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#2461 Post by Billtoo »

I have Gecko-Linux Rolling XFCE4 installed on my lenovo desktop pc:

bill@Lenovo:~> inxi -bw
System: Host: Lenovo Kernel: 4.8.8-1-default x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: Xfce 4.12.2 Distro: openSUSE Tumbleweed
Machine: Device: desktop System: LENOVO product: 7491B8U v: ThinkCentre M58e
Mobo: LENOVO model: N/A BIOS: LENOVO v: 5HKT39AUS date: 06/17/2009
CPU: Dual core Intel Core2 Duo E8400 (-MCP-) speed/max: 2003/3003 MHz
Graphics: Card: Intel 4 Series Integrated Graphics Controller
Display Server: X.Org 1.18.4 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev) Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz
GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel G41 GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 13.0.1
Network: Card: Marvell 88E8057 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: sky2
Drives: HDD Total Size: 320.1GB (3.6% used)
Weather: Conditions: 32 F (0 C) - Overcast Time: November 20, 10:13 AM EST
Info: Processes: 178 Uptime: 0:03 Memory: 376.4/3823.1MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.4
bill@Lenovo:~> free
total used free shared buff/cache available
Mem: 3914888 350848 3201604 77248 362436 3268096
Swap: 2103292 0 2103292
bill@Lenovo:~>


I've been running this distro for a couple of weeks and there have been many updates installed (about 100 last update)
it's working well.
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#2462 Post by Billtoo »

I was curious to see how well Gecko-Linux Rolling would perform on my
eMachines laptop so I installed it to the hard drive:

bill@D620:~> inxi -bw
System: Host: D620 Kernel: 4.8.8-1-default x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: Xfce 4.12.2
Distro: openSUSE Tumbleweed
Machine: Device: portable System: eMachines product: eMachines D620 v: 0100
Mobo: eMachines model: eMachines D620 v: Rev BIOS: Phoenix v: V1.03 date: 09/26/2008
Battery BAT0: charge: 35.8 Wh 96.3% condition: 37.2/44.0 Wh (85%)
CPU: Single core AMD Athlon 2650e (-UP-) speed: 1600 MHz (max)
Graphics: Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] RS690M [Radeon Xpress 1200/1250/1270]
Display Server: X.Org 1.18.4 drivers: ati,radeon (unloaded: fbdev)
Resolution: 1280x800@60.00hz
GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on ATI RS690 GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 13.0.1
Network: Card-1: Marvell 88E8040 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller driver: sky2
Card-2: Broadcom Limited BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY driver: wl
Drives: HDD Total Size: 160.0GB (5.2% used)
Weather: Conditions: 27 F (-3 C) - light snow low drifting snow Time: November 21, 10:00 AM EST
Info: Processes: 165 Uptime: 0:21 Memory: 386.3/1746.9MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.4
bill@D620:~> free
total used free shared buff/cache available
Mem: 1788856 357880 780700 22148 650276 1276260
Swap: 2103292 0 2103292
bill@D620:~>

It's working very well.
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#2463 Post by Billtoo »

I installed the xfce4 spin of Fedora release 25 (Twenty Five) to the
hard drive of my compaq desktop pc.

[bill@compaq ~]$ inxi -bw
System: Host: compaq Kernel: 4.8.8-300.fc25.x86_64 x86_64 (64 bit)
Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3 Distro: Fedora release 25 (Twenty Five)
Machine: Device: desktop System: Compaq-Presario product: AU194AA-A2L CQ5123F
Mobo: MSI model: Boston v: 1.0 BIOS: Phoenix v: 5.24 date: 06/19/2009
CPU: Dual core Pentium E5200 (-MCP-) speed/max: 1600/2500 MHz
Graphics: Card: Intel 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller
Display Server: Fedora X.org 118999.2 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz
GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel G33 GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 12.0.3
Network: Card: Realtek RTL8101/2/6E PCI Express Fast/Gigabit Ethernet controller
driver: r8169
Drives: HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (1.9% used)
Weather: Conditions: 32 F (0 C) - light snow Time: November 24, 1:46 PM EST
Info: Processes: 160 Uptime: 1:03 Memory: 734.4/3941.5MB
Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.3
[bill@compaq ~]$ free
total used free shared buff/cache available
Mem: 4036060 558216 1000600 160308 2477244 2999008
Swap: 4169724 0 4169724
[bill@compaq ~]$

