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nitehawk · #2301 Post by **nitehawk** » Fri 10 Jun 2016, 18:12

Hi, Colonel P,...

I noticed you are running Puppy Tahr 6.05,...
(this is supposed to be a thread for other distros,..but,...) I just installed Puppy Tahr 6.05 on this old HP Compaq desktop I have. Seems to be working really NICE. This old thing still has WinVista on it, mind you...so Tahr 6.05 seems like a breath of fresh air. At least this old computer will do 64 bit,..and has 4g of ram. I also put the upgraded Lupu Puppy 5287 on it as well (also very nice!). I had Devuan on it,..but somehow the boot got all messed up (and I'm no expert). There went all my hard work,....

Oh well,..Antix 16 b2 seems to boot up nicely,...so it looks like that's a natural for this machine. I will replace Devuan with it (Antix has always been a very favorite of mine,..along with Puppy). The really old laptop I have (HP Pavilion dv2000) has that really bad graphic card in it,...so it looks like Anix 16 b2 won't run in it. But nothing much does. Right now Bodhi 9 seems to be behaving on it a little (as well as the updated Lupu Puppy 5287). The video crashes on it ever-so-often. Fun,..fun.

nitehawk · #2302 Post by **nitehawk** » Sat 11 Jun 2016, 15:33

Alright,....
I got Antix 16 b2 all working on my HP Compaq desktop now. So nice.
That's what I love about Linux,.....so many choices, and these really lovely little distros that keep the old computers going. Now if only my old laptop's video card would behave enough to where I could install Anix on that ...(would make me a very happy camper).

Colonel Panic · #2303 Post by **Colonel Panic** » Sat 11 Jun 2016, 16:42

nitehawk wrote:Alright,....
I got Antix 16 b2 all working on my HP Compaq desktop now. So nice.
That's what I love about Linux,.....so many choices, and these really lovely little distros that keep the old computers going. Now if only my old laptop's video card would behave enough to where I could install Anix on that ...(would make me a very happy camper).

Hi again nitie,

Yeah, AntiX is really good. Increasingly I'm finding that I use distros based on either Debian or Slackware more than any others (apart from Stella, which is based on CentOS and is an excellent distro in its own right). Mint's good as well though, and there's a new beta of it out so I'll be trying that one soon.

I still use Tahr 6.05 but I find that for some videos (the ones displayed as links in Twitter) the browser won't play them with the flash that installs now; it needs Chromium really.

I note what you said about Devuan; I think there are still problems with Devuan unfortunately. I like the look of the project but I might hold off getting it until the kinks have been ironed out.

If memory serves, AntiX offers SysV as an install option so there's no need to use Devuan if all you want to do is avoid having to use Systemd.

nitehawk · #2304 Post by **nitehawk** » Sat 11 Jun 2016, 16:51

Colonel Panic wrote: Hi again nitie,

Yeah, AntiX is really good. Increasingly I'm finding that I use distros based on either Debian or Slackare more than any otheras (apart from Stella, which is based on CentOS and is an excellent distro in its own right). Mint's good as well though, and there's a new beta of it out so I'll be trying that one soon.

I still use Tahr 6.05 but I find that for some videos (the ones displayed as links in Twitter) the browser won't play them with the flash that installs now; it needs Chromium really.

I hote what tyou said about Devuan; I think there are still problems with Devuan unfortunately. I opike the look of the project but I mighht hold off getting it uintil the kinks have been ironed out.

If memeory serves, AntiX offers SysV as an instyall option so there's no need to use Devuan if all you want to do is avoid having to use Systemd.

Agreed. Like you,..I find I am sticking mostly with Debian and Slackware based distros. I recently read a review about Devuan, which basically said they didn't think it was "there yet" for the general linux user. I would have to agree, I'm afraid. And like you say,...Stella is a very outstanding distro as well. Antix is my very favorite Debian distro for all my older machines,...
EDIT: I'm curious about the new Linux Mint as well. However,..I always had this thing of NOT using Ubuntu, or any derivitives (I made an exception with Bodhi right now). I think that is because I started back years ago with pure Debian,..and the idea of Ubuntu didn't seem all that good at the time. Still am that way, in a bit (except for all the excellent Puppies based on it).

Colonel Panic · #2305 Post by **Colonel Panic** » Sat 11 Jun 2016, 17:47

Thanks for your reply nitie. Sorry about the typos, which I've since corrected.

