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#31 Post by TheAsterisk! »

DaveS wrote:Small but crucial point... if you need to print from you browser, stuff like Boarding Passes, receipts etc., dont bother with Opera. Its hopeless.......
Why do you say that? I'm using a different dot-pet, but printing works just fine for me from Opera. (EDIT: I should specify- Opera 11.00, Lucid 511.)
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#32 Post by DaveS »

TheAsterisk! wrote:
DaveS wrote:Small but crucial point... if you need to print from you browser, stuff like Boarding Passes, receipts etc., dont bother with Opera. Its hopeless.......
Why do you say that? I'm using a different dot-pet, but printing works just fine for me from Opera.
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#33 Post by DaveS »

TheAsterisk! wrote:
DaveS wrote:Small but crucial point... if you need to print from you browser, stuff like Boarding Passes, receipts etc., dont bother with Opera. Its hopeless.......
Why do you say that? I'm using a different dot-pet, but printing works just fine for me from Opera.
Here is a typical sample:

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So what is that about then!
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#34 Post by TheAsterisk! »

DaveS wrote:So what is that about then!
I think I may have discovered what I'm doing differently (without even thinking about it) that gives me better results.
I save webpages as MHTML files, then later open those and then print everything I need at once. It seems to make a difference.

I've attached a wonky PDF that's printed/exported directly from a view of the forum, and then I've attached a PDF printed from a saved *.mht of the same thread page. (They're both in an archive, since the forum doesn't allow PDF attachments.) The "bad" direct-print copy isn't as dramatic as your example, but there is a noticeable difference.

I'm going to go try it out on a few other sites and see if saving to *.mht files before printing might not be a decent work-around.

EDIT: I tried it out on Techrights.org, and it seemed to help preserve the site layout there, too. Images were a little low-res, but not distorted or marred like your screenshot.
Opera's printing still won't win any awards for image fidelity, but it's better than nothing.

Might want to give this method a try. Nothing to lose, after all.
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#35 Post by Henry »

Hello,

I just posted the following here, which appeared but seems to have been removed. I recovered it from "view my posts." Mystified, what happened?

Henry
I went to the Opera support site and picked one of the many strings on printing problems:

http://my.opera.com/community/forums/to ... ?id=783492

Take a moment to read this and you won't be looking in Puppy for the problem.

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#36 Post by Henry »

Hello,

I just posted the following here, which appeared but seems to have been removed. I recovered it from "view my posts." Mystified, what happened?

Henry
I went to the Opera support site and picked one of the many strings on printing problems:

http://my.opera.com/community/forums/to ... ?id=783492

Take a moment to read this and you won't be looking in Puppy for the problem.

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#37 Post by DaveS »

Henry.. I guess you can see your posts are blank. Using Opera? :)
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#38 Post by Henry »

DaveS wrote:Henry.. I guess you can see your posts are blank. Using Opera? :)
Yes, my published post was deleted, and attempts to repeat it were blanked. I don't know what's going on. Perhaps a moderator is playing games. Wish someone would explain.

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#39 Post by Bert »

Henry wrote:Hello,

I just posted the following here, which appeared but seems to have been removed. I recovered it from "view my posts." Mystified, what happened?

Henry
I went to the Opera support site and picked one of the many strings on printing problems:



Take a moment to read this and you won't be looking in Puppy for the problem.
This is what I see, when clicking "quote" on your first post and remove the link in your text. Some links cause trouble in the forum it seems..
[url=http://pupsearch.weebly.com/][img]http://pupsearch.weebly.com/uploads/7/4/6/4/7464374/125791.gif[/img][/url]
[url=https://startpage.com/do/search?q=host%3Awww.murga-linux.com%2F][img]http://i.imgur.com/XJ9Tqc7.png[/img][/url]

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#40 Post by Henry »

Bert wrote: This is what I see, when clicking "quote" on your first post and remove the link in your text. Some links cause trouble in the forum it seems..
Thanks, Bert, but this does not explain it for me. The message I originally posted has appeared, disappeared, my followups appeared with the body removed, my original message again appeared without the followups and later disappeared, the followups returning. Nothing like this has ever happened in my previous 600 some posts. I've wasted too much time on it; I don't like it. Let's see if this post survives.

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#41 Post by Bert »

Yes, this post survived :wink:

I again clicked "quote" on your last post and it was there in 'preview'. Then I added the opera link from your first post and it became invisible in 'preview'.