The installer took about an hour, installing updates didn't go smoothly
because of a problem with one file but once it was deselected from the
list all other updates installed.
Seems to be working well.
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#2464 Post by Colonel Panic »

I've just booted up the live version of ALT LIinux, a Russian distribution which uses rpm packages and apt for package management. So far I'm trying to figure out how to boot the distro in English; I thought I'd done it but all the text in menu options and icons is in Russian. Oh well, back to systemd-free distros for the nonce (a good old English word there).
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#2465 Post by Colonel Panic »

I'm posting this from Salix 14.2 XFce (live disk). So far I'm impressed (it looks good as always and works well) although I haven't tried installing it yet.
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#2466 Post by Billtoo »

I installed Gecko-Linux Rolling Gnome spin to my Acer Aspire desktop
pc.
bill@Aceri3:~> inxi -bw
System: Host: Aceri3 Kernel: 4.8.10-1-default x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: Gnome 3.22.2
Distro: openSUSE Tumbleweed
Machine: Device: desktop Mobo: Acer model: Aspire X3950 BIOS: American Megatrends v: P01-A3 date: 05/05/2010
CPU: Dual core Intel Core i3 540 (-HT-MCP-) speed/max: 1200/3067 MHz
Graphics: Card: Intel Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
Display Server: X.Org 1.18.4 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev)
Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz, 1920x1080@60.00hz
GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ironlake Desktop GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 13.0.1
Network: Card-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: r8169
Card-2: D-Link System AirPlus G DWL-G122 Wireless Adapter(rev.C1) [Ralink RT2571W]
driver: rt73usb
Drives: HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (2.0% used)
Weather: Conditions: 41 F (5 C) - Mostly Cloudy Time: November 29, 9:02 PM EST
Info: Processes: 202 Uptime: 0:43 Memory: 534.6/5831.9MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.4
bill@Aceri3:~> free
total used free shared buff/cache available
Mem: 5971904 468472 3929852 248672 1573580 5028992
Swap: 2103292 0 2103292
bill@Aceri3:~>

It's working well so far.
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#2467 Post by belham2 »

Hey, Billtoo, ColonelPanic and James C---- have one of you ever tried the latest Deepin (as of nov '16) OS with its Deepin DE?

I downloaded (using an old disposable router, lol---changed it out and reset all my provider's broadband settings afterwards) and installed it to a secluded (off-network) computer, and holycow, it HAS to be the best Linux Desktop environment I have seen to date over the past decade. Problem is, given where it came from and such, I cannot bring myself to let it out of its cage and play. I have....uhmmm...cough, cough....some trust issues (I remember the debacle of Red Linux, haha) given its origins.

Any of you want to be a guinea pig? To post some pics so people can see the gorgeousness of the Deepin DE. The Deepin' DE is a knockout, plus it is arguably the most intelligent I have seen in Linux since the Enlightenment & Moksha DEs.

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#2468 Post by Billtoo »

belham2 wrote:Hey, Billtoo, ColonelPanic and James C---- have one of you ever tried the latest Deepin (as of nov '16) OS with its Deepin DE?

I downloaded (using an old disposable router, lol---changed it out and reset all my provider's broadband settings afterwards) and installed it to a secluded (off-network) computer, and holycow, it HAS to be the best Linux Desktop environment I have seen to date over the past decade. Problem is, given where it came from and such, I cannot bring myself to let it out of its cage and play. I have....uhmmm...cough, cough....some trust issues (I remember the debacle of Red Linux, haha) given its origins.

