14    Post subject:  

Maybe an extra step.

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=62477

Retrovol.

Chris.
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spongedaddy


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PostPosted: Mon 29 Nov 2010, 16:47    Post subject:  

Thanks, Chris!

So installing Retrovol and then performing the steps in the referenced thread should help? All I have for a sound icon is the the basic one that normally comes with Puppy.

Regards,

Tom
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cthisbear

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PostPosted: Mon 29 Nov 2010, 19:12    Post subject:  

Retrovol >> is already in multmedia??


Chris.
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spongedaddy


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PostPosted: Mon 29 Nov 2010, 21:34    Post subject:  

Hi Chris,

I didn't have Retrovol in Multimedia so I went ahead and installed it.

I did what was explained in the thread you provided - still no joy.

Tom
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PostPosted: Mon 06 Dec 2010, 13:53    Post subject:  

Bumpity-bump-bump Smile
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cthisbear

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PostPosted: Mon 06 Dec 2010, 17:02    Post subject:  

Should have said >> zmixer.

Sometimes just by clicking on that in multimedia >>

it then activates the sound in Puppy 4.3.1

I have just booted this up to check it out.

And I had issues with Dell laptops next door..no sound.
So I've been there.

So try again.
Boot Puppy >> puppy pfix=ram >>>

for a clean test from cd.

Sorry 4 previous dumb dumb answer.

Chris.
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PostPosted: Tue 26 Apr 2011, 13:09    Post subject:  

Hello again all,

Just an update for anyone interested: Smile

I've battled this sound issue for a while and am ready to give up. Fiddling with Alsa has provided no joy.

I've burned a copy of the retro 4.3.1 because (judging from another thread) that seems to provide sound for the ancient hardware I have and I may give that a try.

Any comments or last-ditch suggestions are appreciated.
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oligin10

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PostPosted: Tue 27 Sep 2011, 00:07    Post subject: Same Here  

Hi, I have the same sound card chip, did you give up on this? I am about ready to, getting really frustrated with Puppy. I had same problem with Wary NOP 511, loses sound every reboot. Those were both on same computer. I have similar problem on a laptop, totally different sound card.
I am just about ready to give up on Puppy completely, as much as I love it, due to these types of issues. They don't seem to occur on other Linux distros, just Puppy. Thanks, Rob
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PostPosted: Tue 27 Sep 2011, 01:04    Post subject:  

Just for the heck of it, can you open menu-multimedia-alsamixer and then use menu-graphics-MPaint- snapshot-screen-capture to take a snapshot of your alsamixer window?
Use the mouse to make a box around the alsamixer window and then select Image - Crop to get the selection. Save it and attach it to a post here so we can see your settings for maybe making a further suggestion.
Some sound cards do not have built in amplification and need to have PCM turned up and also if you have a vertical bar labeled Speaker, make sure it is cranked up also.

If you run Hardinfo, and select PCI or Modules, does it show anything sound related?
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PostPosted: Tue 27 Sep 2011, 11:07    Post subject: thanks  

I will try this either tonight or tomorrow. Problem is that alsa mixer just shows rocketfish webcam after reboot. Then you run alsa wizard again, and it shows actual sound card. It just seems to lose the save file for alsa. I have tried suggestions I have found, but I will post screenshots of what is going on. Thanks again, Rob
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PostPosted: Tue 27 Sep 2011, 19:07    Post subject:  

oligin10, 8-bit, spongedaddy,
I am working on some ALSA problems with lucid pup 5.2.8. Any ALSA fixes to it eventually get propagated back to 4.3.1 (as "4.3.1.1"). Are you using either of those puppies? I am addressing issues with the alsawizard primarily but cannot help with the mixers. Does wary 5.1.4.1 work for you with the sound card?

If any of you care to work with me to see how far we can get with the old sound card, I would be pleased to have you join us.
Richard
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PostPosted: Tue 27 Sep 2011, 20:54    Post subject:  

I have Puppy 431 SCSI that was a test release by Barry and got pulled never to be seen again. It was called "pup-431-scsi-intel_modems.iso".
I do not have any problems with my sound card, I was just chiming in to see if I could help out.
I have a Toshiba Satellite though that I had sound problems with until I realized it had a Speaker bar in alsamixer that was set to zero.
I cranked up the value on it and I then could hear sound from my laptop.
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PostPosted: Tue 27 Sep 2011, 23:14    Post subject: *SOLVED*  

Just figured it out today, after you posted reply. I got thinking, why have I had so many problems with installations on sound when I haven't had problems in past, except with Puppy. This is not a fix for my laptop, which I haven't solved, but for a desktop, which I now have. Problem is Rocketfish Webcam. Alsa seems to only see it on reboot. I disconnected webcam and rebooted, sound persistent. Not sure why this solves it, but it does. Webcam is not going with this desktop, which I am building to give to someone less fortunate. But that fixes problem for this desktop. Now if I can get rest of software to install without any more glitches. Thanks for your reply, got me thinking what else am I missing. After checking alsa mixer output, that's when I realized it was seeing webcam instead of soundcard. Thanks again for your help, Rob
P.S. Thanks Rerwin, I have done full install of NOP 431 on this desktop, which was having the problem. Other computer is a Sony Vaio laptop running TEENpup Mini 2010. It has a similar problem, not exactly the same. It may last for a while, then just stops working. After running alsa wizard, sound is back fine. Problem may be related to improper shutdown. Tried John Biles fix for Legacy OS, but it did not help. TEENpup is based on 4.20. Thanks, Rob
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PostPosted: Wed 28 Sep 2011, 20:01    Post subject:  

8-bit wrote:
I have Puppy 431 SCSI that was a test release by Barry and got pulled never to be seen again. It was called "pup-431-scsi-intel_modems.iso".
That release is still available, just under "special puppies":
ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/puppy-4.3.1/special-puppies/pup-431-k2.6.21.7-scsi-intel_modems.isoI recommend it for anyone making a "complete" puppy with my packages in my "4.3.1.1" project. It includes a special version of remasterpup2 so that a user can collect all desired update packages and the remaster immediately.
Richard
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