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belham2

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PostPosted: Tue 31 Dec 2019, 11:55    Post subject:  

rockedge wrote:
Apple operating systems are hacked and modified Linux.

Apple and "security" is like saying Elon Musk is alone behind StarLink or the NSA doesn't know your name.

How many servers run OSx or OSi.... in business or the Internet?


LOL, Rockedge. Glad to see you haven't changed.

But, uh, I thought pedalling alternative realities was the purview of someone, iirc, you weren't too fond a few years ago (and yet he has kept going at it up till this very day)?

One of those words in your post I now firsthand (hint: it's not Apple), and for decades have known it firsthand, and I can tell you you don't have one clue what you're talking about (when it comes specifically to this). Just getting into a simple goddam# handheld device has made us run out of both patience and coffee more than once. Enough coffee to power several mid-sized cities, mind you.

When comparing ecosystems, it's the one ecosystem (Apple devices and their IOS---not their riddled with holes desktop OS and OS/and servers)..but its the one singular ecosystem IOS and devices where we struggle against every single day. This is not true for Softie and/or any Linux system/server and/or anything other encountered, as they are like going through butter---especially any/all Linux systems (i.e. Linux servers are ridiculously easy to penetrate, has been for decades now).

Statistics do not mean a single thing in this conversation. This statement: "How many servers run OSx or OSi.... in business or the Internet?" both just proved and slammed shut the case.



BTW, I like your nice new Puppy webpage Wink , especially nice since John here wouldn't get off his hands. For too long now.
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Mike Walsh


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PostPosted: Tue 31 Dec 2019, 13:15    Post subject:  

@ belham2:-

I guess I must be unusual amongst the general population of the wider 'tech' community.

My dislike of Apple devices dates all the way back to manhandling an incredibly balky Apple Lisa around in the mid-80s. The damn thing didn't seem to want to follow any of the accepted practices of the day, and appeared to have a mind of its own when requested to do anything you specifically wanted it to do.....

I know it's not representative of the way Apple's modern-day ecosystem operates, or how their hardware works. But I've always been a firm believer in first impressions counting for something.....and that was not a good 'first impression'.

I've watched, with some amusement, the way my own younger brother has been totally subsumed by the Apple marketing hype. Despite being in a well-paying job, he's the perfect consumer; the instant the latest Apple gadget hits the shelves, he's just got to have it, ASAP. And he doesn't, apparently, seem to care what it will cost him; he's more determined to satisfy his 'tech-lust' than he is to pay his mortgage or the essential household bills.....

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Having never been in that position, financially, I've never missed it or, indeed, wanted to be in that position. I suppose I'm a bit of an 'anachronism', if you like; running old hardware, and using Linux suits me down to the ground, because I get way more personal satisfaction out of getting something to work due to my own efforts than I ever would from simply purchasing something that's guaranteed to do the job without any fuss....

Strange, huh?

On top of which, I've always been fascinated by 'older' technology; the tech of my youth or even, indeed, of yesteryear. Modern technology holds no allure for me at all, for which I'm actually grateful. If it did, I could have easily bankrupted myself a dozen times over; I can almost guarantee that modern stuff will hold no interest for me until it reaches the stage where to most people it's way past the stage of being obsolete, and is fit only for the scrap-heap. Then (and only then) do I become interested in it!

(You have somebody here who didn't buy his first CD player until such devices had been on the market for over 20 years, and were rapidly becoming obsolete in favour of solid state MP3 players.....and it was at least another 10 years before I invested in one of those.)

Mind you, I have come partially up-to-date this year. I've invested in an Amazon FireStick.....for the simple reason it's getting to the stage where's it's less of a strain for these old eyes to watch things on a nice large TV screen than it is to continue to watch NetFlix, etc, on a 15" monitor. And I can sit in greater comfort whilst doing so.....

