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yorkiesnorkie
 Joined: 04 Jun 2007 Posts: 505 Location: George's Island |
This thread prompted me to go and do some reading. There seems to be no little resentment from a certain blogging segment regarding the vulnerabilities that Windows has, and wishing Linux shared them so that they could say "aha, told you so!" I agree, backup is important, so is awareness when surfing, what features are turned on in browsers such as flash and javascript. I have these turned off for the most part myself. I've been using Opera and turn them on only when I need them. I ran the firewall, and checked to see how stealthy puppy is. I've been impressed and happy with Puppy myself. The truly paranoid should run from the live CD if they want a pristine OS. 
Yorkie
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yorkiesnorkie
Joined: 04 Jun 2007 Posts: 505 Location: George's Island |
I found this article on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware Actually, this article below from 2003 is kind of interesting as well because it sets out much of the differences between the Windows and Linux OS and why virus and trojans propagate easily on Windows but confront difficulty on a Linux OS. Kind of ancient history though... http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/188 What is interesting, (not that I want to start yet another run as root discussion, is that despite "Lindows" (which the author criticized for running as root) and we can include Puppy there, no crisis has manifested itself. Lindows is ancient history... Yorkie _________________ www.busygamemaster.com Last edited by yorkiesnorkie on Tue 22 Mar 2011, 11:54; edited 2 times in total |
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postfs1
 Joined: 27 Mar 2010 Posts: 831 |
 An article about rootkit:
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yorkiesnorkie
Joined: 04 Jun 2007 Posts: 505 Location: George's Island |
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yorkiesnorkie
Joined: 04 Jun 2007 Posts: 505 Location: George's Island |
Thanks for the link by the way, I use ClamAV, and I'll be interested to see what this turns up. Yorkie
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ttuuxxx
 Joined: 05 May 2007 Posts: 10720 Location: Ontario Canada,Sydney Australia |
All I can say is that any .pet/sfs/iso etc I produce for the puppy community you can trust, And if you can't trust must me then probably you should compile/package/build/configure it yourself. I sure has heck wouldn't be running to MS, for help. lol There are a few of us well seasoned puppy users you can trust, usually as a rule people with over 462 for yorkiesnorkie only, everybody else 1000 !!! post are pretty proven by then.
ttuuxxx _________________ http://audio.online-convert.com/ <-- excellent site http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games
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puppyluvr
 Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 3053 Location: Chickasha Oklahoma |
 Hello,
Thats part of the beauty of Linux...its open. If you arent sure, open it up and take a look inside and see what it does... Try that with an .exe file..... And anything I code prob has enough bugs without adding a virus... 
_________________ "Close the "Windows", and open your eyes, to a whole new world" http://puppylinuxstuff.meownplanet.net/puppyluvr/ http://theplpd.webs.com/ 
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yorkiesnorkie
Joined: 04 Jun 2007 Posts: 505 Location: George's Island |
Crap, 538 posts to go before I'm legit! 
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Bernie_by_the_Sea
 Joined: 09 Feb 2011 Posts: 329 |
It's a bit late to reply but it’s taking me a while to catch up with all the posts on this forum. I find this interesting. Mostly by random chance Wary 500 was the first Pup I downloaded. It took me a month and over 200 hours to get it the way I liked it. I installed 35 pets (mostly tiny and some just cosmetic) and probably more than that number of debs and rpms. I made hundreds of changes, nearly all cosmetic. The first couple of weeks before I had any idea what I was doing I just clicked on a pet and let Puppy do its thing. That means I don’t have a copy of the original pet on my computer and would have to find and download it again to use it with another version of Puppy. Now, of course, I save a pet before I install it. I downloaded Lucid 520 about two weeks ago and I like the looks of it better than Wary (but I’m not sure about the substance yet; it may just be cosmetic appeal). No way do I think it would be worth another 200 hours to get it the way I want it. It wouldn’t take anywhere near that long but it would certainly take more than 15 minutes. I’ve now made a list of the 35 pets monitored by the package manager but I don’t have a list of the debs and rpms I installed. I wouldn’t know something was missing until I tried to do something and found it was something I installed and not part of Puppy. Something else Puppy did (besides luring me away from Windows) was revive my interest in Linux. I’m not only continuing to play with Puppy but I “upgraded” DSL from 2.0rc1 to 4.4.10 and Knoppix from 5.0.1 to 6.4.3 and portions of Debian 3.1 to the current 6-something. I moved from Mepis 3.3 to 8.5, a BIG change. I’m still tweaking it both cosmetically and functionally. I also took anther look at the current PCLinuxOS that I liked years ago and I looked at all the tiny <200MB distros I could find. I switched my multiple bootup from lilo to the native Windows dual bootup that points in turn to a grub4dos boot. I made cosmetic changes with some nice wallpaper in grub and I have some distros loading with new splash screens. I also starting using scripts, something I never did before, but after years of BASIC they’re simple. I need scripts to start everything I want in Knoppix. I still think it would take many hours to get Lucid up to where I have Wary with little value gained. I also don’t see any need to “upgrade” Wary any time soon. I used Mepis 3.3 for five years, Debian Sarge for five years and XP for more than five years. I don’t do updates or upgrades just because they’re new. Most “upgrades” create more problems than they solve.