Any of you want to be a guinea pig? To post some pics so people can see the gorgeousness of the Deepin DE. The Deepin' DE is a knockout, plus it is arguably the most intelligent I have seen in Linux since the Enlightenment & Moksha DEs.
My main OS is Gecko-Linux Rolling, I checked the package manager for
Enlightenment and installed it on my laptop:

bill@D620:~> inxi -b
System: Host: D620 Kernel: 4.8.10-1-default x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: Enlightenment 0.21.3
Distro: openSUSE Tumbleweed
Machine: Device: portable System: eMachines product: eMachines D620 v: 0100
Mobo: eMachines model: eMachines D620 v: Rev BIOS: Phoenix v: V1.03 date: 09/26/2008
Battery BAT0: charge: 35.8 Wh 96.3% condition: 37.2/44.0 Wh (85%)
CPU: Single core AMD Athlon 2650e (-UP-) speed/max: 800/1600 MHz
Graphics: Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] RS690M [Radeon Xpress 1200/1250/1270]
Display Server: X.Org 1.18.4 drivers: ati,radeon (unloaded: fbdev) Resolution: 1280x800@60.00hz
GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on ATI RS690 GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 13.0.1
Network: Card-1: Marvell 88E8040 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller driver: sky2
Card-2: Broadcom Limited BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY driver: wl
Drives: HDD Total Size: 160.0GB (6.8% used)
Info: Processes: 139 Uptime: 0:10 Memory: 325.7/1746.9MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.4
bill@D620:~>

I've never used Enlightenment much (macpup briefly) so it's pretty well new to
me but I'll play with this for a while and switch back to xfce4 later.

Thanks

EDIT: I discovered icewm is available too:
System: Host: D620 Kernel: 4.8.10-1-default x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: IceWM 1.3.12
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#2469 Post by Colonel Panic »

belham2 wrote:Hey, Billtoo, ColonelPanic and James C---- have one of you ever tried the latest Deepin (as of nov '16) OS with its Deepin DE?

I downloaded (using an old disposable router, lol---changed it out and reset all my provider's broadband settings afterwards) and installed it to a secluded (off-network) computer, and holycow, it HAS to be the best Linux Desktop environment I have seen to date over the past decade. Problem is, given where it came from and such, I cannot bring myself to let it out of its cage and play. I have....uhmmm...cough, cough....some trust issues (I remember the debacle of Red Linux, haha) given its origins.

Any of you want to be a guinea pig? To post some pics so people can see the gorgeousness of the Deepin DE. The Deepin' DE is a knockout, plus it is arguably the most intelligent I have seen in Linux since the Enlightenment & Moksha DEs.
Hi there,

Sorry but at the moment I'm mostly interested in distros which don't use systemd, such as Devuan, Refracta (which is based on Devuan), Slack-based distros such as Salix and Vector, and Manjaro OpenRC.

Other people's experiences may be different but my computer is eight years old now and it is almost as though it's recovered from a mild dose of 'flu since I gave up systemd - in particular, it boots up a lot faster and there's no waiting 1 min 30 seconds for a process to complete before it starts loading the desktop.

I agree that Deepin's screenshots look good though.
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#2470 Post by belham2 »

Billtoo wrote:
My main OS is Gecko-Linux Rolling, I checked the package manager for
Enlightenment and installed it on my laptop:
Hi Bill,

I didn't even know we could get Enlightenment on OpenSUSE Tumbleweed or Gecko-Linux Rolling. I currently have OpenSUSE Tumbleweed on one of my main desktops----love the heck out of it. I honestly cannot tell any difference between Tumbleweed and Gecko...what have you seen? The DEs are identical, the menus, the setup, the layouts.....Gecko made a few cosmetic changes, but nothing worth mentioning (unless I am missing something whic is entirely possible, haha :lol: ). It just seems to me Gecko took Tumbleweed and slapped the Gecko name on it & that's all. Oh well, either way, OpenSUSE Tumbleweed is great (along with Manjaro XFCE)....never have to worry about them going obsolete and/or not being updated over their lifetime. That's awesome to me :D

I am going to see if I can get the Enlightenment on the OpenSUSE Tumbleweed and see how it acts against the tightly KDE-integration OpenSUSE is known for.

