Wary Puppy 5.1.1 Final

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BarryK · #91 Post by **BarryK** » Sun 06 Mar 2011, 11:58

Shep wrote:Until now I have been using the 5.1 CD + your zzz .pet. This has demanded hot booting.

Wary 5.1 already has zzz, the pet is not needed. On the otherhand, if you mean Lucid Puppy 5.1 then it does need the zzz pet.

gabe · #92 Post by **gabe** » Mon 07 Mar 2011, 04:50

This is on a fresh installation Wary 5.1.1 on my Inspiron 2400. It's slow as molasses. I didn't do anything except install vlc and firefox -- and I'm pretty sure this problem existed well before then, too.

"I'm running kernel 2.6.31.14" <-- How? [edit: from the blog post, I found this: http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/wary-5 ... oc-ide.iso -- what's the IDE for? Is 2.6.31.14 useful for anything other than modem drivers? Is it lighter? Please advise!]

It's unusably slow, yet I'm barely using it enough to type this response. The text is lagging by up to 5 seconds after I type, the hard drive seems to be constantly swapping as well. This is one of the most common desktop systems in the world -- at least a few years ago. Inspiron 2400, 256MB RAM. The first [edit: it appears second] screenshot was a clean boot, the second [first on the post] is with one other program running (in addition to the terminal with top) -- firefox displaying only this simple forum. Typing this very response.

Any suggestions? Normal Puppy 5.11 and 5.2 fail utterly with a crash sometime after use -- I blamed the kernel. (memtest ran for hours without an error, as did XP).

Billtoo · #93 Post by **Billtoo** » Mon 07 Mar 2011, 05:03

xfe-1.32.2-i686.pet (X File Explorer) is a filemanager similar to midnight
commander, it also needs fox-1.6.43-i686.pet installed or it won't run.

gabe · #94 Post by **gabe** » Mon 07 Mar 2011, 05:09

The i810 driver is now being used and things seem just a tad better, but trying to "upgrade xorg" from the wizard leads me to install a package called "root" and it obviously fails. (To reproduce: Menu -> Setup -> Wizard Wizard [lol, the name itself is a bug] -> upgrade X drivers -> Xorg7.5).

So it looks like upgrading X is out of the question? And you say in the first post not to use XVesa? Just making sure. (Also, the new xorg could have been causing the random crashes in the past when I used normal puppy 5.11-5.2, so my "wariness" in this regard is justified, no?).

Edit: From the blog post, I found this: wary-511-k2.6.31.14-uniproc-ide.iso -- what does IDE stand for? Is 2.6.31.14 useful for anything other than modem drivers? Is it lighter? Would it for any reason be advisable on Intel 8xx hardware? Is there a pretty decent chance it could address the issue I've been having? Will it eat my pets and siblings alive? Please advise!

starhawk · #95 Post by **starhawk** » Mon 07 Mar 2011, 07:29

Not 100% certain that this is a bug, but I get a very consistent kernel panic on Wary 511 on my hardware... it loads vmlinuz, unpacks init.gz... and splat. Says something about something not syncing correctly... but it sinks all right. Wouldn't say it's the right /type/ of sinking (syncing), but it /does/ sink!

Wary 500 works fine, but neither version (standard or uniproc) of Wary 511 seems to like my system.

System details:
HP Pavilion s7220n Slimline Desktop, Celeron M CPU @ 1.8GHz, 1GB of RAM, 200GB SATA HDD + IDE DVD Burner. Except for the RAM, everything is stock hardware.

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@Gabe: IDE, also called PATA, is the "bus" (wires and protocol) between, say, a hard drive and the mainboard of a computer. IDE has since been made obsolete by a new style of connecting things called SATA. In this case, however, it also refers to the driver-set that Puppy uses in order to communicate with a drive of /any/ kind (confusingly enough, this includes other buses, like SCSI and USB). The "ide" driver-set uses a different set of names for the drives that it sees.

In other words (or if you want to say tl;dr) -- it's something very technical that you probably don't need to worry about. BTW, uniproc is short for "single processor" (uni=one, like unicycle).

Sylvander · #96 Post by **Sylvander** » Mon 07 Mar 2011, 08:23

Version of Xfe with necessary FOX dependencies included.

rodin.s · #97 Post by **rodin.s** » Mon 07 Mar 2011, 17:37

gabe wrote: Edit: From the blog post, I found this: wary-511-k2.6.31.14-uniproc-ide.iso -- what does IDE stand for? Is 2.6.31.14 useful for anything other than modem drivers? Is it lighter?