Hmm. /mnr/nome/secrets_sardine_details/ No such file or directory. Maybe that should be mnt/home instead of mnr/nome? I really want to see your secrets.
_________________ Frugal: Knoppix 6.4.4 DVD USB: DSL 4.4.10 Full: WinXP Pro Puppy (Feb. 4 - May 12, 2011) led me back to Linux. |
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puppyluvr
Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 3053 Location: Chickasha Oklahoma |
Hello,
The .debs you install, at least on Lupu series Puppy (5+) are logged alongside the .pets in /root/.packages.... Yes, always save a pet B4 installing it...If it needs fixing, you can untar it, fix it, and try again... _________________ "Close the "Windows", and open your eyes, to a whole new world" http://puppylinuxstuff.meownplanet.net/puppyluvr/ http://theplpd.webs.com/
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yorkiesnorkie
Joined: 04 Jun 2007 Posts: 505 Location: George's Island |
This tool you recommended is damn near useless. It identifies a bunch of false positives right from the get go, which makes it useless as a diagnostic tool for the average user. Yorkie _________________ www.busygamemaster.com |
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postfs1
Joined: 27 Mar 2010 Posts: 831 |
I tasted two versions of Firestarter firewall in Quirky Linux - 1.40. The old version have opened the entrance for murga-linux.com in the case when there was no permissions to get into computer.
The second version of firewall several times showed to me a text lines that my computer initiates connection to another remote computer which is not belong to me. By the way, before use of OS i execute command kill -9 `pidof cupsd`.
 If the strange, active kid who is in search of remote machines does exist, then the closed door is not a bad solution i think.
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ttuuxxx
Joined: 05 May 2007 Posts: 10720 Location: Ontario Canada,Sydney Australia |
Updated my above post, now your ok to post
ttuuxxx _________________ http://audio.online-convert.com/ <-- excellent site http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games
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jamesbond
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 1540 Location: The Blue Marble |
What is this ttuuxxx? You lowered the bar! I was frantically posting as many posts as I can to meet this 1000 limit and now you lowered it ! 
_________________ Fatdog64, Slacko and Puppeee user. Puppy user since 2.13 |
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Lobster
Official Crustacean  Joined: 04 May 2005 Posts: 15109 Location: Paradox Realm |
Pah, my security has been breached . . . ah well . . .
OK it is important to understand how and why people run Puppy the way they do. For many years Barry adopted a policy of delivering a new - and I mean radically new Puppy every six weeks. A lot of it practically single handed. Pure penguin perspicacity. No Linux or developer is fast enough after that. Puppy is more geeky than the average but not totally command line feverish. It took me a year or two to realize that Puppy does not need to be installed to HD but it was always clear that Barry and those early developers were trustworthy. I liked to have a pristine Internet connected Linux set up in 3 minutes. Puppy Lucid does it now - direct to desktop with a few simple mouse clicks you are done. Puppy Lucid however is more complex and I have more needs and expectations. For example look and feel - now I customise, that takes a while. Browser choice is great but takes time. And Quickpet has so much I now consider essential . . . So much to try . . . Bit torrent, chat program, desktop recorder. So the 15 minutes can quickly extend into an hour. There are programs such as Mtpaint, Geany, gFTP and many others that I know and expect to just work. I don't encrypt my save file, run pets with a process viewer open and fear of others as a way of 'being safe'. I consider an installed Linux with thousands of obscure programs has far more potential for worry but even those I would run as root and be safer than the Windows compromise. Puppy has given me the confidence to trust the real hacker, the real vulnerability and that has always been me messing about . . . Why not have fun? [it is more fun] You want to be serious? Install and trust LibreOffice.pet http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=65918 Now you have some serious power . . . Puppy Playful Penguin _________________ Puppy WIKI |
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