Thanks!!

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#2471 Post by belham2 »

Colonel Panic wrote:
Hi there,

Sorry but at the moment I'm mostly interested in distros which don't use systemd, such as Devuan, Refracta (which is based on Devuan), Slack-based distros such as Salix and Vector, and Manjaro OpenRC.

Other people's experiences may be different but my computer is eight years old now and it is almost as though it's recovered from a mild dose of 'flu since I gave up systemd - in particular, it boots up a lot faster and there's no waiting 1 min 30 seconds for a process to complete before it starts loading the desktop.

I agree that Deepin's screenshots look good though.
Hi ColonelPanic!

Yup, sorry, I completely forgot (I do remember reading it before) that you are anti systemd. All my main desktops (5 in the house, family demands it) are 7-8 year old systems, but I am running unlocked (to a dual core) AMD II Regors, 2.5Ghz with either 2GB and/or 4GB or DDR2 ram. It's strange you have problems with systemd. For me, I have watched boot times stay the same and/or even drop (have learned a lot reading what Jamesbond of Fatdog64 has explained), but more importantly, application load times are quicker and the system is actually more stable. Imho, a lot of misinformation has been written about systemd. There are very good reasons why the Linux world moved to it, and those reasons are only getting stronger and more varied every day.

Possibly, when specifically speaking of boot times, the slowness on your system has something to do with either that Acer setup (the motherboard) and/or that Intel Duo Core. I can say, in other forums over the past year, I have read people complaining of boot times, and interestingly, several of them, from what I remember, are on 5-8 year old Intel chips (don't ever remember, though, much about Acer being mentioned).

Anyhow, I am too scared to let that Chinese Deepin OS and desktop out of its seclusion & onto my network (and router) and/or another computer. I am sure it is fine to use, but I wish I could get over this bias.....doggone the Chinese really screwed the pooch a few years ago with the Red Linux debacle (massive phoning home of everything to China). Plus, the Chinese gov't is known to always be trying to get their hands/reach into any OS/software being produced in China (witness the various murky stuff that has gone with WPS Office Suite---a fantastic product, but which has been found to have some peculiar behavior).

So, regrettably, I'll be deleting this Deepin OS and Deepin desktop. Maybe someday if one of the big Linux distros vet and allow Deepin into their repositores, I'll then give it a go once more. Again, the Deepin desktop environment, imho, is hands down the most goregous and functionally logical (for use and viewing) of any desktop linux I have seen over the past decade. The youtube videos alone on Deepin DE speak volumes to these qualities. A real close 2nd in desktop environments is the Enlightenment & Moksha DEs. Unity/KDE/Mate/XFCE/et al are going to have to up their game as these 3 Des become more widely seen and thus adopted.

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#2472 Post by Colonel Panic »

belham2 wrote:
Colonel Panic wrote:
Hi there,

Sorry but at the moment I'm mostly interested in distros which don't use systemd, such as Devuan, Refracta (which is based on Devuan), Slack-based distros such as Salix and Vector, and Manjaro OpenRC.

Other people's experiences may be different but my computer is eight years old now and it is almost as though it's recovered from a mild dose of 'flu since I gave up systemd - in particular, it boots up a lot faster and there's no waiting 1 min 30 seconds for a process to complete before it starts loading the desktop.

I agree that Deepin's screenshots look good though.
Hi ColonelPanic!

Yup, sorry, I completely forgot (I do remember reading it before) that you are anti systemd. All my main desktops (5 in the house, family demands it) are 7-8 year old systems, but I am running unlocked (to a dual core) AMD II Regors, 2.5Ghz with either 2GB and/or 4GB or DDR2 ram. It's strange you have problems with systemd. For me, I have watched boot times stay the same and/or even drop (have learned a lot reading what Jamesbond of Fatdog64 has explained), but more importantly, application load times are quicker and the system is actually more stable. Imho, a lot of misinformation has been written about systemd. There are very good reasons why the Linux world moved to it, and those reasons are only getting stronger and more varied every day.