I use it on my old PC AMD K6-3D 333MHz and it works fine. And it seems like it works faster.
And there is also a version on k2.6.30 from Puppy-4.3.1 if other kernels won't help.
And I guess it's even faster with ext4-savefile.

Sylvander · #98 Post by **Sylvander** » Mon 07 Mar 2011, 19:55

"Integrated Drive Electronics" = IDE [or ATA-1]

rodin.s · #99 Post by **rodin.s** » Mon 07 Mar 2011, 20:17

sfs-files linked to mnt_sfs which is not in the system. Maybe it should be linked to filemnt.

BarryK · #100 Post by **BarryK** » Tue 08 Mar 2011, 01:39

gabe wrote:"I'm running kernel 2.6.31.14" <-- How? [edit: from the blog post, I found this: http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/wary-5 ... oc-ide.iso -- what's the IDE for? Is 2.6.31.14 useful for anything other than modem drivers? Is it lighter? Please advise!]

Well, you could have read the "readme" at the download site:

http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/wary-5 ... readme.htm

I have no idea why you are getting 5 second delay. But anyway, why did you choose the older kernel? Did you first try the default 2.6.32.28 kernel? -- it also has most modem drivers.

Billtoo · #101 Post by **Billtoo** » Tue 08 Mar 2011, 13:30

lpairs-1.0.4-i686.pet is a memory game similar to concentration where you find matching pictures.

rodin.s · #102 Post by **rodin.s** » Tue 08 Mar 2011, 21:09

One small thing: mtpaint-snapshot sometimes takes picture of the message. Maybe the gab should be bigger between message and snapshot. I put timeout 9 and sleep 13. (/usr/bin/mtpaintsnapshot.sh)

CatDude · #103 Post by **CatDude** » Fri 11 Mar 2011, 20:38

Hi

I am trying to compile NVIDIA drivers without much success.

I am using: wary-511-k2.6.31.14-uniproc-ide.iso
with these files loaded:

wary_devx_511.sfs
kernel_src-2.6.31.14-patched.sfs

Is this the correct kernel sources for this particular wary,
or is there another file buried away somewhere.

I have tried the suggestion that Barry once offered,
that is, to exit to the prompt and issue the following commands:

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cd /usr/src/linux-2.6.31.14
make prepare

then doing the usual:

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cd /
sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.28-pkg1.run

I have also tried doing it without the:

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cd /usr/src/linux-2.6.31.14
make prepare

Everything appears to go well,
building the modules goes all the way to 100%
then it gives the following messages:

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ERROR: Unable to load the kernel module 'nvidia.ko'.  This happens most
       frequently when this kernel module was built against the wrong or
       improperly configured kernel sources, with a version of gcc that differs
       from the one used to build the target kernel, or if a driver such as
       rivafb, nvidiafb, or nouveau is present and prevents the NVIDIA kernel
       module from obtaining ownership of the NVIDIA graphics device(s).
       
       Please see the log entries 'Kernel module load error' and 'Kernel
       messages' at the end of the file '/var/log/nvidia-installer.log' for
       more information.

followed by this:

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ERROR: Installation has failed.  Please see the file
       '/var/log/nvidia-installer.log' for details.  You may find suggestions
       on fixing installation problems in the README available on the Linux
       driver download page at www.nvidia.com.

Does anybody have any ideas

CatDude
.

BarryK · #104 Post by **BarryK** » Fri 11 Mar 2011, 23:26

CatDude wrote:Hi

I am trying to compile NVIDIA drivers without much success.

I am using: wary-511-k2.6.31.14-uniproc-ide.iso
with these files loaded:
wary_devx_511.sfs
kernel_src-2.6.31.14-patched.sfs
Is this the correct kernel sources for this particular wary,
or is there another file buried away somewhere.

I have tried the suggestion that Barry once offered,
that is, to exit to the prompt and issue the following commands:
Code: Select all
cd /usr/src/linux-2.6.31.14
make prepare
then doing the usual:
Code: Select all
cd /
sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.28-pkg1.run
I have also tried doing it without the:
Code: Select all
cd /usr/src/linux-2.6.31.14
make prepare
Everything appears to go well,
building the modules goes all the way to 100%
then it gives the following messages:
Code: Select all
ERROR: Unable to load the kernel module 'nvidia.ko'.  This happens most
       frequently when this kernel module was built against the wrong or
       improperly configured kernel sources, with a version of gcc that differs
       from the one used to build the target kernel, or if a driver such as
       rivafb, nvidiafb, or nouveau is present and prevents the NVIDIA kernel
       module from obtaining ownership of the NVIDIA graphics device(s).
       
