Lucid Puppy 5.25 Feedback and Bug Reports

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PaulBx1 · #91 Post by **PaulBx1** » Wed 15 Jun 2011, 02:43

I bumped my pupsave size by 64MB, taking my free space there to 115MB according to the taskbar thingy. This had the effect of increasing the amount of the youtube I was watching to 28 seconds. Whoopee!

FWIW, this is the youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zNf6_ivPk4

But other, longer youtubes play to completion. Weird.

bigpup · #92 Post by **bigpup** » Wed 15 Jun 2011, 21:03

PaulBx1 wrote:I bumped my pupsave size by 64MB, taking my free space there to 115MB according to the taskbar thingy. This had the effect of increasing the amount of the youtube I was watching to 28 seconds. Whoopee!

FWIW, this is the youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zNf6_ivPk4

But other, longer youtubes play to completion. Weird.

I tried the Youtube movie you are having problems with.
Worked for me with no problems.
I know, you wanted to hear that!
Could have something to do with the version of Adobe Flash you are using?
The browser you are using?
If you right click on the movie display screen, you will be given options for how Adobe Flash works.

mikeslr · #93 Post by **mikeslr** » Sat 18 Jun 2011, 15:17

Hi All,

I decided that I use LibreOffice Write and Calc so often that it made sense to load the LibreOffice SFS on bootup. Although "Boot Manager Configure bootup" see the SFS --named LibreOffice33.SFS-- as an SFS of the proper version and permits me to move it to the right hand pane (of SFSes to be loaded at bootup) and is the only SFS in that pane, both before and after booting, it does not load. I have no problem loading it via JRB's Linker.

Is this just a naming problem, i.e, requiring that the name be changed? or is there a bug in the Boot Manager Configure App?

MikesLr

smokey01 · #94 Post by **smokey01** » Sat 18 Jun 2011, 22:42

mikesir,

It should work but you could try renaming the file to:
LibreOffice_33.SFS

Jesse · #95 Post by **Jesse** » Mon 20 Jun 2011, 04:44

Hi All,

I set up a computer with Lucid 5.2.5, booting from a usb card.
It all worked lovely until I took out the hard drive.
The hard drive was not being used in any way, no swap partition or puppy files are on it.
The PC has 1gb ram, and I am using a 256Mb Usb chip for booting.
The boot screen at "loading drivers to access hard drives ..." kicks me out to the command prompt, mentioning that it cannot find lupu-525.sfs. But I can find my sdb1, mount it, and find lupu-525.sfs there, so something just needs a wee tweak.
If I plug the hard disk back in (ide 80Gb) the usb boot works, I find this a bit odd that I can't boot without a hard drive.

Can someone please point me in the direction of which script is in charge of that task that is failing (presumably in the initrd.gz somewhere)?
Also I'll need to know how to extract and bundle the initrd.gz file too.

Cheers,
Jesse

bigpup · #96 Post by **bigpup** » Mon 20 Jun 2011, 05:34

Jesse wrote:Hi All,

I set up a computer with Lucid 5.2.5, booting from a usb card.
It all worked lovely until I took out the hard drive.
The hard drive was not being used in any way, no swap partition or puppy files are on it.
The PC has 1gb ram, and I am using a 256Mb Usb chip for booting.
The boot screen at "loading drivers to access hard drives ..." kicks me out to the command prompt, mentioning that it cannot find lupu-525.sfs. But I can find my sdb1, mount it, and find lupu-525.sfs there, so something just needs a wee tweak.
If I plug the hard disk back in (ide 80Gb) the usb boot works, I find this a bit odd that I can't boot without a hard drive.

Cheers,
Jesse

This is a known bug. Has not been fixed in Lucid Puppy 5.2.5
Discussion here:
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02272

Jesse · #97 Post by **Jesse** » Mon 20 Jun 2011, 06:01

bigpup wrote:
Jesse wrote:Hi All,

I set up a computer with Lucid 5.2.5, booting from a usb card.
It all worked lovely until I took out the hard drive.
...
If I plug the hard disk back in (ide 80Gb) the usb boot works, I find this a bit odd that I can't boot without a hard drive.