To be honest, the Debian vs Ubuntu question (which you touch on) is one I haven't really resolved for myself. Not so long ago Debian won out because it was more economical with system resources than Ubuntu, but most people now have more than enough RAM in their computers to run Ubuntu easily so this is far less of an issue nowadays.

One thing I have learnt with Debian though is not to try and "mix and match"; if you're using a distro based on Debian Jessie, for example, don't try to install packages from either Ubuntu or Debian Testing as it won't work and can create a lot of problems.

learnhow2code · #2306 Post by **learnhow2code** » Sun 12 Jun 2016, 06:20

Colonel Panic wrote:the Debian vs Ubuntu question (which you touch on) is one I haven't really resolved for myself. Not so long ago Debian won out because it was more economical with system resources than Ubuntu,

i switched from ubuntu to debian, so this is an easy one. ubuntu never has anything i need to go back for, and i dont think theyre as ethical or care about the user as much as they used to (i have fond memories of xubuntu.)

these days i use devuan. its pretty stable, it has given me less trouble for the past 15 months than debian testing did prior to that.

im a fan of gnuinos and refracta, which are live devuan derivs. here is refracta running live with xfce: http://i.imgur.com/uslBGBo.webm

nitehawk · #2307 Post by **nitehawk** » Sun 12 Jun 2016, 13:15

I have heard of refracta (some time back). Didn't know it was based on Devuan (instead of Debian proper). I will have a look at that.

learnhow2code · #2308 Post by **learnhow2code** » Sun 12 Jun 2016, 14:36

nitehawk wrote:I have heard of refracta (some time back). Didn't know it was based on Devuan (instead of Debian proper).

i believe older versions were based on debian wheezy. i met the dev recently, (fsmithred) -- definitely a fan.

James C · #2309 Post by **James C** » Fri 17 Jun 2016, 06:56

Stella still solid as a rock and still no systemd......

Running well on this old 32 bit nox.

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[james@localhost ~]$ inxi -Fxx
System:    Host: localhost.localdomain Kernel: 4.6.2-1.el6.elrepo.i686 i686 (32 bit gcc: 4.4.7)
           Desktop: Gnome 2.28.2 dm: gdm Distro: Stella release 6.8 (Final)
Machine:   Mobo: MICRO-STAR INTL model: MS-7037 v: Ver 0A
           Bios: Phoenix v: 6.00 PG date: 06/08/2004
CPU:       Single core Intel Pentium 4 (-HT-) cache: 512 KB
           flags: (pae sse sse2) bmips: 6001
           clock speeds: min/max: 375/3000 MHz 1: 3000 MHz 2: 3000 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller
           bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:2572
           Display Server: CentOS X.org 1.17.4 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1440x900@59.89hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 865G
           GLX Version: 1.3  bit box.Mesa 11.0.7 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card Intel 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller
           driver: snd_intel8x0 ports: dc00 e000 bus-ID: 00:1f.5 chip-ID: 8086:24d5
           Sound: ALSA v: k4.6.2-1.el6.elrepo.i686
Network:   Card: Realtek RTL-8100/8101L/8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter
           driver: 8139too v: 0.9.28 port: a000
           bus-ID: 01:0d.0 chip-ID: 10ec:8139
           IF: eth1 state: unknown speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full
           mac: 00:11:09:27:3b:5a
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 400.1GB (1.9% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sdb model: WDC_WD2000JB size: 200.0GB serial: WD-WMAL81381041
           ID-2: /dev/sda model: WDC_WD2000JB size: 200.0GB serial: WD-WMAEP2747647
Partition: ID-1: / size: 16G used: 5.2G (33%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sdb14
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 2.31GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda2
RAID:      System: supported: N/A
           No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
           Unused Devices: none
Sensors:   None detected - is lm-sensors installed and configured?
Info:      Processes: 185 Uptime: 3 min Memory: 155.9/2009.1MB
           Init: Upstart v: 0.6.5 runlevel: 5 default: 5 Gcc sys: N/A
           Client: Shell (bash 4.1.21 running in gnome-terminal) inxi: 2.3.0 
[james@localhost ~]$

nubc · #2310 Post by **nubc** » Fri 17 Jun 2016, 08:31

Is Linux Lite 3.0 locked into systemd, or is there an option?

nitehawk · #2311 Post by **nitehawk** » Fri 17 Jun 2016, 10:18

James C wrote:Stella still solid as a rock and still no systemd......
Running well on this old 32 bit nox.