It's a good job we're all different. Makes life more varied & interesting; if we were all chasing after the same girl, or fella, or chasing after the same job/car/house/**insert whatever**, life would soon become very, very boring indeed.....


'Dinosaur' Mike.

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PostPosted: Wed 01 Jan 2020, 02:35    Post subject:  

belham2:

I have always thought and practice that any 'decent' mini laptop is the way of the future (thus my 2009 EEE Atom). Apple has done quite a job here at a resonable price. If it'll go 10 years like mine, its worth it. but then again its the battery. A removeable one is a clincher, otherwise, sans degradation programming, 5-6 years?

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Colonel Panic


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PostPosted: Mon 06 Jan 2020, 17:41    Post subject:  

Hi Mike,

I pretty much agree with everything you said there (except that it took me 10 years after CD players first came out instead of 20 to get one!).

I was in a town recently that I haven't visited for some time and, coming across a computer shop, called in and asked how much their machines started at. They didn't have any reconditioned ones and I was quoted £450 as a starting price for a new one (8 GB of RAM minimum). By contrast, the machine I'm using to write and post this message with cost me £20 in May last year (spec details in my sig) and the guy in the computer shop was almost embarrassed to sell it to me because it was so old (2006). It was only meant as a stopgap computer to last the summer whilst I looked for a newer one, but I'm still using it and apart from occasional video freeze-ups where I have to shut it down and reboot it, it's giving me very good service.

I still don't have a smart 'phone, though I do carry a basic mobile (a TTFone Star) for emergencies. I just don't see the need.

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Billtoo


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Location: Ontario Canada

PostPosted: Thu 09 Jan 2020, 22:29    Post subject: Other Distros  

I installed Manjaro to the hard drive of my Acer desktop a few months
ago:

Computer
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU 540 @ 3.07GHz
Memory 6015MB (730MB used)
Machine Type Desktop
Operating System Manjaro Linux

Display
Resolution 3840x1080 pixels
OpenGL Renderer Mesa DRI Intel(R) Ironlake Desktop
Session Display Server The X.Org Foundation 1.20.6

Version
Kernel Linux 5.4.6-2-MANJARO (x86_64)
Version #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Dec 24 15:55:20 UTC 2019
C Library GNU C Library / (GNU libc) 2.30

It's been working well, I added a 2nd monitor tonight and used arandr
to configure the screens.

Edit:
I run easy2 on this pc from an sdhc card and I installed arandr with
petget and put the monitors.sh file in the startup directory, works well.

Edit:
There was a big update today Jan 16th over 800mb:

Version
Kernel Linux 5.4.12-1-MANJARO (x86_64)
Version #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Jan 15 08:05:08 UTC 2020
C Library GNU C Library / (GNU libc) 2.30
Distribution Manjaro Linux
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ndujoe1

Joined: 04 Dec 2005
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PostPosted: Fri 10 Jan 2020, 10:41    Post subject:  

Long ago when I first began using Puppylinux I tried out other distros and have in recent times, but I always end back in calm, sane LInux waters Puppylinux :)
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Lobster
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Posts: 15588
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PostPosted: Sat 11 Jan 2020, 04:14    Post subject:  

ndujoe1 wrote:
... but I always end back in calm, sane LInux waters Puppylinux Smile

Tee Hee. Very Happy

I resent the implication that us crazies, heretics and uncalm can not use Linux Puppy, Puppi (Linux on Raspberries) and even an Ipad.

Like @belham2 I highly recommend the Ipaid over the Andydroid clone, despite its closed Jobber the Apple Stevie Hut and extortionate over hyping/pricing/fan boy cultism.

Recently (newish laptop) I was given a 'free' Widows 10S non-operating system. I say non operating because unless you bought, upgraded or used their software what happened?
Use Edge (browser spyware). Yuk. Do you get options, yes pay us money (so easy to pay with a credit card of your choice) - that is an Apple trick.