Cheers,
Jesse
This is a known bug. Has not been fixed in Lucid Puppy 5.2.5
Discussion here:
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02272

Thanks bigpup!
Looks pretty easy to fix up, I'll give it a go, cheers.

mikeslr · #98 Post by **mikeslr** » Mon 20 Jun 2011, 13:39

Hi smokey01,

Thanks for the suggestion, but LibreOffice_33.sfs doesn't load either.

I'll try loading some others via boot manager and see if this is a more general problem on my setup;

Edit: Gimp successfully load via bootmanager, so it seems to be a problem specific to LibreOffice.
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Processor: 4x AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 945 Processor
Memory: 3375MB
Resolution: 1600x900 pixels
VGA compatible controller: ATI Radeon 3100 Graphics
Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI

mikesLr

bigpup · #99 Post by **bigpup** » Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:13

If you are having problems with wifi and modems you may find help with new drivers and info here:

Extras for Puppy 5.1 with 2.6.33.2 kernel
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=59000

PaulBx1 · #100 Post by **PaulBx1** » Mon 20 Jun 2011, 23:44

Jesse, I wish you luck. If you look back in this thread you will see I tried and failed; I think Barry has not posted all the details of his fix. FWIW, it is also possible to boot without a hard drive if you have Puppy in the CD as well as on the USB drive.

I will be happy to help any way I can.

Jesse · #101 Post by **Jesse** » Tue 21 Jun 2011, 10:42

Hey I found the problem, regarding booting without hard drive.

In the init script on line 499:
LESSPARTS0="`echo "$LESSPARTS0" | grep -v -f /tmp/ATADRIVES0`" #110205

It seems that Line 499 does not do its intended job, the reason being that the file /tmp/ATADRIVES0 always seems to have an invalid character in it, its totally weird to me too.

Well hey I am not really sure about why that file outputs unusual content.
But I found that if I replace line 499 with codes to do equivalent in commands that are known to execute as expected, then I can boot up without a hard disk.

replacement codes:

for REMOVEDRIVE in $ATADRIVES
do
LESSPARTS0="`echo "$LESSPARTS0" | grep -v $REMOVEDRIVE`"
done

Thanks for your help guys. I hope this patch goes into the next puppy.
Cheers, Jesse

PaulBx1 · #102 Post by **PaulBx1** » Thu 23 Jun 2011, 02:39

Worked like a charm on my hard-driveless laptop Jesse. No more need for anything in the CD.

However still not working on my hard-driveless desktop (an Intel D510MO). I think it is something else. I see this printed on the screen:

Code: Select all

Syslinux 4.03 2010-10-22 EDD Copyright (C) 1994-2010 H. Peter Anvin et al

...and there it hangs. A different symptom...

This machine used to boot the same flash drive just fine back when it had Lupu 511 on it. Still boots another flash drive with Puppy 431 on it.

<later>
I notice someone else reported this bug, said it had to do with the latest ISOLINUX. I even commented on that thread!

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=68280

The workaround was to replace ISOLINUX with an earlier version, but that only refers to the Live CD. ISOLINUX is not used on a bootable flash drive. Any ideas for that?

8-bit · #103 Post by **8-bit** » Fri 24 Jun 2011, 16:42

On the LQ forum, I ran into a person that is trying to restore some older computers for the less fortunate.
I am trying to help him, but I would like it done right.
He is setting up one PC and going to use his experience with it to set up others.
He states that he did a full install to the hard drive and when he boots, the hard drive icon shows as not mounted.
If he mounts it and tries to shut down, the PC just reboots.
If he unmounts the drive, the PC shuts down normally.

The mounting part is where I am lost as I have never done a full install.
So I ask any with Lucid Puppy 5.25 and a full install, if their hard drive shows as mounted on booting.

Also, I had him do a test by creating and saving a short text file.
This was with the hard drive icon showing the drive as unmounted.
The file was available to him at the next boot.

