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Does Lucid Puppy say it is Puppy or it is Ubuntu? [Solved]
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nooby

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PostPosted: Sun 22 May 2011, 06:53    Post subject:  Does Lucid Puppy say it is Puppy or it is Ubuntu? [Solved]  

When they do statistics on say DistroWatch what kind of OS that visit their pages during a month or so. Do Puppy based on Ubuntu say it is ubuntu based or Puppy based?

Or does it say Gnu based or Unknown? Look at this statistics
http://distrowatch.com/awstats/awstats.DistroWatch.com.osdetail.html

Version Hits Percentage
Ubuntu 4624851 8.1 %
Puppy Linux 2 0 %
GNU Linux (Unknown or unspecified distribution) 16590577 29.2 %

Now I look at DW almost 2 times a day to find distros that I hope allow me to boot them frugally on NTFS HDD which is what I love to do.
So there is no chance that there is only two visitors using puppy so either my choice of OS is seen as Ubuntu or as Gnu unknown.

I am in Snowpup 5 most of the time which is based on Lupu 511 (513)

So maybe it show up as a general Gnu or what does it show up as? How can I find out how it present itself to DW and how to explain that only two of us are registered as visitiors during May 2011 or is it from April 2011? I am sure of that I visit them at least once a day. So either them go on IP and only count as one hit even if I visit once a day the whole month?

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PostPosted: Sun 22 May 2011, 07:05    Post subject:  

I think that question is better asked to the people of DW.
They should know how they make the statistics.

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PostPosted: Sun 22 May 2011, 07:16    Post subject:  

That is logical but I guess they would answer me that only Puppy folks know how Puppy present itself to the world.
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PostPosted: Sun 22 May 2011, 07:34    Post subject:  

Quote:
"Lucid Puppy 5.2 is a Puppy through and through. What that means is that the *architecture* is pure Puppy. It just happens to be that many of the building materials (applications, utilities, libraries) are Ubuntu binaries. With Puppy founder Barry Kauler’s Woof Build System the packages could just as easily have been Slackware or Arch binaries."
Larry Short & Mick Amadio

http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy52

We also have Spup (Slackware) turning into Spot Puppy 5.3
Dpup Puppy + Debian Squeeze
Iguleder has just started the possibility of Red Hat compatibility (Rpup?)
and we have 'pure' Puppys such as Wary and Quirky.
Fluppy and Puppeee for Netbooks, 64bit with Fatdog - with two more 64 bits being developed (Spot 64bit and Lighthouse 64bit)
and then we have the puplets . . .

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PostPosted: Sun 22 May 2011, 08:01    Post subject:  

Thanks Lobster!

What I talk about is maybe this from HardInfo. I guess them read same thing as can be read by that program???

See the picture I attached. It does say Puppy but it also say
Distrubution Puppy Linux 0.5 instead of saying Snow pup 005 or Lucid Puppy 513 which it is.

and it says Gnu C Library so do they see the Puppy Linux or the Gnu C thing?


Beem says: Again, only the people of DW know the answer.


Yes Beem one could ask them. But why would they care about a nobody like Nooby them get thousands of emails daily and would not care about me.

But could you write them maybe, you do seem motivated enough to care about the question here?
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PostPosted: Sun 22 May 2011, 08:08    Post subject:  

Guessing will not help.
I am sure those who make the statistics know where they have to look.
Could well be based on the number of downloads.
But then again, they have to monitor those download sites.

Again, only the people of DW know the answer.

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PostPosted: Sun 22 May 2011, 08:25    Post subject:  

nooby,

in a mozilla-based browser, FF or SM, type about:config in the address field, then check the useragent strings (type useragent into the filter field).

hth Smile/ MHHP

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PostPosted: Sun 22 May 2011, 10:33    Post subject:  

I know that Blogspot reports Puppy as GNU/Linux (because I've seen myself on my own blog). They are most likely looking at your browser to determine what you are using when you go there, so it's going to be easy to determine if you are using, say, Firefox for Linux. There will be additional info they may be able to identify if the distro includes the browser in it's .iso, such as Ubuntu, so for a large distro they may be able to determine what you are using, presumably because Ubuntu wants them to. I'm pretty sure this is not the case with Puppy, and probably not with most smaller distributions. Canonical wants Ubuntu to be recognized, because they are becoming competitive with major platforms like Windows and Mac.

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edit: I know there is some browser in all Linux .iso's... but in the case of Ubuntu I think the recognition is purposeful.
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PostPosted: Sun 22 May 2011, 10:59    Post subject:  

Eathray wrote:
I know that Blogspot reports Puppy as GNU/Linux (because I've seen myself on my own blog). They are most likely looking at your browser to determine what you are using when you go there, so it's going to be easy to determine if you are using, say, Firefox for Linux. There will be additional info they may be able to identify if the distro includes the browser in it's .iso, such as Ubuntu, so for a large distro they may be able to determine what you are using, presumably because Ubuntu wants them to. I'm pretty sure this is not the case with Puppy, and probably not with most smaller distributions. Canonical wants Ubuntu to be recognized, because they are becoming competitive with major platforms like Windows and Mac.

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edit: I know there is some browser in all Linux .iso's... but in the case of Ubuntu I think the recognition is purposeful.


Interesting that support my wild guess.

MinHundHettePerro thanks but that did not reveal anything about what operating system I have though.

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PostPosted: Sun 22 May 2011, 11:31    Post subject:  

It doesn't report as Puppy or Ubuntu when you visit a website

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303
Firefox/3.6.15

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_header

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PostPosted: Sun 22 May 2011, 13:08    Post subject:  

So like Beem insist the only way to find out is to ask DW how they determine what linux the user visiting have is to ask them but the fact that they have that high percentage of unknown Linux OS tells me that they simply have no clue themselves. So I set this thread as solved.

DW simply use a way to collect this data that are not fair to Puppy.
There are more users than Lobster and Nooby that visit DW in a month. Trust me on that Smile

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PostPosted: Mon 23 May 2011, 00:23    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:
So like Beem insist the only way to find out is to ask
DW how they determine what linux the user visiting have is to ask them
but the fact that they have that high percentage of unknown Linux OS
tells me that they simply have no clue themselves. So I set this thread
as solved.


It is in the user agent string YOU send to them. I posted and bolded the
OS agent above. Using Puppy you aren't telling them it is Puppy. If we
don't tell, they can't know.

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PostPosted: Mon 23 May 2011, 01:25    Post subject:  

Yes and that explains why we only have two Puppy visitors during a whole month to DW.
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