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yorkiesnorkie


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PostPosted: Tue 22 Mar 2011, 10:33    Post subject:  

This thread prompted me to go and do some reading. There seems to be no little resentment from a certain blogging segment regarding the vulnerabilities that Windows has, and wishing Linux shared them so that they could say "aha, told you so!"

I agree, backup is important, so is awareness when surfing, what features are turned on in browsers such as flash and javascript. I have these turned off for the most part myself. I've been using Opera and turn them on only when I need them. I ran the firewall, and checked to see how stealthy puppy is. I've been impressed and happy with Puppy myself.

The truly paranoid should run from the live CD if they want a pristine OS. Smile

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Mar 2011, 10:50    Post subject:  

I found this article on wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware

Actually, this article below from 2003 is kind of interesting as well because it sets out much of the differences between the Windows and Linux OS and why virus and trojans propagate easily on Windows but confront difficulty on a Linux OS. Kind of ancient history though...

http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/188

What is interesting, (not that I want to start yet another run as root discussion, is that despite "Lindows" (which the author criticized for running as root) and we can include Puppy there, no crisis has manifested itself. Lindows is ancient history...

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Mar 2011, 10:52    Post subject:  

Quote:

yorkiesnorkie wrote:
... The truly paranoid should run from the live CD if they want a pristine OS. Smile ...
I don't know who pays for the label.
Note: my sentence shows giving the attention only to one sentence.


Arrow An article about rootkit:
Quote:
http://www.linux-networks.net/Sams-Linux.Firewalls.Third.Edition/0672327716/ch10lev1sec2.html

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Mar 2011, 11:23    Post subject:  

postfs1 wrote:
yorkiesnorkie wrote:
... The truly paranoid should run from the live CD if they want a pristine OS. Smile ...
I don't know who pays for the label.

Question You lost me Smile

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Mar 2011, 11:27    Post subject:  

postfs1 wrote:
yorkiesnorkie wrote:
... The truly paranoid should run from the live CD if they want a pristine OS. Smile ...
I don't know who pays for the label.

Arrow An article about rootkit:
Quote:
http://www.linux-networks.net/Sams-Linux.Firewalls.Third.Edition/0672327716/ch10lev1sec2.html


Thanks for the link by the way, I use ClamAV, and I'll be interested to see what this turns up.

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Mar 2011, 12:42    Post subject:  

All I can say is that any .pet/sfs/iso etc I produce for the puppy community you can trust, And if you can't trust must me then probably you should compile/package/build/configure it yourself. I sure has heck wouldn't be running to MS, for help. lol There are a few of us well seasoned puppy users you can trust, usually as a rule people with over 462 for yorkiesnorkie Smile only, everybody else 1000 !!! Smile post are pretty proven by then.
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PostPosted: Tue 22 Mar 2011, 12:51    Post subject:  

Very Happy Hello,
Thats part of the beauty of Linux...its open.
If you arent sure, open it up and take a look inside and see what it does...
Try that with an .exe file.....

And anything I code prob has enough bugs without adding a virus... Shocked

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Mar 2011, 14:34    Post subject:  

Crap, 538 posts to go before I'm legit! Wink
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PostPosted: Tue 22 Mar 2011, 18:13    Post subject:  

Lobster wrote:

It takes me about 15 minutes to set Puppy up from scratch with my preferred programs and pets and so on.

It's a bit late to reply but it’s taking me a while to catch up with all the posts on this forum. I find this interesting. Mostly by random chance Wary 500 was the first Pup I downloaded. It took me a month and over 200 hours to get it the way I liked it. I installed 35 pets (mostly tiny and some just cosmetic) and probably more than that number of debs and rpms. I made hundreds of changes, nearly all cosmetic.

The first couple of weeks before I had any idea what I was doing I just clicked on a pet and let Puppy do its thing. That means I don’t have a copy of the original pet on my computer and would have to find and download it again to use it with another version of Puppy. Now, of course, I save a pet before I install it.

I downloaded Lucid 520 about two weeks ago and I like the looks of it better than Wary (but I’m not sure about the substance yet; it may just be cosmetic appeal). No way do I think it would be worth another 200 hours to get it the way I want it. It wouldn’t take anywhere near that long but it would certainly take more than 15 minutes. I’ve now made a list of the 35 pets monitored by the package manager but I don’t have a list of the debs and rpms I installed. I wouldn’t know something was missing until I tried to do something and found it was something I installed and not part of Puppy.