...yes,..isn't Stella lovely? Hats off to Nux. Directly based on the "Old Royalty" of linux,...CentOS. Rock solid is right.

Pete · #2312 Post by **Pete** » Fri 17 Jun 2016, 19:25

nubc wrote:Is Linux Lite 3.0 locked into systemd, or is there an option?

Good question and I would like to add one if I may..
can one run as root or is it one of those distros that try to save you from yourself?

Must say it looks pretty nice but at 960MB, it's hardly '"Lite".

nubc · #2313 Post by **nubc** » Fri 17 Jun 2016, 22:30

The Ubuntu installer bugs me more than anything. I guess I need to find a tutorial for an Ubuntu custom install.

This custom search of DistroWatch lists distributions with no systemd:
http://distrowatch.com/search.php?pkg=s ... #pkgsearch

James C · #2314 Post by **James C** » Sat 18 Jun 2016, 00:38

nubc wrote:Is Linux Lite 3.0 locked into systemd, or is there an option?

Off the top of my head I believe Ubuntu 13.10 Raring was the start of systemd in Ubuntu and distros based on Ubuntu including Linux Lite.

Just checked,Linux Lite 2.8 and later have systemd.

Colonel Panic · #2315 Post by **Colonel Panic** » Sun 19 Jun 2016, 16:54

Razor-qt's officially obsolete now, but I've found it an excellent addition to a distro like Zorin which, although it has an excellent set of apps, has defauit window manager settings which I find get in the way of what I'm trying to do. It looks good too, with a big and easily readable desktop clock and yet no additional or unnecessary clutter (especially if you use Openbox as the window manager).

For those who are interested in installing it, here are the commands to type in at the terminal;

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:razor-qt

sudo apt-get update

Once the software sources have been updated, Razor-Qt can finally be installed.

sudo apt-get install razorqt

Read more at https://dottech.org/129443/how-to-insta ... Ceyry0I.99

learnhow2code · #2316 Post by **learnhow2code** » Sun 19 Jun 2016, 18:02

Colonel Panic wrote:Razor-qt's officially obsolete now

how so? only asking, not out of skepticism. ive used it, i thought lxde was moving to lxqt (with essentially the same code to start with, so perhaps this is what you mean by "obsolete.") i havent heard about this move in a year or more.

for general (and colonel) lxde fans, perhaps even fluxbox fans (which im not) i can vouch for the tint2 panel-- it plays very nicely with openbox, even on older/low ram systems.

the one gripe about tint2 is that its config menu is terrible. if youre happy with the default settings, its great-- if you want to tweak them, you may be happier editing the settings file than using the settings gui. (ymmv.)

i love openbox and lxde, and im interested in what they do next.

Colonel Panic · #2317 Post by **Colonel Panic** » Sun 19 Jun 2016, 19:15

Hi Learnhow2code,

here's what Wikipedia says;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Razor-qt

LXQt is the main project now, and was formed from the merger of the LXDE and Razor-qt projects;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LXQt

You probably know more about the constituent libraries and toolkits of razor-qt than I do. I use it because I like the sleek, well-integrated look, including the big desktop clock which AFAIK isn't included in any other desktop environment including LXQt and LXDE, and the fact that it's easy on system resources.

Colonel Panic · #2318 Post by **Colonel Panic** » Sun 19 Jun 2016, 19:21

nitehawk wrote:
James C wrote:Stella still solid as a rock and still no systemd......
Running well on this old 32 bit nox.
...yes,..isn't Stella lovely? Hats off to Nux. Directly based on the "Old Royalty" of linux,...CentOS. Rock solid is right.

Yes it is, and as you probably know it's a "rolling release" meaning that you only need to install it to your hard drive once. From then on you can update it from the installation as often as is necessary.

learnhow2code · #2319 Post by **learnhow2code** » Sun 19 Jun 2016, 20:23

Colonel Panic wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Razor-qt

LXQt is the main project now, and was formed from the merger of the LXDE and Razor-qt projects;

oh, sort of what i thought. thanks.

im out of the habit of checking wikipedia-- so many articles deleted because WP:PIDGAF i just assume something the size of razor-qt wont be there.

it used to be something i went to before trying a search engine, cheers.

starhawk · #2320 Post by **starhawk** » Sun 19 Jun 2016, 21:35

Please spell out that acronym for those of us who don't know it...

...thanks...

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