Puplite 5.0

[nooby]

Sadly it fails to get my LAN card going. Which is kind of sad.

[sc0ttman]

Sadly it fails to get my LAN card going. Which is kind of sad.

Did you try all the network managers?

If so... Tried this? http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=34159

[nooby]

Yes all three of them.

My experience of SNS is that that one usually always work and also Fluppy have a network program that usually do find a way to get the WAN LAN going.

But Acer D250 most likely do have a Ethernet version that is problematic.

But both failed to find any kind of card. And if I get it puplite shut down the card. it becomes invisible to the programs.

One need to shut down and take out the power plug to get it back and be able to use it in other puppies.

I am in Lupu-518 now and that one had no problem to get the connection going.

[musher0]

HI, sc0ttman,

Your puplite sounds very interesting indeed. Might be just the thing needed to bring back to life a friend's old Celeron 600 PC. I'll give you more feedback later.

In the meatime, as to your wish to :
> - make pmconky appear above desktop wallpaper
I have attached FYI the conky script I use to make conky appear as a regular window. So it obviously is above the backdrop. Also you can fold (shade) it out of the way if you don't need to see the info all the time. It may not be exactly what you are looking for, but I hope it helps or gives you some ideas. The settings for the window behaviour would be more to the top of the script.

A snapshot is included. If you need the text re-translated, just give me a shout.

Keep up the good work! .

[musher0]

Forgot to ask:

I suppose the devx for puppy 4.20 will work with your puplite 1.0?

[musher0]

HI, sc0ttman.

All the best for the New Year, incidentally, to you and all who read this!

Me again! or maybe

I gave your pup a quick try-out and these are my initial impressions:

* fabulous grub opening screen and choices
* I like the "open space" on the desktop and the drive bar
* the choice of browsers

Some things I need getting used to:
* the columns sort in rox instead of simple top-bottom
* xarchiver!
* the closing screen panel to create the pup_save

Disappointed about
* the inability to create a menu bar with rox (improper version number for libxml2.so, apparently; that may be also why you're having trouble showing the conky panel). Maybe you stripped down rox v.2.10 on purpose? In any case, some sort of menu bar is needed (I think) to gain quick access to always used essentials like rxvt, pfind, an editor, the browser. Will wbar or tint work with your setup?

Workarounds I used:
* installed an already unzipped copy of peazip 3.2 that I had (lucky me!) since the included xarchiver did not appear to respond properly
* a copy of icecat 3.9.6 I already had handy. I tried to download it with your browser download utility, and it did. But then PPM indicated that icecat missed lots and lots of libs, whereas icecat is usually a self-contained package; that's strange. The good news is that the latest icecat downloaded from the icecat site works very well in puplite.

In short, I got the impression that puplite is a diamond -- really! -- but still a bit in the rough. And of course my review is very incomplete.

I hope you will receive this as positive criticism.

Sincerely,
musher0

[sc0ttman]

Firstly, yes, the devx_420.sfs is the one to use with this..
I will update the first post with a link to it.

I gave your pup a quick try-out and these are my initial impressions:

* fabulous grub opening screen and choices
* I like the "open space" on the desktop and the drive bar
* the choice of browsers

Glad you like it, I like the GRUB live CDs as well... Looks lovely.. More up to date...

Some things I need getting used to:
* the columns sort in rox instead of simple top-bottom
* xarchiver!
* the closing screen panel to create the pup_save

You can change the ROX options so that icons are not small and vertically listed by default, I like it how it is, but others may not

Disappointed about
* the inability to create a menu bar with rox (improper version number for libxml2.so, apparently;

I don't know what you mean...
Create a menu bar with ROX? Can you give a screenshot?
As far as I've tested the only 'error' with ROX is the fact it reports the lack of a lib xml version (as you said)...
But it didn't appear to actually affect anything...

that may be also why you're having trouble showing the conky panel).

Good suggestion, but goingnuts already found it is the jwm version which matters.. I will roll back jwm to an earlier version to make PMconky work...
And thanks for the conky attachment, I will definitely play with it...
But will probably go with PMconky, as it is sooooo light...

Maybe you stripped down rox v.2.10 on purpose? In any case, some sort of menu bar is needed (I think) to gain quick access to always used essentials like rxvt, pfind, an editor, the browser. Will wbar or tint work with your setup?

I didn't strip ROX of anything, just updated its version and settings... Cos it looks nicer and has more mime types than the previous version..

A menu bar with links to essentials IS included - simply click on the desktop to see it, or the 'Apps' button in the bottom-left...

And yes, Wbar will work fine on Puplite... It may needs a few libs to be installed as well though..

Workarounds I used:
* installed an already unzipped copy of peazip 3.2 that I had (lucky me!) since the included xarchiver did not appear to respond properly

Hmmm.. I never had problems with xarchiver... I used the version ttuuxxx made, which works really well... What was your problem?

