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#106 Post by Stripe »

@ colonel panic

the mint 10 she is using is ubuntu based (the debian version would not install due to it trying to use the neuveau driver with nvidia graphics :lol: )

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#107 Post by nooby »

Stripe, I can be totally wrong but as I remember.
The Dev of Linux Mint had changed so many things
even as early as Mint 5 or at least with Mint7 that the
Ubuntu folks did see it as something them did not
want to be connected with. There was a lot of complaint
as I remember.

But Mint 10 or was it 11? was based on Debian or did he go back
to Ubuntu after 9 or 10? I would not say it is Ubuntu anymore.
It started out like that but then change so many things that it is
not ubuntu based anymore? No criticism I just try to get the history
but my poor memory can have missed something.

My 80 year old neighbor liked Mint over both Ubuntu and Puppy.
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#108 Post by Colonel Panic »

Stripe and Nooby, thanks for replying.

There are at least two different versions of Mint, but they're all derived from one of two branches and have different desktop environments (KDE, Gnome, XFce or LXDE). The standard Mint is based on Ubuntu and that's very stable and well-polished but quite demanding of resources. (I'm posting from it now.) The other one, Mint Debian, is based on Debian and is lighter on resources but rougher round the edges (as its devs admit).

Sadly I found I couldn't update or install very much with it, so I gave up. It may have got better since (my version was version 10).
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#109 Post by nooby »

Thanks Colonel Panic ah we where both right then. Both exists.
I only remembered the one that tried out Debian. But if I am right then both of them use Grub2 and none use grub legacy or grub4dos.

one have to go back to Mint 7 or something? and even then it don't boot frugally?
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#110 Post by Colonel Panic »

tikbalang wrote:
Colonel Panic wrote:
Austrumi is also a nice distro, if you can figure out how to get the menus in English (the distro comes from Latvia).

taken from "/austrumi/message.msg" (or press F1 if booting from CD):

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      lang_XX      where XX - locale (el, en, es, fr, hu, it, lv, ltg, pt_br, ru, uk) 


here it is in my grub4dos menu.lst:

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title Austrumi
find --set-root --ignore-floppies /austrumi/austrumi.lst
kernel /austrumi/bzImage dousb lang_en
initrd /austrumi/initrd.gz

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Thanks for the info, I'll try that the next time I'm using Austrumi.

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#111 Post by Colonel Panic »

nooby wrote:Thanks Colonel Panic ah we where both right then. Both exists.
I only remembered the one that tried out Debian. But if I am right then both of them use Grub2 and none use grub legacy or grub4dos.

one have to go back to Mint 7 or something? and even then it don't boot frugally?
Maybe. I used Mint 5 and it was OK, even in 256 MB of RAM. The problem with it was that it was two years out of date at the time and therefore the repositories for it weren't accessible.

If you're willing to keep to the software it comes with you should be fine.

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Unity or Granular linux

#112 Post by einar »

Anyone tried Unity linux ? http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=06872

or Granular that is based on it ? http://www.granularlinux.com/index.php?action=home ?

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#113 Post by eps »

unity last not boot
Granular 1.0 is pclos remastered
eps

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Re: Unity or Granular linux

#114 Post by ttuuxxx »

einar wrote:Anyone tried Unity linux ? http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=06872

or Granular that is based on it ? http://www.granularlinux.com/index.php?action=home ?
I just read upon Unity and here's a quote "Unity will only be released in a cli only version (command line interface) from this point on." the latest release was around the same size as Upup, but its only cli, Kind of really only for advanced users that can build gtk and then all the other needed apps.

And Granular is 700MB iso that hasn't been updated since 2009

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#115 Post by Colonel Panic »

I've just downloaded and tried Archbang. It looks quite impressive and runs well in limited hardware except that so far I haven't been able to get sound working on it for Youtube videos etc.
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#116 Post by nooby »

Colonel Panic wrote:I've just downloaded and tried Archbang. It looks quite impressive and runs well in limited hardware except that so far I haven't been able to get sound working on it for Youtube videos etc.
I trust you did a full install on a partition for linux or on a USB Flash or your tested in a VBox or something?
Archbang don't install frugally on ntfs does it?