James C · #104 Post by **James C** » Fri 24 Jun 2011, 17:10

8-bit wrote:On the LQ forum, I ran into a person that is trying to restore some older computers for the less fortunate.
I am trying to help him, but I would like it done right.
He is setting up one PC and going to use his experience with it to set up others.
He states that he did a full install to the hard drive and when he boots, the hard drive icon shows as not mounted.
If he mounts it and tries to shut down, the PC just reboots.
If he unmounts the drive, the PC shuts down normally.

The mounting part is where I am lost as I have never done a full install.
So I ask any with Lucid Puppy 5.25 and a full install, if their hard drive shows as mounted on booting.

Also, I had him do a test by creating and saving a short text file.
This was with the hard drive icon showing the drive as unmounted.
The file was available to him at the next boot.

Full install of Lucid 525 on sda 12. I'll mount the partition and reboot and see what happens.
Even though the partition shows as unmounted read/write to it would be impossible so.......hmmmmm.

James C · #105 Post by **James C** » Fri 24 Jun 2011, 17:22

Quick test complete.

No matter what the drive icon shows, the partition is obviously mounted on boot.Couldn't access the partition otherwise. My other Puppy full installs show a yellow dot on the drive icon...... don't know how I hadn't noticed this before.

Anyway, I clicked the sda12 drive icon, green dot came on, tried to poweroff and the system rebooted. The green dot was on sda 12 upon reboot but quickly disappeared and is off now as I'm posting.
HTH.

8-bit · #106 Post by **8-bit** » Fri 24 Jun 2011, 17:40

So in the case of trying to shut down with the full install partition mounted
a reboot is done instead. I would consider that a bug.

Also, maybe the partition/drive icon being shown as not mounted could be considered another bug.

And for those reading this, remember we are talking about a FULL install.

The problem I see to a new user that thinks the drive/partition should be mounted will not be able to shut down.
Also, it seems interesting that unmounting the partition/drive gives no errors.
I say this because the person I am trying to help stated that if he unmounted the partition, the PC would shut down.

rjbrewer · #107 Post by **rjbrewer** » Fri 24 Jun 2011, 18:04

8-bit wrote:
The mounting part is where I am lost as I have never done a full install.
So I ask any with Lucid Puppy 5.25 and a full install, if their hard drive shows as mounted on booting.

That has been a problem since the beginning of Lupu-Lucid.

The primary reason I never use them, being a full install user.
I've mentioned it on numerous occasions.

8-bit · #108 Post by **8-bit** » Fri 24 Jun 2011, 20:00

rjbrewer wrote:
8-bit wrote:
The mounting part is where I am lost as I have never done a full install.
So I ask any with Lucid Puppy 5.25 and a full install, if their hard drive shows as mounted on booting.
That has been a problem since the beginning of Lupu-Lucid.

The primary reason I never use them, being a full install user.
I've mentioned it on numerous occasions.

Then it may be to his advantage to install a version of puppy that is not ubuntu based and there are a lot of others to choose from.

I use Lupu 520 myself and have an older version of puppy created by Barry that was pulled due to problems booting from SCSI devices.
That one was Puppy 431 SCSI and I updated it with fixes from the standard 431 threads on the forum.

To me, having the latest and greatest kernel and release do not mean as much as having a version that I can keep the applications up to date in.

When the OS fails to run an updated application that is needed, then by all means, go to a later version.

But if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

don922 · #109 Post by **don922** » Sat 25 Jun 2011, 03:43

There is a complete write-up of the problem I am having at
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 437#537437

I had this same problem in SlickPup then I tried Puppy525 -- the same thing.

I am using a computer and monitor that are less than 6 months old. They are not the top of the line equipment but I have not had any problem with Puppy432v3 or Wary512. What is the problem? Can this be fixed?

bigpup · #110 Post by **bigpup** » Sat 25 Jun 2011, 03:53

Here is a problem I am having with the program Check Dependencies installed Pkg
It opens showing two lists of programs.
A program is selected in each list.
It will not let you select just one program.
Also, too wide for desktop. Window goes past sides of desktop.

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