* a copy of icecat 3.9.6 I already had handy. I tried to download it with your browser download utility, and it did. But then PPM indicated that icecat missed lots and lots of libs, whereas icecat is usually a self-contained package; that's strange.

I'll check Icecat, which worked fine last time I installed it... (Not on the latest Puplite, but during the build process...).. Firedog and Firefox also report lots of missing libs, but they work fine...

In short, I got the impression that puplite is a diamond -- really! -- but still a bit in the rough. And of course my review is very incomplete.

I hope you will receive this as positive criticism.

Sincerely,
musher0

Thank for the info, it is very much appreciated... I'm gonna double check a few things, and see how we go...

[musher0]

Hello, sc0ttman!

Thanks for your reply.

This is a rox panel (at the bottom of the screen). jemimah also makes it avaiable in her "Fluppy" It's activated with the command

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rox -b=bottom-panel

This one also has some rox-applets: tray, mem counter, cpu activity check, desktops.

xarchiver exited with an error when I wanted to unzip the archive in another directory than the one it was in. (I'm more used to the other one, XArchive; that may be another cause of the problem!)

[sc0ttman]

Hello, sc0ttman!

Thanks for your reply.

This is a rox panel (at the bottom of the screen). jemimah also makes it avaiable in her "Fluppy" It's activated with the command

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rox -b=bottom-panel

OK I created a rox panel, don't know how to edit what goes in it yet, but it loaded fine..

However, to use a ROX panel nicely, you would need to move or disable the jwm tray (edit/rename /root/.jwmrc-tray) and move the drive icons (edit /usr/sbin/create_jwm_drives.sh)

Both of these are do-able, if you are interested in going that way..

[musher0]

Hello, sc0ttman!

Thanks for your reply.

This is a rox panel (at the bottom of the screen). jemimah also makes it avaiable in her "Fluppy" It's activated with the command

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rox -b=bottom-panel

OK I created a rox panel, don't know how to edit what goes in it yet, but it loaded fine..

However, to use a ROX panel nicely, you would need to move or disable the jwm tray (edit/rename /root/.jwmrc-tray) and move the drive icons (edit /usr/sbin/create_jwm_drives.sh)

Both of these are do-able, if you are interested in going that way..

Hi!

Without going into the fuss of moving or disabling stuff, here are a couple of solutions you get through configurations:

to put the rox bar on the left :

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rox -l=left-roxbar

on the right :

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rox -r=right-roxbar

, or
on the top :

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rox -t=top-roxbar

If you choose to keep the roxbar on the bottom, you may want to male the jwm panel disappear and reappear by changing the first line of /root/.jwmrc-tray to:

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<JWM>
	<Tray autohide="true" [...don't touch rest of line...]

You may want to make the above into little scripts, which you'll put in ~/Startup, so you have your rox-bar at each boot.

To populate the rox-bar, you simply drag an icon or a program to it.

For example, say you want to put pfind in the roxbar.

Open rox-filer;
go to /usr/local/pfind;
drag the program "pfind" to the roxbar.

That's it!

Additionnaly, you may want to to add an icon. Right-click on the desired item in the rox-bar: a sub-menu appears. Go up to the 'name-of-item'; another sub-menu appears; go down a bit and click on 'icon". A little window opens: leave it open for now.

Then, use your ROX-Filer and open
/usr/share/pixmaps or
/usr/share/icons or
/usr/local/lib/X11/pixmaps
to find and choose a suitable icon for your program. Drag your icon to the rectangle in the window you have left open. The little icon window will close, and it's done: you now have an icon for your program in the rox-bar. (Incidentally, some programs have ready-made icons, so you don't need to do the above.)

Enjoy!

[sc0ttman]

Thanks musher0, useful info for anyone who wants to enable a ROX menu for their desktop..

[nooby]

Tested again to get out on internet but failed. Tested all three different Network tools.

It works on all the other puppies I ahve installed except for yours and one more. Think it is TXZ that lack the driver needed. Maybe you use same kernel them do?

[sc0ttman]

Tested again to get out on internet but failed. Tested all three different Network tools.

It works on all the other puppies I ahve installed except for yours and one more. Think it is TXZ that lack the driver needed. Maybe you use same kernel them do?

Thanks for checking again nooby,

What about a standard Puppy 4.2? What about TurboPup?
Do they connect to the internet for you? (if you tried already...)

Puplite has a totally standard zdrv (4.2), so Puppy4.2 and TurboPup should also *not* work...
But if Puppy 4.2 works, or TurboPup works, then I will be very surprised, (and I will fix it!!)

[nooby]

I guess me tested these Puppy4.2 and TurboPup one or two years ago. But on another computer.