You could have told us if them used isolinux or grub4dos or grub2 :)
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#117 Post by lowrider »

Colonel Panic wrote:I've just downloaded and tried Archbang. It looks quite impressive and runs well in limited hardware except that so far I haven't been able to get sound working on it for Youtube videos etc.
Yes, Archbang of course is a good choice for limited hardware but its a pain in the a** for a "notsoexpieriencedlinuxnoob" and the package managment and all sort of configuration is command line interface only. If one can handle that, great fun.
I prefere Crunchbang Linux which is
- somewhat similar in looks and resources
- Debian based and therefore rocksolid and stable
- not on the cutting bleeding edge on software (oh, you can be on top of the state by apt-pinning but be warned. that can go Crunch Bang!! :lol: )
- the first and still the best (for me) of all bangs
and at least it works straight OOTB

oh, not to forget the great community... give it a try

HP: http://crunchbanglinux.org/
Forum: http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/

@nooby
no, no one has ever tried to install CB in a frugal way on ntfs :wink:
Why should one? I am sure a high percentage of linux (or whatever kind of OS) users didn't even heard of frugal. They, just like me install the OS on the first HD and configure the Bootloader (may it be the Windoze one or Grub or Lilo or Grub2) to boot another OS. My Puppys are all installed in frugal on sda2 but my mainOS lives full installed on sda1...

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#118 Post by nooby »

lowrider wrote:no, no one has ever tried to install CB in a frugal way on ntfs Wink
Why should one?
lowrider, yes why should one? Because one can? Because one want to due to less work less complications when it do work? Because it is elegant, or just cool. Why should one not want to? I've done it with many others so why not ArchBang? are them that high brow or elite to not want to be frugal? Friendly teasing. Them want to be unique and special only for the "Linux Expert" ?
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#119 Post by Colonel Panic »

lowrider wrote:
Colonel Panic wrote:I've just downloaded and tried Archbang. It looks quite impressive and runs well in limited hardware except that so far I haven't been able to get sound working on it for Youtube videos etc.
Yes, Archbang of course is a good choice for limited hardware but its a pain in the a** for a "notsoexpieriencedlinuxnoob" and the package managment and all sort of configuration is command line interface only. If one can handle that, great fun.
I prefere Crunchbang Linux which is
- somewhat similar in looks and resources
- Debian based and therefore rocksolid and stable
- not on the cutting bleeding edge on software (oh, you can be on top of the state by apt-pinning but be warned. that can go Crunch Bang!! :lol: )
- the first and still the best (for me) of all bangs
and at least it works straight OOTB

oh, not to forget the great community... give it a try

HP: http://crunchbanglinux.org/
Forum: http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/
Thanks. I've long wanted to try Arch but was put off by the very snooty user forums, and ArchBang's are a lot friendlier. You can use the Arch package manager, pacman, in ArchBang just as you can in Arch. I haven't installed it yet though (in fact I'm posting from Puppy 4.00).

Maybe after several years of using Linux it's time I got more used to the command line, though I already do some basic stuff like unzipping, untarring and compiling source packages.

If you've got a really old computer, ConnochaetOS is also based on Arch and uses the Arch package manager. It's more limited than ArchBang though, to run in 64 MB of RAM (for example, it doesn't yet have Osmo although the dev told me he was looking into compiling it).

I've tried CrunchBang but I didn't get a good ISO from it. The only way to download it is from bit torrents and if you're not careful those can restart once the download has finished and overwrite the new iso (yes, it happened to me :)). Pity, because it's got a good rep.
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#120 Post by nooby »

Sorry if I am a PITA but this ConnochaetOS can them boot frugally then?
I visited their forum and seems none else mention frugal?
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#121 Post by Colonel Panic »

nooby wrote:Sorry if I am a PITA but this ConnochaetOS can them boot frugally then?
I visited their forum and seems none else mention frugal?
No, it doesn't even boot as a live disk. It's designed to be installed to the computer's hard drive and run from there.

Best,

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#122 Post by nooby »

Yes it is a real Linux as them usually tell me when I ask about frugal install.

