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oui

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PostPosted: Tue 02 Oct 2018, 17:35    Post subject:  

older Lubuntu did offer the version "Lubuntu minimal" with xombrero from a (private) depository managed by a developer of Lubuntu.

is that not actual any more?

from Lubuntu minimal (or Ubuntu installed console only, unmark all options in taksel excepted security server) you can reduce the size of Ubuntu dramatically and extend the installation exactly as you want but you have to know, it is a matter of method and training, where are global packages (the first one is probably Xorg) where you can shrink it!
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PostPosted: Fri 05 Oct 2018, 16:09    Post subject:  

For anyone else who got the irritating "waiting for /dev to be fully populated ..." message when trying to boot MX or another Debian-based distro; I've discovered a fix for it.

All you have to do is press "e" at the grub bootup screen and find the line ending "quiet", and then type "nomodeset" (no quotation marks) after it. That allows the distro's boot up to proceed as normal.

[EDIT: this fix has worked as well as I dared hope: I've just installed Neptune, one of my favourite distros but one which wasn't booting on my machine before, and am posting from it now. Google really is your friend (at least sometimes).]

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PostPosted: Sat 13 Oct 2018, 15:04    Post subject:  

I managed to install LXLE 14.04 this week, which is good because I've had a lot of problems with installing LXLE in the past.

What is even better is that upgrading the distro with apt-get takes it up to 14.04.5, the final point release of Ubuntu 14.04 and which includes the Linux kernel and graphics stacks from Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. The upshot is that I'm using 2018 software once again, such as Firefox 62.0.3, LibreOffice 6.1.2.1 and Seamonkey 2.49.4, which I've been unable to do with any other Ubuntu-derived distro.

I'd still recommend that people wanting to try LXLE use the latest, 16.04-derived version, but it's good to know that the older version still works too. The only downside so far is that I don't much like the stock wallpaper (a rather garish painting of one of San Francisco's streets), and think the stock Debian wallpaper suits it far better.

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PostPosted: Sun 21 Oct 2018, 05:02    Post subject:  

I've been playing around with a standard (no persistence) liveUSB install of KDE Neon's 64 bit "user edition", from here;

https://files.kde.org/neon/images/neon-useredition/current/

https://neon.kde.org/index

It's essentially the latest stable KDE Plasma desktop (along with all of it's KDE-associated applications, like text editor, email client, picture viewer, etc) on top of Ubuntu's latest LTS release (18.04 Bionic Beaver in this case). Actually it's a quite stripped-down distro OOTB, with few additional apps included (Firefox is about it, really). No biggie, as it defaults to accessing the huge Ubuntu BB repos.

I know many think of KDE/Plasma as big, bloated and slow (as it has historically appeared to be at times), but these guys have been very hard at work over the past few years, forging ahead with version 5 of the KDE desktop - and that hard work's really beginning to show. Although it's immensely "tweakable" (almost TOO tweakable) with a very full range of included desktop and panel widgets, the reality is you can functionally make it about anything you might want it to be. And that functionality/extensibility makes it extremely user-friendly as a home desktop, once set up as such.

And the most surprising thing of all that I've noticed... it's incredibly fast/responsive, and boots to a very reasonable ~400mb RAM initially. And that's with many of the included (large!!) range of desktop effects and compositing turned "on" (i.e. - fantastic level of code optimizing). It's quite stunning, both visually and especially in terms of functional useability - once you are able to wrap your head around things, getting used to accessing the tweaks and actually making use of the feature set Plasma offers. Pretty danged amazing, really - and fun to just sit down and use. Cool

There are some bugs/downsides that I've noticed, though;

1) The Discover package manager - although actively being developed and much improved over the previous stable version - still closes/crashes occasionally.

2) There's an almost "deal-breaker", long-standing bug with the system tray, where if you tweak it to hide/show certain tray icons, it from then on refuses to popup the associated menus when the mouse hovers over the visible tray icons (network, clipboard, volume, etc.). I think one can re-install the panel applets outside of the system tray (and remove the "broken" ones from within), but then the cool notification features of Plasma are lost for those particular applications.

