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Billtoo


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PostPosted: Sun 28 May 2017, 10:33    Post subject: Other Distros  

I decided to give Xubuntu 17.04 a try so I removed Devuan 1.0 and put Xubuntu
on the SSD.

bill@bill-HPE-410f:~$ inxi -b
System: Host: bill-HPE-410f Kernel: 4.10.0-19-generic x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3
Distro: Ubuntu 17.04
Machine: Device: desktop System: Hewlett-Packard product: HPE-410f
Mobo: FOXCONN model: 2AB1 v: 1.00 BIOS: American Megatrends v: 6.02 date: 07/21/2010
CPU: Hexa core AMD Phenom II X6 1045T (-MCP-) speed/max: 800/2700 MHz
Graphics: Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Redwood PRO [Radeon HD 5550/5570/5630/6510/6610/7570]
Display Server: X.Org 1.19.3 drivers: ati,radeon (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz, 1920x1080@60.00hz
GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on AMD REDWOOD (DRM 2.49.0 / 4.10.0-19-generic, LLVM 4.0.0)
GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 17.0.3
Network: Card-1: Ralink RT3090 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe driver: rt2800pci
Card-2: Realtek RTL8101/2/6E PCI Express Fast/Gigabit Ethernet controller driver: r8169
Drives: HDD Total Size: 1128.2GB (11.1% used)
Info: Processes: 225 Uptime: 2:46 Memory: 1136.9/7981.5MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.8
bill@bill-HPE-410f:~$

It's working well so far.

EDIT: I moved the SSD from my hp desktop to my older dual core compaq
desktop,added the prorietary Nvidia driver from the Additional Drivers
section of the settings menu.

bill@bill-HPE-410f:~$ inxi -b
System: Host: bill-HPE-410f Kernel: 4.10.0-21-generic x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3
Distro: Ubuntu 17.04
Machine: Device: desktop System: Compaq-Presario product: AU194AA-A2L CQ5123F
Mobo: MSI model: Boston v: 1.0 BIOS: Phoenix v: 5.24 date: 06/19/2009
CPU: Dual core Pentium E5200 (-MCP-) speed/max: 1200/2500 MHz
Graphics: Card: NVIDIA GF108 [GeForce GT 430]
Display Server: X.Org 1.19.3 drivers: nvidia (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa,nouveau)
Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz, 1920x1080@60.00hz
GLX Renderer: GeForce GT 430/PCIe/SSE2 GLX Version: 4.5.0 NVIDIA 375.66
Network: Card: Realtek RTL8101/2/6E PCI Express Fast/Gigabit Ethernet controller driver: r8169
Drives: HDD Total Size: 628.1GB (1.8% used)
Info: Processes: 165 Uptime: 1:21 Memory: 465.0/3948.3MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.8
bill@bill-HPE-410f:~$

It's working well on this older pc, going to leave it here Smile
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Colonel Panic


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PostPosted: Sun 28 May 2017, 17:38    Post subject: Re: Other Distros  

rufwoof wrote:
It was a joke (hence smiley). I do run Debian Jessie (frugally) already. Many saw the need to update init due to its serial deficiencies and of a number of potential candidates, such as Upstart, Epoch, Mudar and SystemD, the tendency has been to adopt SystemD as the upgrade path/development for its parallel processing/modular approach.

Devuan has around half a dozen key developers. Saw some claims that they'd support Devuan Jessie beyond the 2020 LTS date that Debian will support Jessie, however that claim seems to be fading as it would be too tall a order for the development team to continue with new developments and maintain older versions. Personally I think now Devuans at release 1.0 it will start to fade into yet another small backwater. No doubt there will be some die-hards, as there are some who prefer to continue to use terminals rather than gui's for desktop sessions.


I've had mixed experiences with Devuan itself, but I've been very impressed with Refracta which is (of course) derived from it, so I hope Devuan survives for that sake alone.

Apologies for not getting the joke btw; I didn't even notice the smiley the first time Smile

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PostPosted: Mon 29 May 2017, 02:30    Post subject: Re: Other Distros  

Colonel Panic wrote:
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Apologies for not getting the joke btw; I didn't even notice the smiley the first time Smile


Yeah same here didn't realise or see the smiley Embarassed

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PostPosted: Tue 30 May 2017, 22:31    Post subject:  

I recently switched from windows to KDE Neon and my experience so far has been mixed. Games don't perform all that well on Linux and I can't start a virtual machine without my computer freezing up; Otherwise, a lot of things work fine.
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PostPosted: Wed 31 May 2017, 03:58    Post subject:  

I'm currently testing the latest version of Parsix, a Debian-based distro which uses Gnome as its desktop manager so (inevitably) this is going to be a review of Gnome. Gnome 3 has been criticised for its lack of user-friendliness, but I'm glad to report that it does at least have a minimise button now.

It's still harder than it ought to be, however, to access and launch applications, especially those which aren't on the sidebar.

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PostPosted: Wed 31 May 2017, 13:32    Post subject:  

Colonel Panic wrote:
... Gnome....It's still harder than it ought to be, however, to access and launch applications, especially those which aren't on the sidebar.


+1 and "amen".

I really, really, reeaallly tried to give Gnome 3 a chance, running the latest Fedora for a long while, and I just cannot believe they (Gnome team) still haven't improved some of simple things that the Linux world has moved on to.