So, maybe there's more to it, but the link certainly plays a role.
Hope this gets solved!
[url=http://pupsearch.weebly.com/][img]http://pupsearch.weebly.com/uploads/7/4/6/4/7464374/125791.gif[/img][/url]
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#42 Post by DaveS »

Maybe the Opera guys are hiding something :)
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#43 Post by Bert »

http://my.opera.com/community/forums/to ... ?id=783492

Think I found the cause:

In the original empty post, the link had a space between' id=783492' and '[/url]'. Removing that space, makes the link and the post visible.
[url=http://pupsearch.weebly.com/][img]http://pupsearch.weebly.com/uploads/7/4/6/4/7464374/125791.gif[/img][/url]
[url=https://startpage.com/do/search?q=host%3Awww.murga-linux.com%2F][img]http://i.imgur.com/XJ9Tqc7.png[/img][/url]

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#44 Post by Bert »

This one is for Dave :lol:

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[url=https://startpage.com/do/search?q=host%3Awww.murga-linux.com%2F][img]http://i.imgur.com/XJ9Tqc7.png[/img][/url]

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#45 Post by DaveS »

Bert wrote:This one is for Dave :lol:

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LOL... Brilliant!
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#46 Post by mikeslr »

Hi all,
I rarely print from any browser, and have never tried from Opera. And now that someone's mentioned it, I recall a problem with html files saved using Opera. I'll keep TheAsterisk!'s MHTML suggestion in mind. Thanks.
But although Opera is my first choice of browsers, one of the reasons I retain/install Firefox is that it has a "Save as PDF" Addon. So what I usually do when I run across a webpage I want to keep is open Firefox, copy the webpage address from Opera into Firefox's Address Bar, open to that page in Firefox, and use "Save as PDF." I guess you could alternatively use Firefox's superior printing facility.

During the last couple of days I've been experimenting with DaveS's Foxyfun, with a view toward developing an extra_distro's Pet if DaveS didn't.
The result was that I have five Puplets using, via symlinks, the same .mozilla folder so that there's only one set of setting preferences, addons and bookmarks. Creating an extra_distro's pet appears to be fairly easy. Except for one thing. I began experimenting before my over-indulgence in New Year's consumption had dissipated.(':oops:') Not realizing that DaveS had included a .mozilla folder within /mnt/home/browsers --well it was a hidden(':o') -- I created a different .mozilla folder to which all appropriate symlinks pointed.
The best thing for me to do is start from scratch. But now that I have everything working well on my test-Linux computer, I am reluctant to use it for this experiment: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." So I installed Playdaz's Lupu-519 and 01micko's sPup-053 on my "main computer" --the one I rarely get to use-- and have installed Foxyfun pet in Lupu-519, with the view to developing the extra-distos pet on sPup-053. Neither of those Puplets have Firefox pre-installed, making it easier to track modifications.

@ DaveS, a couple of questions and recommendations:

FoxyFun is your pet, and you're more experienced than I in this area, especially as you've developed the Opera_extra_distros pet, So if you intend to develop a FoxyFun_extra_distros pet in the near future, I'll defer to your expertise and assist in any way that I can. But as I mentioned before I really think this is an important project worth pursuing. For those of us who run or test various Puplets, when it comes to internet browsers --as they'll be put to frequent use regardless of which Puplet we boots into-- mnt/home program-folders are far superior to SFSes. So let me know if you have time in the near future to work on the extra_distro's pet, especially if you think my SECOND and THIRD suggestions regarding the modifications of the FoxyFun pet are possible and worth pursuing. Those are far beyond my ability.
1) As it is now constructed, installing FoxyFun creates the "browsers" folder in mnt/home. The name is too generic. I'd recommend something like "Foxyfun" or "FoxyHome."
2) As it is now constructed, FoxyFun creates the .mozilla folder in the "browsers" folder. Would it be possible to create a FFoxConfig Folder on mnt/home, and move .mozilla into it? See my discussion a couple posts back regarding the ease with which Iron can be upgraded when the "config" files are kept separate.
3) As it is now constructed, FoxyFun creates a symlink in / to its .mozilla folder. Would it be possible to change the name of the .mozilla folder and the symlink, or at least the name of the symlink? As you can't have a file and a symlink or two symlinks with the same name, in the same folder, I suspect problems would arise if someone had or subsequently installed another Firefox and wanted to keep both, or wanted to test a Firefox SFS. And doesn't Seamonkey also use the .mozilla folder? Or maybe it would be possible to have the symlink other than in /?
4) To distinguish it from other firefox installations, the desktop files should have a unique name, such as FoxyFun. So that it not become lost at the bottom of the Internet Submenu, the first letter should continue to be capitalized.
5) Its icon should be recognizable as, but distinct from, that of Firefox. I've attached one I found on the web that you might consider.
I installed Foxyfun on the Lupu-519 mentioned above. It opened to the index page of this forum. Did you set that as its "Home Page?"

