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tikbalang · #46 Post by **tikbalang** » Sat 23 Jul 2011, 08:15

nooby · #47 Post by **nooby** » Sat 23 Jul 2011, 19:45

Austrumi, I have heard about it and them mention it on DW too in the comments.

Can I do a frugal install of it on a NTFS dualbooted computer?
What menu.lst code should I use? Can it be root?
Does it use a keyboard like åäö so I can write in Swedish?

tikbalang · #48 Post by **tikbalang** » Sun 24 Jul 2011, 05:38

frugal install - yes, by replacing "dolivecd" with "dousb" in the boot parameters.

frugal on NTFS - i'm not sure, i only tested on FAT32

lang/keyb - limited, see message.msg "lang_XX = where XX - locale (el, en, es, fr, hu, it, lv, ltg, pt_br, ru, uk)

the forum is surprisingly dead for this promising distro. you have to FTP into the server to get the latest version.

d4p · #49 Post by **d4p** » Tue 26 Jul 2011, 04:54

Not possible to frugal install on NTFS.
Until Austrumi v2.34 work fine.
v2.40 is not working.

Unofficial Austrumi Linux for English users forum
http://www.punbb-hosting.com/forums/austrumi/index.php

sickgut · #50 Post by **sickgut** » Tue 16 Aug 2011, 16:04

puppy lacks alot of commandline stuff and doesnt have framebuffer console outside of X this is why i started using debian, but the debian full distro with xfce or kde or gnome and all the apps is so rediculously broken its not funny so for a whi9le the debian standard iso was my favourite, just apt get everything you need and your ok

then i tried to bring apt-get package management to puppy 5, but its a fail because puppy has such a custom kernel and this makes puppy ultimately not 100% compatible with debian or ubuntu and dpup/ lupu is no exception.

if you want good packagemanagement and not have to rely on a puppy dev to compile your favourite app then you have to run a standard kernel

ive tried this with pussy linux
www.thepussycatforest.info
ive started with a standard debian base then stripped it to puppylike size then installed the same jwm rox xorg seamonkey desktop stuff and it uses same kinda ram and is same speed and has 100% debian apt get compatibility. i havent gotten pussy upto the puppy standard yet but it works as a proof of concept that a puppylike distro can have good package management and also the framebuffer console and other techy things without sacrificing speed or ram use

but seriously if puppy ran a normal linux kernel without lotsa things removed it wouldnt be any slower and would be more compatible. take puppeee and fluppy for example, fluppy contains all the possible drivers you can have while puppee contains just eeepc stuff in the kernel, but run them side by side and there is no apreciable difference in speed or ram use.

i believe that removing stuff from the normal linux kernel to make a puppy one so its smaller is a bad idea and the gained speed and compatibility trade off isnt worth it. run a debian or some other major distros kernel and no one has to spend 24 hours a day making packages that already exist and you can just install anything you want with a few clicks, this lets devs spend time working on the os rather than compiling packages.

laika · #51 Post by **laika** » Wed 17 Aug 2011, 17:53

I've been using SliTaz 3.0 for months. Like the Puppies, it runs in a RAMdisk, and it's small; I consider Puppy - with the exception of puppymartin's BrowserLinux puplet - bloated with stuff that I'll never use. SliTaz is rock solid, looks decent, runs fast, and, IMHO, truly minimal. Nice community, too. I consider SliTaz a tiny Linux treasure.

Lately I've been using runtt21's MacPup525 on my desktop machine, which is very enjoyable. I also have BrowserLinux on a netbook that was given to me. I'm a big fan of BrowserLinux. I also am playing around with jeremiah's Puppeee on the netbook. Puppee is optimized to run on my particular netbook,

nooby · #52 Post by **nooby** » Wed 17 Aug 2011, 20:20

oops Laika her name is Jemimah not Jeremiah.

http://www.smokey01.com/jemimah/fluppy13 ... Feel free to make use of the Puppeee forum to discuss Fluppy. ..

Easy to mistake. I trusted her to be a guy too. Very few ladies care about programming on that level of low level coding.

laika · #53 Post by **laika** » Sat 20 Aug 2011, 14:08

nooby wrote:oops Laika her name is Jemimah not Jeremiah..

Ah! Thank you for the correction, nooby. I'm just coming from another eye surgery, so I'll blame my mistake on that.