If it wasn't for the fact of sheer user-installed-base laziness and inertia, I believe Gnome would suffer a huge dropoff from people still using it as they took the time to experience & learn something else and would have their eyes opened.

Oh well, that's just my 2c
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PostPosted: Thu 01 Jun 2017, 00:02    Post subject:  

+ 2!

And to top it off, Ubuntu abandons Unity - and picks Gnome 3 as the new, default desktop. Shocked Just what are they smokin' over there? Mate, Cinnamon, KDE Plasma, Xfce would all be a far better choice than Gnome 3, IMO.

Gnome 3 - much like Unity - is terminally crippled by it's "need" to be new and different, for seemingly no other reason than to be new and different. And we all saw how that (Unity) ended up...

There's a reason the wheel is still round after all of these years! Smile

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PostPosted: Thu 01 Jun 2017, 07:41    Post subject:  

When I was employed by a large software company, I wrote a print driver that was particularly successful and much in demand.
There was little to add to it, and the only reason to want to update it was to support new hardware types and updated library routines.
The company forced me to make changes every 6 months so they could "re-sell" it to customers. Most of the changes were purely cosmetic and I struggled to not let them affect the functionlity or efficiency.
When I eventually refused to change it I was "made redundant".
The last time I looked (at the UI) it was bloated beyond recognition and full of inconsistencies.

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PostPosted: Thu 01 Jun 2017, 12:26    Post subject:  

Burn_IT wrote:
There was little to add to it, and the only reason to want to update it was to support new hardware types and updated library routines... The last time I looked (at the UI) it was bloated beyond recognition and full of inconsistencies.


http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/software-development-cancer.html

It's like some "bizarro-world", un-controllable monster, all of and by it's own. IMHO, the Linux ecosystem could use a grand dose of what Linus has accomplished with development/maintenance of the kernel - i.e.; insightful, intelligent leadership and central decision-making, combined with a collaborative community in support.

I can only wonder if that will (can?) ever happen, beyond the kernel.

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PostPosted: Thu 01 Jun 2017, 20:24    Post subject:  

belham2 wrote:
Colonel Panic wrote:
... Gnome....It's still harder than it ought to be, however, to access and launch applications, especially those which aren't on the sidebar.


+1 and "amen".

I really, really, reeaallly tried to give Gnome 3 a chance, running the latest Fedora for a long while, and I just cannot believe they (Gnome team) still haven't improved some of simple things that the Linux world has moved on to.

If it wasn't for the fact of sheer user-installed-base laziness and inertia, I believe Gnome would suffer a huge dropoff from people still using it as they took the time to experience & learn something else and would have their eyes opened.

Oh well, that's just my 2c


Well The GNOME Project (which is owned by the GNU Project) gets most of it's funding from Red Hat. That alone explains why GNOME 3 is so bad.

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PostPosted: Tue 06 Jun 2017, 17:00    Post subject:  

Maybe, but CentOS and its spinoffs like Stella are pretty good and stable (although a bit 'retro' and behind the curve in terms of the software versions they use) and they're also based on RedHat.

On a different note, I've recently installed the latest version of AntiX (32-bit). Despite being an alpha release (a3), it seems to work very well except that the conky display is a bit 'blocky' and hard to read.

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PostPosted: Tue 13 Jun 2017, 04:49    Post subject:  

Another good one; Slackel 7.0 (Openbox). I know I've had harsh things to say about previous editions of Slackel but this one installed properly the first time, works well and looks good too (I especially like the fully featured Conky display).
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PostPosted: Thu 15 Jun 2017, 13:53    Post subject:  

Haven't posted here for what seems like an age...

I decided to take a wee break from the Pups, and have tried out the 32-bit version of AntiX 16.1. Colonel Panic's remarks about Conky notwithstanding, I've removed it.....and gone for GKrellM instead, as I much prefer it.

It's an intriguing mix of Puppy and Debian. It uses ROX by default, although you can chop & change between ROX and SpaceFM, along with JWM/IceWM/FluxBox for the window manger. I've settled for ROX and IceWM.





I have to confess, I rather like it....


Mike. Wink

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Jun 2017, 15:42    Post subject:  

Good for you Mike, AntiX is one of my favourite distros. Just to be clear though; I didn't have a problem with the Conky display in AntiX 16. The one I had a problem with was the latest one (17 alpha 3). Perhaps I should have been clearer.

[EDIT: AntiX 16.2 is out now. I assume the Conky display in that one is OK.]

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PostPosted: Fri 16 Jun 2017, 09:37    Post subject:  

....doggone it, Colonel & Mike Wink

I've been a past user of Anti-X iterations, even posted about it (& MX-series development) here in this thread a few years ago under my first incarnation (Belham). Somehow I drifted away from Anti-X, guess I can blame James & Fatdog64 for that, haha, as FD has come to rule our home's old laptops.

But reading your two posts about Anti-X has got me curious again, so going to create a partition and install the latest on my puppy HD. Wish I could also "frugal" install Anti-X alongside all these frugal-installed pups & pup derivatives, not sure if that is possible with Anti-X (I've got Debian-Live and the latest Porteus frugal-installed, both work good, except Porteus has become one fat-mama in its new incarnation). If anyone knows that is possible to "frugally-install' Anti-X, would be interested to know.


P.S. Mike, hope your health has been doing good as possible. All I can say, this getting old is for the birds...and somebody please slow the clock down as 24 hrs seems to pass in an hour or so anymore Sad
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