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#47 Post by Henry »

Bert wrote:http://my.opera.com/community/forums/to ... ?id=783492

Think I found the cause:

In the original empty post, the link had a space between' id=783492' and '[/url]'. Removing that space, makes the link and the post visible.
Apologies for the confusion that I caused. Embarrassing! But Here's what really happened:

I successfully sent the original post to Opera Question with the correct Opera URL to http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=63578 and it's still there.

When I went back to check in the early morning fog I searched for "opera print"and got Opera 11 at mnt/home .pet Here, which I did not notice was a different DaveS Opera thread! I concluded my post had disappeared. I also apparently inserted a space typo when I cut and pasted to "resend" to Opera 11 at mnt/home .pet Here

I'm surprised that the Forum totally blanks the body of a message if it detects a URL error.

Sorry to belabor this, but I didn't want to leave it hanging unexplained. Thanks for your patience. I must be getting too old for this. ;-)

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#48 Post by DaveS »

Mike.. the icon is great thanks. If you want to do firefox@mnthome, please, go for it. BUT. It is fraught with problems, some of which I will outline in a moment.
With regard to having a container folder at mnt/home which I called browsers, the thinking behind that was simply to keep everything in one place. On my own system, that folder contains firefox, seamonkey, and opera, along with all their profiles. this was how I saw the project progressing, but it is only my personal take.
Now on to firefox. Two HUGE problems. First, it requires dbus, which some puppies have, some do not. Sure, there are versions compiled which do not need dbus, but using one of those will break the autoupdate function. Secondly, the folder .mozilla. This folder cant be re-named. It is created by Mozilla products if it does not exist, when they first run, and is where the user preferences, extensions etc. are stored. Some Puppies have it, some do not. The .mozilla folder is set up at present to contain subfolders named for each program, seamonkey, firefox etc., so you need to know in advance what is there and what is not. The last thing we want to do is overwrite someones carefully constructed profile folder.
Opera was simpler, mainly because it does not need any extra deps, but also because fewer people have it installed, and those that do tend to be at the tech savvy end anyway.
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#49 Post by mikeslr »

Hi DaveS,

Your explanation clarified that (a) the .mozilla folder could not be moved from / or renamed and (b) some derivatives --not already having, or having a different version of-- dbus might require it. Additionally, I had found that if the firefox script (found in /mnt/home/browsers/firefox was run on a "virgin" system it would create the .mozilla folder in /.
After your explanation of the "browsers" folder in mnt/home I realized it was a good idea. Firstly, it caused me to reconsider my concern about ease of upgrading. My best guess from experience is that an upgrade of Firefox via Firefox's upgrade will take place regardless of whether Firefox is located within or outside of the SaveFile & OS. And even upgrading by overwriting a Pet will, most likely, not effect the .mozilla folder housing bookmarks and preferences. Placing Seamonkey in the "browser" folder eliminates the problem of trying to have two .mozilla folders, and even if left in the SaveFile-OS, it will still find its settings.
I doubt that there is a satisfactory solution to the dbus concern now that Puppy no longer employs dotpups. Dotpups could run "pre-install" scripts to test conditions and exit, with a message, if they weren't found. As it stands, the best we could do is provide a warning, perhaps a script to test for the pre-existence of a compatible dbus, and a separate pet where possible. Those who "fail" the test may have to resort to standard pets or SFSes.
Edit: pfind will reveal absence/presence of dbus and its libs.
Having accepted what couldn't be changed, and after muddling around with alternatives (runz & portable under wine) for over an hour, and because I was familiar with how you setup Opera_mnt_home, the question suddenly dawned on me: What would happen if the firefox script were run from My-Applications and found a .mozilla already in /? So I symlinked the .mozilla folder from /mnt/home/browsers/ into / and the firefox script from /mnt/home/browsers/firefox into My-Applications/bin, and clicked the latter symlink. Firefox ran successfully. An examination of / revealed that it had not overridden the .mozilla symlink. Rather, it followed it finding .mozilla in "browser."
I have since successfully imported bookmarks and added Addons. Placing the blue-firefox.png in My-Applications/bin, I then went into /usr/share/applications, opened Opera.desktop as text, saved it as FoxyFox.desktop, edited as appropriate, but especially to point to the firefox script symlink and png in My-Applications/bin as its exec and icon.
The attached snapshot was taken when I started this post.
Other than as mentioned above, the only other limitations I can see is that people having a pre-existing Firefox and/or Seamonkey would have to --before starting FoxyFox-- move their existing .mozilla from / to "browsers" and symlink it back. And of course, copy it elsewhere if they decide to delete the "browsers" folder.
Which brings me back to Opera_mnt_home. Unless I screwed it up in my experimenting, the pet now installs to its own "Opera" folder. In the interest of consistency, perhaps it should install to "browsers." I'm certain that Iron could be so configured, and think if anyone wanted to create a Seamonkey_mnt_home pet, it could be, as well. Consistency makes life easier.

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