Possibly, when specifically speaking of boot times, the slowness on your system has something to do with either that Acer setup (the motherboard) and/or that Intel Duo Core. I can say, in other forums over the past year, I have read people complaining of boot times, and interestingly, several of them, from what I remember, are on 5-8 year old Intel chips (don't ever remember, though, much about Acer being mentioned).

Anyhow, I am too scared to let that Chinese Deepin OS and desktop out of its seclusion & onto my network (and router) and/or another computer. I am sure it is fine to use, but I wish I could get over this bias.....doggone the Chinese really screwed the pooch a few years ago with the Red Linux debacle (massive phoning home of everything to China). Plus, the Chinese gov't is known to always be trying to get their hands/reach into any OS/software being produced in China (witness the various murky stuff that has gone with WPS Office Suite---a fantastic product, but which has been found to have some peculiar behavior).

So, regrettably, I'll be deleting this Deepin OS and Deepin desktop. Maybe someday if one of the big Linux distros vet and allow Deepin into their repositores, I'll then give it a go once more. Again, the Deepin desktop environment, imho, is hands down the most goregous and functionally logical (for use and viewing) of any desktop linux I have seen over the past decade. The youtube videos alone on Deepin DE speak volumes to these qualities. A real close 2nd in desktop environments is the Enlightenment & Moksha DEs. Unity/KDE/Mate/XFCE/et al are going to have to up their game as these 3 Des become more widely seen and thus adopted.
"There are very good reasons why the Linux world moved to it, and those reasons are only getting stronger and more varied every day.

Possibly, when specifically speaking of boot times, the slowness on your system has something to do with either that Acer setup (the motherboard) and/or that Intel Duo Core. I can say, in other forums over the past year, I have read people complaining of boot times, and interestingly, several of them, from what I remember, are on 5-8 year old Intel chips (don't ever remember, though, much about Acer being mentioned)."

You could be right, but this is why I said, as I often do; "Other people's experiences may be different." The phenomenon I refer to (processes which take 1 min 30 sec to complete before the machine will boot into the desktop) iis very consistent across the distros I've used which employ systemd and simply doesn't happen in distros which don't. There's no implication that this is true for everyone else who uses a systemd-based distro.

One of the advantages of Linux is that there's a lot of choice; if something irks you, you can move to another distro rather than spending a minimum of half an hour (and usually more) reading up on the man pages and tech forums to try and get a handle on what's been going wrong. It's an option which Windows users don't have (especially since Windows 10 updates itself automatically now by default).

I'm posting this from Salix 14.2, which is based on Slackware that doesn't use systemd. I haven't noticed any disadvantages to that (except perhaps that it wouldn't run Gnome-based software, but Slackware doesn't by default anyway).
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#2473 Post by rufwoof »

Possibly, when specifically speaking of boot times, the slowness on your system has something to do with either that Acer setup (the motherboard) and/or that Intel Duo Core. I can say, in other forums over the past year, I have read people complaining of boot times, and interestingly, several of them, from what I remember, are on 5-8 year old Intel chips (don't ever remember, though, much about Acer being mentioned)."
When I started using Debian and systemD some months back I also had some instances of 1 min 30 waits during shutdown.

A combination of BIOS changes and using

sudo systemd-analyze
sudo systemd-analyze blame

commands to identify and disable certain services cured the problem. I believe one of the slow-downs was due to waiting for a floppy disk that the BIOS indicated to be present but wasn't physically present. Another was the network connection and a move from Frisbee to WICD resolved that.