So I have to download and test them again to answer you

I've tested Puppy4.2 and TurboPup extreme now. Both failed to get internet. they simply don't see my ethernet card on the Acer D250.

I remember vaguely that Barry or somebody did help me get internet way back in 2009 or 2008 and the puppeee was the only one able to get me internet on the Acer?

I am not sure. I think I remember that it is was very difficult to get internet going on D250.

Jolicloud which is a Ubuntu nettop remix that one was the first to manage it for me using linux on that Netbook.

what was the CLI code for knowing what hardware driver one needs?

[sc0ttman]

I guess me tested these Puppy4.2 and TurboPup one or two years ago. But on another computer.

So I have to download and test them again to answer you

I've tested Puppy4.2 and TurboPup extreme now. Both failed to get internet. they simply don't see my ethernet card on the Acer D250.

I am not sure. I think I remember that it is was very difficult to get internet going on D250.

what was the CLI code for knowing what hardware driver one needs?

Thanks for checking nooby, I thought that would be the case, as I didn't remove any drivers..

So, I'm thinking a kernel change, to the Wary kernel, may be a good thing to do for Puplite... Wary also uses Xorg 1.3 (like Puplite)...
(This is my preferred choice...)

Or I could try upgrading to the fluppy kernel, and also upgrading the Xorg version as Fluppys as well (Xorg 1.6 or 1.7, I think...)..

But I am learning as I go about drivers and kernel modules, and am still a total nooby myself!

[nooby]

Upgrading to Fluppy kernel would be best because that one boot Acer Aspire One small Netbooks while Wary and Quirky and Puppy boots now and then and some never.

Snowy Puppy by pemasu he made use of Fluppy and maybe iguleder on his Inpu also did.

Snowy also always boot so that is a good thing.

Oooooops very naive question.

On other puppies not your puplite yet but on others I have made use of a Firefox .mozilla directory placed on mnt/home and that way It keeps the bookmarks and set up and so on from puppy to puppy. One only have to make a symlink back to the root from mnt/home and

Could I not do something similar for the way one get access to the Ethernet card. or are these things buried too many layers deep and not reachable from outside?

[raffy]

Great job!

I noticed that the screen saver is not on - is this intentional, or perhaps is it because my Intel (Atom combo board) graphics is not supported in Xorg?

[nancy reagan]

Hi Sc0ttman and all other Puppians first of: Happy and Healthy New Year

Like your new Puppy, kinda Lucid.

Some questions and remarks though.

R Miss the icon with the desklight-ico with which you can go straight to desktop. from within an app..

R Miss the numbers of the drive icons on desktop

R Edit: Disks are not shown as mounted or not with me.

Besides I miss the nice menu you had in your 1st Firedog.

R No boot options are shown on bootup.

(Full install on usb -on hub- starting from cd.)

R Miss menu entry for SFS converter.

(Just "came across it" by browsing for something else).


Q When booting on my very old Toshiba Tecra, which I use most of the time, after hitting the OK button for the mouse, it reports something like "starting X with video mode o xo 114 and mouse tty s0", Similar when I tried to launch Teenpup.

This book only runs xorg. Anyway to avoid this ?

(Tried to make a personal save file on other book on usb and thus, but prefer to go straight. This Tosh only does xorg.)

Q1 Is there a way to go straight to xorgwizard ? - with no boot options ?


Tried sfs converter.

Dragged and dropped the sfs on the icon. Then tick the sfs convert icon. Then msg pops up where I tick the X (in a box), Then the msg screen turns blank and "mksquashfs" black screen turns up, but nothing happens, no messages whatsoever.

Q2 What do I do wrong ?

[sc0ttman]

On other puppies not your puplite yet but on others I have made use of a Firefox .mozilla directory placed on mnt/home and that way It keeps the bookmarks and set up and so on from puppy to puppy. One only have to make a symlink back to the root from mnt/home and

Could I not do something similar for the way one get access to the Ethernet card. or are these things buried too many layers deep and not reachable from outside?

That would mean mixing kernel drivers from different kernels (potentially), so would not work.

What would be lovely (but surely impossible) is having 1 kernel (of your choice) which boots any puppy you tell it to...
Not gonna happen anytime soon I think, but we dream, right?

[sc0ttman]

Great job!

I noticed that the screen saver is not on - is this intentional, or perhaps is it because my Intel (Atom combo board) graphics is not supported in Xorg?

I think the screensaver was disabled by synth way back when this was TurboPup...
(The first ever Puppy I used was 4.2.1, but I didn't like the bling, so quickly turned to TurboPup, and have built stuff using TurboPup as my base ever since..

So actually, I have never seen the screensaver - I always turn my monitor off, as soon as I stop using it...