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Puppy on smart phones
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nooby

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PostPosted: Mon 10 Jan 2011, 01:17    Post subject:  

Aitch have patience with me now. I mean don't get upset or angry!!!

I looked at one of your links. This one
http://computersnewbie.blogspot.com/2009/11/google-android-20-in-puppy-linux.html

That one will give us Android withing puppy linux.

But what we want is to be able to use puppy linux on a smart phone.

Is that not the other way around. I feel like a true propeller head now.

which of the many links give us a chance to get puppy in a smartphone and not android in a laptop or desktop running puppy linux?

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PostPosted: Mon 10 Jan 2011, 01:27    Post subject:  

I trust that this link shows how incredibly difficult it is.

http://groups.google.com/group/android-kernel/browse_thread/thread/2d7a86b6351b06df

I quote
booting another linux kernel from a running android system

One of the real complications is likely to be that on a typical dual-
core android phone (original style with radio & application cores, not
dual application cores as now being advertised), it's actually the
radio processor which handles rebooting. So to use kexec, you are
going to have to get the application processor to simulate a startup
condition without actually having been rebooted (because if you reboot
the radio processor, it will load the flashed kernel).

Another option could be to build yourself a little lilo- or grub-
style menu into the early stages of the kernel, so that you actually
do reboot the entire phone, but get the option to pick an alternate
kernel before the default kernel has really started up and changed the
run environment from what an alternate kernel would expect to find on
startup.

End of quote.

So we need to find someone who has done that or nothing will happen unless we write it ourselves. We still ahve to jailbreak for to be able to start it up like that?

I am no programmer I only share your wish to be able to use puppy or any kind of Debian on an ARM hardware that now runs Android.

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PostPosted: Mon 10 Jan 2011, 01:37    Post subject:  

thos guys are doing something other too?

He use his Android Google One G1 smartphone and connect the USB cable.

Then he boots the Laptop or Desktop with the puppy he has on a SD card on that phone. so the Laptop or the Desktop is run from the SD card via the USB cable.

what he still fails to do is to start his G! with Puppy.

that is why I try to tell us this is much more difficult than what we think it is?

Am I wrong? Smile

Taht does not mean we should not trying. I have two of these Android phones and want to use Puppy on them and that is for sure. But I lack the knowledge to do it so we have to search for someone that gets how it can be done.

As I get it we have to know the code that start the Radio circuit that start up all the other things too on the Android phone.

Here is the reason why me so pessimistic. They simply wants us to pay for to put puppy on a google android phone.

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=485207#485207

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PostPosted: Mon 10 Jan 2011, 13:49    Post subject:  

All this brainstorming and links are useful I think.

Running Android inside puppy, or instead of it, will teach us things hands on.
One thing I've read is that android boot within about 10 seconds on a laptop.
That OS must be very light.
On the other hand puppy is much more complete and could be stripped of loads of soft not needed on smartphones.
The aim is to as always run faster than the other ones, and that's what puppy is best at, so there's hope.
Thanks for showing interest in what was after all only an off the wall "weird" and crazy wish on my part.

Just when you guys thought you could finally rest a while after 5.2, here comes yet another exciting challenge for the geeks squadron. Cool

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PostPosted: Mon 17 Jan 2011, 21:49    Post subject:  

Quote:
All this brainstorming and links are useful I think.


Guys Smile
Do smart phones 'run as root'? Tsk tsk isn't that as risky as running Puppy - or are we ahead of the game?
Which WM is most compatible with running on a touch screen?
If running Puppy on specific ARM hardware which would you choose?

Looking at this from multiple angles, there is Meego, Android and ChromeOS.
I can run virtual box and so run these OS in Puppy.
m m m . . .

However I believe using wbar on the right maybe and maybe 4 desktops of Puppy icons plus touch screen capability and we have something . . .
. . . for Intel Moorestown as soon as released

and an ARM device by compiling debs for a (yet to emerge) major adopted single device.
Yeah we can compile for ARM but which one? All of them is hard.

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PostPosted: Tue 18 Jan 2011, 10:52    Post subject:  

nooby

I was kinda hoping YOU were going to be the one to succeed with puppy on ARM [joking, of course Wink Laughing ]

Now would I get upset with you....?

The reason I provided the links was to show a bit of what's going on

Having seen the struggle Mavrothal and ttuuxxx and a few others had getting Puppy OLPC going, it's obvious it's not easy, or someone would have done it

I think ARM 9 debian kernel looks like a possible start point....but what do I know....?

Lobster, I thought touchscreen was working in puppy, and an xorg version update, or config?
Phones don't normally run as root as proprietary code masks console mode unless tweaked/hacked, AFAIK, or maybe that's a different issue??

Number 125 on this list...anyone know Sammy Wu, or what he's done?

http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/machines/

Apparently Intel SA1100 using redboot

http://ecos.sourceware.org/docs-latest/redboot/installation-and-testing.html

some early tinkerings/clues

http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/docs/

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PostPosted: Wed 15 Jun 2011, 16:25    Post subject:  

There are many debian installs that work in Chroot environment on Android smart phones. The back track guys built an Arm version of Backtrack that runs as well. There are tutorials all over the place for doing this. Puppy would be awesome on a phone methinks....
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PostPosted: Wed 06 Nov 2013, 03:20    Post subject: Fairphone
Subject description: best phone for linux enthousiasts?
 

Perhaps this one fits our needs?:

http://www.fairphone.com/

A smartphone which is very open source friendly, filled to the brim with hippie green peace and love ideals, loaded with Android 4.2 but rooted from the start, ready to install alternative OSes like Ubuntu Touch or Firefox OS, blockphone-like in that you are supposed to be able to repair/replace components... read the story behind the project on their site. I like it, I think I want to support the project and order one.
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