Code: Select all

user@debian:~$ sudo systemd-analyze
Startup finished in 20.524s (kernel) + 14.165s (userspace) = 34.690s
user@debian:~$ 

Code: Select all

user@debian:~$ sudo systemd-analyze blame
          6.415s wicd.service
          5.343s preload.service
          4.344s lightdm.service
          3.806s ufw.service
          3.331s exim4.service
          1.995s live-config.service
          1.713s systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service
          1.459s networking.service
          1.432s alsa-restore.service
          1.402s systemd-logind.service
          1.393s rc-local.service
          1.388s irqbalance.service
          1.386s ntp.service
          1.371s avahi-daemon.service
          1.240s systemd-modules-load.service
          1.208s nfs-common.service
          1.039s udisks2.service
          1.009s rsyslog.service
           946ms polkitd.service
           834ms systemd-journal-flush.service
           754ms keyboard-setup.service
           722ms kbd.service
           694ms rpcbind.service
           622ms rtkit-daemon.service
           462ms sys-kernel-debug.mount
           432ms dev-mqueue.mount
           430ms dev-hugepages.mount
           416ms systemd-random-seed.service
           385ms systemd-tmpfiles-setup-dev.service
           339ms kmod-static-nodes.service
           292ms console-setup.service
           260ms systemd-remount-fs.service
           253ms systemd-setup-dgram-qlen.service
           145ms systemd-user-sessions.service
           114ms user@1000.service
            83ms systemd-update-utmp.service
            59ms systemd-udev-trigger.service
            44ms systemd-udevd.service
            37ms systemd-sysctl.service
            18ms udev-finish.service
            15ms plymouth-quit.service
            12ms plymouth-read-write.service
             7ms systemd-update-utmp-runlevel.service
             6ms live-tools.service
             6ms plymouth-quit-wait.service
             5ms tmp.mount
             2ms sys-fs-fuse-connections.mount
My current is relatively slow to boot, 35 seconds or so, because I use a save 'file' (partition) that's fully loaded with a full install (and a empty main sfs), so I can boot frugally similar to Puppy, but also boot full install style (that I use to apply some updates). i.e. a large 'save-file' content. If I moved all of the save content into the main sfs then startup times around halve (as typically a sfs is half the size (compressed) of data to be IO'd).

Its relatively easy to add or remove services (or create your own) from/to systemD. The standard default choice works OK for many, but like most things a tweak or two here or there for machine specifics can make a significant difference.

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#2474 Post by Colonel Panic »

Thanks for the info rufwoof. I may well take your advice if I want to install any software which would require systemd (such as Dropbox, which I believe uses Gnome libraries); for the time being, though, I'm managing OK without it. If it turned out that it was a matter of a phantom floppy disk, or something similar, causing the problem then that would be good although I'd still be reluctant to disable any services unless I was very sure of what I was doing (which I'm not frankly).

I think the arguments about systemd and sysinit (and other alternatives such as OpenRC too) will go on, but for now at least I'm glad that there's still a choice.
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#2475 Post by belham2 »

Billtoo wrote:
My main OS is Gecko-Linux Rolling, I checked the package manager for
Enlightenment and installed it on my laptop:

Hi Bill,

Sorry to bug you again...was wondering if I could ask a question about Gecko-rolling (since it is based on OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, which I use as one of my main, big distros) and SSDs. Have you installed Gecko-Rolling on any SSD? If so, can I ask if you've done or do anything special in prepping the SSD (assuming it is full install or a big partition install)?

I bought a new SSD, and am trying to read about how Linux handles SSDs and that each distro might be need to set up differently to optimize and maintain the SSD. From reading, I found that Ubuntu and Linux Mint changed their distro (kernels) to install and set up fstrim to run once a week, which is vital for SSD health. But other Linux distributions, including Debian and Fedora, do not. The user has to set everything (script included) up manually in order for "fstrim" to run.

What did you do for OpenSUSE (I see in your specs listed, when you test distros, you usually always mention it is on a SSD)? I read this from OpenSUSE: https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:SSD_discard_(trim)_support , but as is sometimes typical from OpenSUSE explanations, you can't make heads or tails sense (as a user) what you're actually supposed to do.