Something else Puppy did (besides luring me away from Windows) was revive my interest in Linux. I’m not only continuing to play with Puppy but I “upgraded” DSL from 2.0rc1 to 4.4.10 and Knoppix from 5.0.1 to 6.4.3 and portions of Debian 3.1 to the current 6-something. I moved from Mepis 3.3 to 8.5, a BIG change. I’m still tweaking it both cosmetically and functionally. I also took anther look at the current PCLinuxOS that I liked years ago and I looked at all the tiny <200MB distros I could find. I switched my multiple bootup from lilo to the native Windows dual bootup that points in turn to a grub4dos boot. I made cosmetic changes with some nice wallpaper in grub and I have some distros loading with new splash screens. I also starting using scripts, something I never did before, but after years of BASIC they’re simple. I need scripts to start everything I want in Knoppix.

I still think it would take many hours to get Lucid up to where I have Wary with little value gained. I also don’t see any need to “upgrade” Wary any time soon. I used Mepis 3.3 for five years, Debian Sarge for five years and XP for more than five years. I don’t do updates or upgrades just because they’re new. Most “upgrades” create more problems than they solve.
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If someone has been able to access my hard drive to download all my secrets
(they are in /mnr/nome/secrets_sardine_details/ - now everyone knows)
then I will not feel too shell shocked and jelly fish a-wobbled . . .

Hmm.

/mnr/nome/secrets_sardine_details/
No such file or directory.

Maybe that should be mnt/home instead of mnr/nome? I really want to see your secrets. Smile

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Mar 2011, 19:52    Post subject:  

Very Happy Hello,
The .debs you install, at least on Lupu series Puppy (5+) are logged alongside the .pets in /root/.packages....

Yes, always save a pet B4 installing it...If it needs fixing, you can untar it, fix it, and try again...

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Mar 2011, 16:02    Post subject:  

postfs1 wrote:
Quote:

yorkiesnorkie wrote:
... The truly paranoid should run from the live CD if they want a pristine OS. Smile ...
I don't know who pays for the label.
Note: my sentence shows giving the attention only to one sentence.


Arrow An article about rootkit:
Quote:
http://www.linux-networks.net/Sams-Linux.Firewalls.Third.Edition/0672327716/ch10lev1sec2.html


This tool you recommended is damn near useless. It identifies a bunch of false positives right from the get go, which makes it useless as a diagnostic tool for the average user.

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Mar 2011, 17:55    Post subject:  

I tasted two versions of Firestarter firewall in Quirky Linux - 1.40.
Arrow The old version have opened the entrance for murga-linux.com in the case when there was no permissions to get into computer.
Arrow The second version of firewall several times showed to me a text lines that my computer initiates connection to another remote computer which is not belong to me. By the way, before use of OS i execute command kill -9 `pidof cupsd`.

If the strange, active kid who is in search of remote machines does exist, then the closed door is not a bad solution i think.

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Mar 2011, 18:41    Post subject:  

yorkiesnorkie wrote:
Crap, 538 posts to go before I'm legit! Wink

Updated my above post, now your ok to post Smile
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PostPosted: Wed 23 Mar 2011, 20:55    Post subject:  

What is this ttuuxxx? You lowered the bar! I was frantically posting as many posts as I can to meet this 1000 limit and now you lowered it ! Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed 23 Mar 2011, 21:00    Post subject:  

Quote:
Maybe that should be mnt/home instead of mnr/nome? I really want to see your secrets.


Pah,
my security has been breached . . .
ah well . . . Wink

OK it is important to understand how and why people run Puppy the way they do.
For many years Barry adopted a policy of delivering a new - and I mean radically new
Puppy every six weeks. A lot of it practically single handed.
Pure penguin perspicacity.
No Linux or developer is fast enough after that.
Puppy is more geeky than the average but not totally command line feverish.

It took me a year or two to realize that Puppy does not need to be installed to HD
but it was always clear that Barry and those early developers were trustworthy.
I liked to have a pristine Internet connected Linux set up in 3 minutes.

Puppy Lucid does it now - direct to desktop with a few simple mouse clicks you are done.
Puppy Lucid however is more complex and I have more needs and expectations.
For example look and feel - now I customise, that takes a while.
Browser choice is great but takes time.
And Quickpet has so much I now consider essential . . .
So much to try . . .
Bit torrent, chat program, desktop recorder.
So the 15 minutes can quickly extend into an hour.

There are programs such as Mtpaint, Geany, gFTP
and many others that I know and expect to just work.

I don't encrypt my save file, run pets with a process viewer open
and fear of others as a way of 'being safe'.

I consider an installed Linux with thousands of obscure programs
has far more potential for worry but even those I would run
as root and be safer than the Windows compromise.

Puppy has given me the confidence to trust the real hacker,
the real vulnerability and that has always been me
messing about . . .

Why not have fun? [it is more fun]
You want to be serious? Install and trust LibreOffice.pet
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=65918
Now you have some serious power . . .

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