Wary Puppy 5.0-final feedback

[peebee]

Since the wifi in Puppy 5.15 Beta works on my old Vaio laptop (see post above), but the wifi in Wary 5.0 does not "associate" using this laptop, I decided to try to switch the kernel in Wary 5.0 like in this post (http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=60180). I was able to switch the kernels and get Wary 5.0 to boot with the 5.15 Beta kernel, but now I don't see any of the wifi drivers in the Network Manager!

Is there some other stuff (besides that detailed in the "How To" post) that I should move from 5.15 into Wary to make this work? I am not sure about what all the wifi dependencies are from one Puppy to the next.

Thanks,
-Aaron

Hi Aaron

A quick first question - if lupu works for you, why do you need to get wary working as well? Is there some feature of wary that is missing in lupu that you want?

Next can you say what your wifi setup consists of and what the exact errors you are seeing on wary?

Have you tried going through the manual steps in http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=22469 to setup the wifi on wary? This would give clues as to where the problem lies.

When you swapped kernels did you replace the /lib/network folder as described in the later posts in the topic?

This may not be the ideal thread for this discussion as it is meant to be to report bugs in wary..... if you move it elsewhere please let us know.

Cheers
Peter

[chrome307]

Similar problem with detecting audio card on a different PC:



However on a positive note did managed to get my i810 gfx working only after I looked for the additional package available in the reps for this card.

xf86-video-i810-2.1.1-w5.pet

Finally could not get to use my ATi gfx card, even though I tried all the additonal pets available in the rep for this brand

[abushcrafter]

win (Super/Hyper/Meta) hotkeys don't work. They did in "4.3.*". To enable the win key. Set the keyboard model to "pc104". The hotkeys were set using JWM. If I use XBindkeys, I can the have win hotkeys.

[amc]

Hi Peter:

The reason that I wanted to try Wary is the Lupu runs kind of slow on the Vaio. I thought that Wary, since it is intended for older machines, might be a little snappier. In fact it is snapper, but it is not a fair comparison since the wifi stack is not running under Wary and it is under Lupu.

I did move the /lib/network folder as described in the thread.

You're right, this may not be the best place in the forum to discuss this. I'm new here and I was not sure what the community considers a "bug". To me, the wifi working with one recent version of puppy and not another, across multiple machines, seems like a bug. Perhaps the network stack in Wary is not intended to handle the particulars of my wifi network (hidden ESSID, WPA-TKIP). I wanted to swap the kernels mostly as a test. For what it is worth. I have tried both a USB and a PCMCIA wifi adapter with the Viao, and well as the build-in wifi on another laptop running Wary, and none of them connect to my network. So the indications are that this is not a hardware/driver problem, but something more general in the network stack.

I have not gone through the manual configuration steps. Thanks for the link, that is the next thing to try. I'll start another topic under bugs when I find something.

Thanks for the help,
-Aaron

[rcrsn51]

The reason that I wanted to try Wary is the Lupu runs kind of slow on the Vaio. I thought that Wary, since it is intended for older machines, might be a little snappier. In fact it is snapper, but it is not a fair comparison since the wifi stack is not running under Wary and it is under Lupu.

Try Quirky 1.3. It is light-weight like Wary, but has a newer kernel. Do NOT get Quirky 1.4!

[scsijon]

Finally could not get to use my ATi gfx card, even though I tried all the additonal pets available in the rep for this brand

did you try the xorg-high-lucid pet?

try adding it and doing this:

installing the xorg-high pet, dropping out of the x server (menu>shutdown>exit to prompt) and then typing "xorgwizard" and following the prompts >probe>set screen size (accept defaults or change to screensize wanted) and complete the setup back to a #, then type xwin. I am now set up correctly.

It fixed my radeon problem (would only allow xvesa), good glxgears too now.

regards
scsijon

[DaveS]

The reason that I wanted to try Wary is the Lupu runs kind of slow on the Vaio. I thought that Wary, since it is intended for older machines, might be a little snappier. In fact it is snapper, but it is not a fair comparison since the wifi stack is not running under Wary and it is under Lupu.

Try Quirky 1.3. It is light-weight like Wary, but has a newer kernel. Do NOT get Quirky 1.4!

x2

[Billtoo]

I made a pet of Ltris, a falling blocks game.
Compiled and tested in Wary 5.0

[Billtoo]

There seems to be a problem uploading anything to the forum.

It's working again,thankyou John.

[rodin.s]

Detailed description of the problem is here: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=62131
Last Wary that I can run OK on that PC is Wary-0.3. It has hda-kernel. I want to run Puppy-5.0 on that. It has sda-kernel. Is it possible to make hda-kernel for Wary-5.0?
PuppyRus-2.0 retro has such kernel (same version but with hda). But it is unstable and I like Wary more.