Now the last OS from Microtheft that I used AND liked was XP. I took a lot of Puppy fanboy criticism for still using this OS, until I finally went cold penguin/turkey and went totally Puppy.

What happened to Windows 10S? Oh I played with it. I tinkered and explored and formatted it out of existence ...
ndujoe1 wrote:
... back in calm, sane LInux waters Puppylinux Smile


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jafadmin

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PostPosted: Sat 11 Jan 2020, 10:50    Post subject:  

Lobster wrote:

Now the last OS from Microtheft that I used AND liked was XP.


Same here, but I was also quite fond of Se7en Cool
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Colonel Panic


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PostPosted: Wed 15 Jan 2020, 20:41    Post subject:  

There aren't many 32-bit distros still being developed but I've just installed one of them; a new distro called PsychOS, which is based on Devuan and advertised as being especially good for older computers (like mine). It's early days yet but it seems to be working well although it has a somewhat unsettling theme (very dark), and the distro's code name is "Insanity". Here it is;

https://psychoslinux.gitlab.io/index_modern.html

and screenshots;

https://psychoslinux.gitlab.io/screenshots/screenshots.html

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Fridge

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PostPosted: Wed 22 Jan 2020, 11:35    Post subject: Subject?
Subject description: What are you subjecting me to?
 

Wow, an old topic, but a good and perpetual one!

Besides various pups, old and newer, I've tried Q4OS and Peppermint Linux.

I'm especially happy with Peppermint, since it feels like an improved version of Linux Mint, and especially if you like darker themes. XFCE is a pleasing and light window manager. I'm keeping Peppermint 10 on one of the machines.

On my daily craptop, I have BionicPup64. Quite nice, that one!

I'm gonna make the leap to trying out EasyOS one of these days, once I have some time and an empty USB stick. Maybe give Fatdog another try as well?
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ndujoe1

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PostPosted: Wed 22 Jan 2020, 12:05    Post subject:  

Fridge you will find Easy OS a different experience. Barry K is alway thinking ahead of the curve. Interesting and useful ideas within it.
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Location: on the inter-planet train

PostPosted: Mon 27 Jan 2020, 02:53    Post subject:
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downloaded and tried 4m linux, not user friendly at all, won't go any further
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Colonel Panic


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PostPosted: Thu 30 Jan 2020, 17:09    Post subject:  

I've just installed the latest version of Slackel Openbox, 7.2. which is working well (and wouldn't boot on my old computer). The distro no longer has Midori as the default browser (maybe it wasn't stable enough?) and now has Firefox by default instead.
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PostPosted: Fri 07 Feb 2020, 06:23    Post subject:  

I'm currently using the latest snapshot, of the 15th January 2020, of MX-19 (patito feo), which is working well.

I'm kicking myself though because the first thing I see when I load Firefox is the MX homepage which mentions the forthcoming release of MX Fluxbox, which I would have preferred to have downloaded instead. C'est la vie ...

[Edit; I've just seen that mx-fluxbox can be installed as an overlay, so I don't need to download the whole MX-Fluxbox iso.]

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PostPosted: Sat 08 Feb 2020, 05:48    Post subject:  

Colonel Panic wrote:
I'm currently using the latest snapshot, of the 15th January 2020, of MX-19 (patito feo), which is working well.

I'm kicking myself though because the first thing I see when I load Firefox is the MX homepage which mentions the forthcoming release of MX Fluxbox, which I would have preferred to have downloaded instead. C'est la vie ...
[Edit; I've just seen that mx-fluxbox can be installed as an overlay, so I don't need to download the whole MX-Fluxbox iso.]


Great news, Colonel! I use MX on one of my main computers,..and will probably switch from Antix to MX on my older ones now. Antix is good, but it is only 32 bit. I have an old (but nice) previously Vista box with 6gb ram. Antix only sees 3gb of that. I trust MX 32bit is PAE. Fluxbox will it work fine.
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