       Please see the log entries 'Kernel module load error' and 'Kernel
       messages' at the end of the file '/var/log/nvidia-installer.log' for
       more information.
followed by this:
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ERROR: Installation has failed.  Please see the file
       '/var/log/nvidia-installer.log' for details.  You may find suggestions
       on fixing installation problems in the README available on the Linux
       driver download page at www.nvidia.com.
Does anybody have any ideas

CatDude
.

CatDude,
The problem is that the sfs file is for the smp compile of the 2.6.31.14 kernel, not the uniproc-ide.

So, 'make prepare' was run with the wrong .config file.

You will need to get the correct .config file -- it should be at /etc/modules -- copy that to /usr/src/linux-2.6.31.14 and rename it to .config.

Then:

# cd /usr/src/linux-2.6.31.14
# make clean
# make prepare

shinobar · #105 Post by **shinobar** » Sat 12 Mar 2011, 01:48

Hi, Barry.
Are you going to recompile the gtk+?
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=65675

CatDude · #106 Post by **CatDude** » Sat 12 Mar 2011, 10:50

Hello Barry

Thanks for your quick reply.

I did as you suggested,
and copied: /etc/modules/DOTconfig-K2.6.31.14-UNIPROC-IDE-25JAN2011
to /usr/src/linux-2.6.31.14/.config
Then exited to prompt and did:

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cd /usr/src/linux-2.6.31.14
make clean
make prepare

then i did:

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cd /
sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.28-pkg1.run

Unfortunately the result (and messages) was exactly the same as described in my previous post.

Do you have any other suggestions i could try.

If required, i could start with a fresh frugal install and re-run the steps above,
then attach any log files you think may help sort out the problem.

Just let me know what log files you may need.

Thanks again
CatDude
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FeodorF · #107 Post by **FeodorF** » Sat 12 Mar 2011, 11:24

FeodorF wrote:Has anybody got Seamonkey 2.0.12 running on Wary 5xx (k-2.6.xx.xx) ?

Firefox 3.6.14 is also a no go with Wary 5xx

In Quirky 130 SM&FF just working fine.

Regards, FeodorF

update about SM and FF

Puppy Wary 5.1.1 K-2.6.31.14 and Puppy Wary 5.1.1 K-2.6.32.28 are missing the following files:

for Firefox-3.6.15 it is:
/usr/lib/libdbus-1.so.3.4.0 and its link /usr/lib/libdbus-1.so.3

for Seamonkey-2.0.14 it is:
/usr/lib/libdbus-glib-1.so.2.1.0 and its link /usr/lib/libdbus-glib-1.so.2

Those files can be found f.e. on your Quirky-120.iso CD/DVD.

Note:
If you start Firefox-3.6.15 you will be asked to update the Adobe Flash Player to version 10.2.152.27 - if you do so you will get a little surprise. Trio’s Youtopup wont work. The Flash Player is to be blamed - the video stream is put to /tmp in a different way now! Dam. !!

Regards,
FeodorF

cowboy · #108 Post by **cowboy** » Sat 12 Mar 2011, 17:40

I think I'm experiencing the same sound issue reported by "zekebaby" earlier in this thread. Intel soundcard, after creation of new savefile, sound and sound tray icon are fine for about 5-10 boots. Then, the tray icon disappears and I have no sound. Tried running alsawizard to no avail.

I can still see "retrovol" in the multimedia menu, but when I click on it, nothing happens. Also tried what seemed to work for zekebaby, deleting /dev/snd, and rebooting, but did not seem to work.

Don't seem to have this particular sound issue with either 4.3.1, or with LuPu 5.1.1 or LuPu 5.2.

ravensrest · #109 Post by **ravensrest** » Sat 12 Mar 2011, 18:30

If I have a window open in Wary 51, and then move it too close to the edge of the screen, it pops over to the other side. Is there a way to prevent this? Puppy 431 doesn't do this, and I much prefer it that way.
BS

Dean · #110 Post by **Dean** » Sat 12 Mar 2011, 19:07

ravensrest wrote:If I have a window open in Wary 51, and then move it too close to the edge of the screen, it pops over to the other side. Is there a way to prevent this? Puppy 431 doesn't do this, and I much prefer it that way.
BS

I stop this by downgrading to jwm 492

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