[ttuuxxx]

Hi Barry I compiled The latest Scribus, Its very large due to the plugins, I used a static QT 4 I compiled on 2.14X, Kind of cool that it works on Wary. The pet scribus-1.3.9-i386.pet is 213MB, lol 492MB expanded and that's after its been stripped, did you want the pet, I could upload it. If not I understand its kind or really big.
I also compiled a few other static qt apps that are pretty good.
I'll upload those later.
ttuuxxx

[broomdodger]

Try Quirky 1.3. It is light-weight like Wary, but has a newer kernel. Do NOT get Quirky 1.4!

Please explain the "Do NOT get Quirky 1.4".
-Bill

[DaveS]

Try Quirky 1.3. It is light-weight like Wary, but has a newer kernel. Do NOT get Quirky 1.4!

Please explain the "Do NOT get Quirky 1.4".
-Bill

Quirky 1.3 is (was) cutting edge. Quirky 1.4 is basically Wary with a fancy name. Personally, I dont believe it deserves a Quirky name! BUT. There are plans for a new cutting edge Quirky

[BarryK]

Hi Barry I compiled The latest Scribus, Its very large due to the plugins, I used a static QT 4 I compiled on 2.14X, Kind of cool that it works on Wary. The pet scribus-1.3.9-i386.pet is 213MB, lol 492MB expanded and that's after its been stripped, did you want the pet, I could upload it. If not I understand its kind or really big.
I also compiled a few other static qt apps that are pretty good.
I'll upload those later.
ttuuxxx

Oh man, that is big! I would not want it as a PET, but it might be ok as an SFS.

[ttuuxxx]

Here's 2 static qt apps, I'll post more tomorrow
one is called scythiaFTP, its basically a cute and simple ftp client.
http://www.smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/Wary/So ... 2-i386.pet <--application
http://www.smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/Wary/So ... 2-i386.pet <--docs

next is smplayer, smplayer is gui for Mplayer, so you need to have mplayer installed for this to work. This Gui is probably the best gui of all media players, its layout is nice and clean and has buttons for things like subtitles etc. Fullscreen works on jwm, if you stop the movie, set it fullscreen and then start the movie.

http://www.smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/Wary/So ... 8-i386.pet <--application
http://www.smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/Wary/So ... 8-i386.pet <--doc's

[BarryK]

Hi Barry I compiled The latest Scribus, Its very large due to the plugins, I used a static QT 4 I compiled on 2.14X, Kind of cool that it works on Wary. The pet scribus-1.3.9-i386.pet is 213MB, lol 492MB expanded and that's after its been stripped, did you want the pet, I could upload it. If not I understand its kind or really big.
I also compiled a few other static qt apps that are pretty good.
I'll upload those later.
ttuuxxx

I compiled it! The PET is 10.5MB, needs the Qt4 pkg:

http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02071

I am just about to knock down the size of that qt4 pkg.

[technosaurus]

yeah - I hate applications with plugins that are included in the package - especially when they could just be a configurable option... instead it makes the static compile gigantic (even worse with c++ and moreso with Qt)
The only thing I have found to mitigate them in existing DEVXes is to compile with -ffunction-sections and -fdata-sections, then link with -Wl,--gc-sections
Recent builds of gcc allow -flto which is slightly better but makes your static libs huge (contains gimple info for later linking) but typically significantly smaller shared libs and binaries - requires building gcc with libelf (which is not directly supported in T2 or even LFS)

[ttuuxxx]

double post

[ttuuxxx]

Here's the Latest VLC, I converted the extra kde quickstarts in the menu to work on JWM, This version has lots of extras libs included to give you a wider range of video formats and options.
It needs Barry's latest QT located at
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... 5.3-w5.pet
and the VLC package is located at http://www.smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/Wary/So ... 5-i386.pet
If you want the dev, doc, nls just ask and I'll build the 3 packages.
ttuuxxx

Here's the extras not needed to run VLC but to compile it and also the doc's and locales
http://www.smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/Wary/So ... .5-DEV.pet <-- lots of dev files for compiling
http://www.smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/Wary/So ... 5-i386.pet <-- docs for reading about VLC only
http://www.smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/Wary/So ... 5-i386.pet <-- other than English language support files

[JorgenS]

Hi Barry!

I read Your comments on smplayer on the blog. I have been using smplayer 0.6.9 from the wary repository. I change the smplayer.desktop file to start smplayer instead of the script smplayershell. I first tried to change the script but then just bypassed it. Smplayer, itself have worked nicely for me.

JorgenS