Thanks for any help/tips/suggestions

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#2476 Post by Burn_IT »

It's an option which Windows users don't NEED
"Just think of it as leaving early to avoid the rush" - T Pratchett

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#2477 Post by Billtoo »

belham2 wrote:
Billtoo wrote:
My main OS is Gecko-Linux Rolling, I checked the package manager for
Enlightenment and installed it on my laptop:

Hi Bill,

Sorry to bug you again...was wondering if I could ask a question about Gecko-rolling (since it is based on OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, which I use as one of my main, big distros) and SSDs. Have you installed Gecko-Rolling on any SSD? If so, can I ask if you've done or do anything special in prepping the SSD (assuming it is full install or a big partition install)?

I bought a new SSD, and am trying to read about how Linux handles SSDs and that each distro might be need to set up differently to optimize and maintain the SSD. From reading, I found that Ubuntu and Linux Mint changed their distro (kernels) to install and set up fstrim to run once a week, which is vital for SSD health. But other Linux distributions, including Debian and Fedora, do not. The user has to set everything (script included) up manually in order for "fstrim" to run.

What did you do for OpenSUSE (I see in your specs listed, when you test distros, you usually always mention it is on a SSD)? I read this from OpenSUSE: https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:SSD_discard_(trim)_support , but as is sometimes typical from OpenSUSE explanations, you can't make heads or tails sense (as a user) what you're actually supposed to do.

Thanks for any help/tips/suggestions
Hi,

I have Gecko on one SSD (128GB Verbatim USB-3.0) but I wasn't aware
that any special maintenance was required to keep the SSD healthy.
I didn't use that particular install much and am now running Gecko
Gnome from the hard drive.

There may be a setting in Yast that deals with it but the openSuse
forum would be the place to find out more about installing to an SSD I guess.

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#2478 Post by rokytnji »

Easy to do manually

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#fstrim -v /
/: 3.7 GiB (3928014848 bytes) trimmed
# fstrim -v /home
/home: 24.2 GiB (25944813568 bytes) trimmed
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#2479 Post by Billtoo »

I found this link that talks about SSD's in openSuse:

https://lizards.opensuse.org/2015/02/06 ... -opensuse/

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Here's the Deepin DE Environment on latest Debian Testing

#2480 Post by belham2 »

Ok, one, two, three HAILS for Sparky Linux! This distro (based on Debian Testing) is carving out a niche, quickly, and justifiably. They're from Poland, and they use Debian Testing as the base, and then give you the choice of an incredible array of desktop environments to put on top. All from inside their graphical CLI (sounds counterintuitive, I know, but try it, it is awesome and simple) after you download a minimal install (basically the Debian Testing Minimal ISO (~480MB). So, after getting the Minimal ISO installed, fired up the "Sparky-Installer", and easily went thru the paces setting up the Deepin Desktop environment. And I can confirm (as you are hearing from the Youtube videos popping up about it---and also what I mentioned a few msgs ago in this thread)....the Deepin DE has to be contending for not only the desktop envirnoment of the year, but also the future. It is simple, yet powerful, fast, and it is drop-dead gorgeous. The Deepin team (In China) has done an incredible job (it is the fastest growing DE in Asia right now, and spreading).

Below are some pictures of Deepin on this Sparky Debian Testing. I hope the pics can do this DE some justice. From the little things like holding your mouse over the sound icon in the taskbar and just scrolling the wheel to either raise or lower the sound (genius, right?), to the simple, tight elegance of their full on dark theme & icons (this theme even wraps up Firefox and Thunderbird, something other Linux themes struggle with and force you download add-on dark themes for those). Also, look at that beautiful, transparent launcher (just click the purple rocket in the left taskbar, and their is everything to launch in your system). Also, look at the system settings, to the right, just click the settings icon on the middle-right of the taskbar, and look at that simple full-side right hand pop up that has every setting for the system. Overall, just tightness, simpleness, and beauty.

Short end of the stick here? You're doing yourself, if you are a Linux luver, a disservice if you are not giving the Deepin DE a try. It is, with Enlightement and Moksha DEs, the future of DE Linux environments. In fact, it is arguably the one everyone is aspiring to be right now.
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