I wish we could come up with a better name for it. poor man install and frugal install is very down putting.

it should ahve a catchy name that is easy to get. Why not rename it to

The easy way to install.

Edit from withing latest Bodhi booted frugally using a iso boot on the NTFS internal HDD but having the needed grub2 on a USB Flash memory and also using both iso and teh Casper files.

I try to make a copy of the code here later if Bodhi allow me to find the Flash somehow.

I am in Midori obviously but have not tested if I can do Flash youtube clips

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menuentry "Bodhi  ISO" {
 loopback loop (hd1,3)/bodhi_1.2.0.iso
 linux (loop)/casper/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/bodhi.seed boot=casper initrd=/casper/initrd.gz iso-scan/filename=/bodhi_1.2.0.iso noeject noprompt splash --
 initrd (loop)/casper/initrd.gz
}
So I dragged all files out on / and also put bodhi_1.2.0.iso on / and then due to Acer having it on third partition I needed to have the
loopback loop (hd1,3)/bodhi_1.2.0.iso
there so it knows where to find it.

I don't know if it really use the Casper directory. Maybe it load it from the iso and that one don't have to drag them out. I am too lazy to test.
But one can get it going but maybe it does not allow me to do much due to me beign"live user" which has write restrictions on the drive one boot from.

The file manager let me see sda1 and sda2 but not sda3. Not applied something it says.

So I will put it on the usb maybe and see if that allow me to see files on sda3.

But I have no idea what to put on the usb or how to boot from it. Sorry.

Can somebody help me out?
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#123 Post by Colonel Panic »

'Fraid I don't know much about Bodhi. However, Puppyluvr had a Puppy based on Enlightenment which I've used and enjoyed recently (see my sig).

I've tried to install Zenwalk 7 (Standard) recently but had no luck. The Openbox version of Zenwalk, though, installed and runs fine on my machine so it merits a recommendation from me :).

Not that keen on the default wallpaper though, but you can always change that.
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#124 Post by nooby »

Here is how to boot Bodhi on USB from grub2 from usb flash.

make use of the grub2 version that rcrsn51 made for Nooby the link in my signature can find it. I try to edit later today or tomorrow to give link. How to Make a Bootable Flash Drive using GRUB2

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=67235
Anyway the boot code is this

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menuentry "Bodhi  ISO" {
 loopback loop /bodhi_1.2.0.iso
 linux (loop)/casper/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/bodhi.seed boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/bodhi_1.2.0.iso noeject noprompt splash --
 initrd (loop)/casper/initrd.gz
}
so you place the iso on the usb no need to extract anything. frugal iso boot
I am writing from it now to get åäö I did setxkbmap se so if you are German or Frech or Spanish you do the same but change to de or fr or es to get your keyboard map

One are booted as User bodhi but there is not password! How safe is that? I mean every criminal knows that because them tell on their site

now that I can boot from usb then it do allow me to look at all hard disk partition which it did not allow when I was booting from sda3.

The iso is some 350MB big. But Bodhi is not as complete as Puppy is.

but it feels good to be able to use something others talk about
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#125 Post by nitehawk »

Well,..I just tried out PC-BSD 8.2 on a spare hard drive (on my Dell Optiplex P4--2.8Ghz--1G ram--160G hd). And Yikes!
I had last used PC-BSD some years ago (about 2007, I think) and it worked very well with the old HP Vectra PIII that I had. But it doesn't play nice with my P4 now. Must be the super-heavy KDE4. I got it installed and booted to a really nice-looking desktop,.....then my poor Dell computer started sounding like a jet plane on take-off !!! The fans started wizzing at full-speed,..and the KDE system monitor said that my 2 CPUs were spiking to 100%. I just shut her down,...and opened the computer case to let it cool down.
I hear that PC_BSD 9 will include other (smaller) desktop environments besides that KDE4 stuff,......so I may try it again then. Meanwhile,...I'm very grateful for Puppy. You know,....it's funny,...but Slackware doesn't almost blow up my computer when I run KDE4 with it,....but then, Pat has trimmed the fat and made it "sleeker" than the other distros that use KDE4.

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