3) I vehemently abhor flat, pale, non-gradient, non-bordered in-window themes... and KDE Plasma's QT themes, so far, are all about that type of visual theming (much like GTK3/Gnome themes). They are functionally/visually far inferior - and give me a headache/eye ache after a while. They might be a nod to current style trends (i.e. - Windows 10) - but I believe the greater reason is that the move to QT (and GTK3, for that matter) has brought with it a requirement to completely overhaul (or just abandon) all of the beautiful GTK2 themes of years past... and nobody really wants to put forward the effort required to write (official) themes with such visual detail, in these new and more complex, more difficult theme languages (QT & GTK3). Bummer! Sad

4) And if you want to manually modify existing themes, it seems an order of magnitude more confusing and difficult on KDE/Plasma - no single theme folder with it's associated config file(s) and elements... instead, numerous theme directories spread out individually throughout other system (KDE) directories - all somehow pointing/interacting with each other in a confusing, boggling way - as they draw the desktop visuals. Or maybe I've just not spent the time yet to get my head around it all (likely...).

But some of the available (in-repo) themes are OK/somewhat better, and there's also included tools within Plasma that allow tweaking colors and other visual elements to somewhat ameliorate those visual "shortcomings".

Sorry for the long rant - but I think KDE Plasma is overall fantastic, a potentially great home desktop solution for Linux (as long as devs don't get carried away in "feature creep", and instead focus on squashing bugs and visual polish). And they've recently received a couple of large financial donations, which helps assure further development and improvements in the future.

All considered, Neon is pretty darn great, and I hope to find room on one of my laptop hand-me-downs for a full install. Cool

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PostPosted: Sun 21 Oct 2018, 13:57    Post subject:  

Colonel Panic wrote:
I'd still recommend that people wanting to try LXLE use the latest, 16.04-derived version, but it's good to know that the older version still works too....

I've been running LXLE for several years now on my ancient P4 Dell desktop. For the past year I've gotten good service out of LXLE 16.04 and plan to run that until Xenial goes EOL in April 2021, if the hardware doesn't fail first. Unfortunately it appears that LXLE 16.04 is likely to be the end of the line for LXLE. It's based of course on Lubuntu and LXLE's creator does not like that Lubuntu has shifted from LXDE to LXQt; he's already indicated that he has no plans for a version of LXLE based on Lubuntu 18.04.
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PostPosted: Tue 23 Oct 2018, 03:39    Post subject:  

6502coder wrote:
Colonel Panic wrote:
I'd still recommend that people wanting to try LXLE use the latest, 16.04-derived version, but it's good to know that the older version still works too....

I've been running LXLE for several years now on my ancient P4 Dell desktop. For the past year I've gotten good service out of LXLE 16.04 and plan to run that until Xenial goes EOL in April 2021, if the hardware doesn't fail first. Unfortunately it appears that LXLE 16.04 is likely to be the end of the line for LXLE. It's based of course on Lubuntu and LXLE's creator does not like that Lubuntu has shifted from LXDE to LXQt; he's already indicated that he has no plans for a version of LXLE based on Lubuntu 18.04.


Thanks for the info, that’s interesting. I prefer LXDE to LXQt myself and usually install it when I’ve just installed a new Debian-based distro. What I don’t understand about LXQt is why, if it’s supposed to be a combination of LXDE and Razor-qt, they’ve ditched the clock which for me was one of Razor-qt's best features.

https://www.linux-apps.com/p/1132349/

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Oct 2018, 09:30    Post subject:  

6502coder wrote:
Unfortunately it appears that LXLE 16.04 is likely to be the end of the line for LXLE. It's based of course on Lubuntu and LXLE's creator does not like that Lubuntu has shifted from LXDE to LXQt; he's already indicated that he has no plans for a version of LXLE based on Lubuntu 18.04.


To someone in love with the old LXDE based Lubuntu, I'd really recommend to try the Russian distro RUNTU (it's version RUNTU 18.04.1 Lite). It's basically Lubuntu with LXDE, assembled with debootstrap. For all the stuff provided - FF, Gimp, Libreoffice, codecs, VLC it it fits on just 600 MB iso, is very clean, very snappy and minimal. Somehow it reminds me to Whattos. There is also XFCE version 18.04. English/Russian are both supported. The distro is around for years and is listed on Distrowatch. DD:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/runtu/files/runtu%2018.04/

P.s. on some older pcs, when starting liveusb, if it gets black screen / complains about c32 something, just type 'live', and it will boot.
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PostPosted: Wed 31 Oct 2018, 13:20    Post subject: Other Distros  

I updated the Manjaro install on my Macmini and installed the newest kernel:

System: Host: bill-pc Kernel: 4.19.0-3-MANJARO x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.4 Distro: Manjaro Linux
Machine: Type: Laptop System: Apple product: Macmini6,1 v: 1.0 serial: <root required>
Mobo: Apple model: Mac-031AEE4D24BFF0B1 v: Macmini6,1 serial: <root required> UEFI: Apple
v: MM61.88Z.0106.B03.1211161202 date: 11/16/2012
CPU: Dual Core: Intel Core i5-3210M type: MT MCP speed: 1917 MHz min/max: 1200/3100 MHz
Graphics: Device-1: Intel 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics driver: i915 v: kernel
Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 driver: intel unloaded: modesetting resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz
OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ivybridge Mobile v: 4.2 Mesa 18.2.3
Network: Device-1: Broadcom Limited NetXtreme BCM57766 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe driver: tg3
Device-2: Broadcom Limited BCM4331 802.11a/b/g/n driver: bcma-pci-bridge
Drives: Local Storage: total: 465.76 GiB used: 11.51 GiB (2.5%)
Weather: Temperature: 10 C (50 F) Conditions: light showers rain mist
Current Time: Wed 31 Oct 2018 01:01:40 PM EDT (America/Rainy_River)
Info: Processes: 192 Uptime: 33m Memory: 15.57 GiB used: 853.3 MiB (5.4%) Shell: bash inxi: 3.0.27

It's working well.
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PostPosted: Thu 01 Nov 2018, 00:13    Post subject: Other Distros  

Also have Manjaro installed to hard drive of Acer desktop (uses hdmi2,macmini uses hdmi1 of TV),
Slacko-64 rc3 & Bionicpup64 7.9.6 beta run from flash drives on Acer desktop.

System: Host: bill-pc Kernel: 4.19.0-3-MANJARO x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: N/A Distro: Manjaro Linux
Machine: Type: Desktop System: ACER product: Aspire M5620 v: R01-A4 serial: <root required>
Mobo: ACER model: G33T-AM v: 1.0 serial: <root required> BIOS: American Megatrends v: R01-A4 date: 12/19/2007
CPU: Quad Core: Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 type: MCP speed: 1628 MHz min/max: 1603/2403 MHz
Graphics: Device-1: NVIDIA GF108 [GeForce GT 430] driver: nvidia v: 340.107
Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 driver: nvidia resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz
OpenGL: renderer: GeForce GT 430/PCIe/SSE2 v: 4.4.0 NVIDIA 340.107
Network: Device-1: Intel 82566DC-2 Gigabit Network driver: e1000e
Drives: Local Storage: total: 553.14 GiB used: 9.19 GiB (1.7%)
Weather: Temperature: 8 C (46 F) Conditions: Mostly Cloudy
Current Time: Wed 31 Oct 2018 11:24:17 PM EDT (America/Rainy_River)
Info: Processes: 195 Uptime: 3m Memory: 7.79 GiB used: 538.5 MiB (6.8%) Shell: bash inxi: 3.0.27

Works well.
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PostPosted: Thu 01 Nov 2018, 15:45    Post subject:  

OpenBSD 6.4 (-current), set to boot direct to user/X/chromium.

For 6.4 I've dropped using dialog (that needed to be added in on top of base), to now just use tput for my console menu (first clickable thumbnail below).

Base OpenBSD + mc + chromium meets most of my desktop needs.

Console :


Chromium is in effect my desktop (+ mc for file manager and text editor).

X :


So without dialog also being installed, even more minimalist. Yet functional enough for my needs, and very secure.

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PostPosted: Wed 07 Nov 2018, 03:47    Post subject:  

There's a good guide here about how to set up OpenBSD 6.4 on a laptop;

https://www.c0ffee.net/blog/openbsd-on-a-laptop/

Must admit I'm not convinced yet but I may give it a go if I've got the time (I found OpenBSD slow the last time I tried it). One problem for me is that, if PC-BSD (which later became True OS) is any guide, the BSDs don't like sharing a hard drive with Linux so you generally have to give your entire hard drive over to them when you install one.

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PostPosted: Thu 08 Nov 2018, 16:40    Post subject:  

There's a new release of Pardus out now (17.4), based on Debian but using XFce as its window manager and which was developed with the support of the Turkish government for use in some of its agencies.

I've been trying it today and so far it looks competent on the whole and is working well. It has a rather primitive installer though; even in graphic mode it looks like a text installer is in operation and you have to know in advance which partition you want to install Pardus into as the installer won't launch GParted for you. Also, a couple of times when I was using apt-get to install a package the installation stalled and I had to stop and then restart it.

These are both fairly minor niggles though for what is, as I said before, clearly a pretty competent distro.

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