Yes, I've actually been using Puppeee quite a bit lately. Been using DidiWiki to make a dream journal of sorts and playing with the Flite voice synthesizer, both of which are new to me. And when I take my Eee PC out into the world, it connects wirelessly with no problem. Puppeee is one of those that "just works."

nooby · #54 Post by **nooby** » Sat 20 Aug 2011, 14:20

As I remember when I failed to get any puppy to work on my Acer D250 with USB booting and still having the Wifi going then Puppeee with Jemimah care to set it up for Asus that also worked for Acer she was the one knowing how to do such thing. None of all the others had RFKILL and such that them most likely did not even know them had to include.

dagodemon42 · #55 Post by **dagodemon42** » Sat 20 Aug 2011, 15:36

I recently have tried Semplice linux. It is debian based, runs as a Live CD. It uses the openbox desktop. Great hardware detection. Its currently in Alpha2 stage.

nooby · #56 Post by **nooby** » Sat 20 Aug 2011, 15:47

dagodemon42 wrote:I recently have tried Semplice linux. It is debian based, runs as a Live CD. It uses the openbox desktop. Great hardware detection. Its currently in Alpha2 stage.

a link would have been nice

Sure I can try to goole. Do you know if it boot on NTFS or only on Ext2 or what was the name of the oops Fat32 the name is. My poor memory
I guess the Live CD lack ntfs-3g capacity. Debian usually does.

dagodemon42 · #57 Post by **dagodemon42** » Sat 20 Aug 2011, 19:42

Sorry nooby. Heres the link http://semplice-linux.sourceforge.net/. If you choose to install this be prepared. The installer is text based and a little confusing. The developers say that improvements will be made to the installer. The Live CD detects my external hard drive formatted as FAT32. I don't know about frugal installs, as the only ones I do are for puppy. Support for NTFS can usually be downloaded through Synaptic package manager if it isn't already present.

Colonel Panic · #58 Post by **Colonel Panic** » Sat 20 Aug 2011, 21:20

I'm trying out ConnochaetOS 9.0, a distro which is designed for old computers and based on Arch.

It has some good features but IMO it isn't as versatile as Puppy Turbo (which also runs on old computers). The repositories are more limited,.for one thing. Still, any distro which aims to cater for old computers deserves goodwill IMO.

nitehawk · #59 Post by **nitehawk** » Sun 21 Aug 2011, 00:28

Tried to get FreeBSD installed this weekend. No go. Pulling hair out.

Lobster · #60 Post by **Lobster** » Sun 21 Aug 2011, 09:26

Very interesting guys.

I have been using the tablet version of the Apple OS on the Ipad2
Beautiful - but I really want USB and Android, so gonna hang on for e-ink tablets methinks . . . maybe even a Ipad3 if I can get a good price for my grandmother on Ebay

Android been using a lot - I like it, on a smart phone and Eeepc . . .
but security - forget = just above zero.
The best thing is install and uninstall buttons for the app market
In the future I may try rooting Android
I hear Blackberry is better security wise?
Blackberry was used to disorganise the mal flashmobs of England's
recent alternative shopping events

Austrumi I used to be a fan of - somehow it went funny not so keen now.
Slitaz I hear good things about - seemed OK, fast, but not as complete as Puppy, last time I looked . . .
FreeBSD - slower than Linux and not as up to date. Maybe more solid once working? Never saw the point. BSD (modified) is used in the Apples.
Windows 7 - you get used to it and then it collapses. Re installation is a nightmare (my sisters experience)

One of the ideas I am intrigued with is reference hardware
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/XOPup

What has happened is PC hardware is very diverse
but if we said - buy this (hardware) it will run Puppy Tablet Edition perfectly . . . that would be great . . .

Keep having fun guys
being a penguin is now almost respectable . . .

nooby · #61 Post by **nooby** » Sun 21 Aug 2011, 10:23

nitehawk wrote:Tried to get FreeBSD installed this weekend. No go. Pulling hair out.

Not that I remember if I ever succeeded.

But what if one try BSD out in a wm ware or VBox to get a glimpse into what them are at?

borgbucolic · #62 Post by **borgbucolic** » Sun 21 Aug 2011, 16:05

I like trying lots of distributions. I have a huge hard drive that I've cut up into a bunch of little partitions. Currently I have about 6 or 7 operating systems installed. I have installed each of them with their own bootloader in the same partition as the distribution in question. I use GAG graphical bootloader as the first one the computer starts with and load the distro from there. It is very easy to modify GAG to include or remove a partition.

Currently, I have Ubuntu 10.04 is my primary distro until it runs out. I'm exploring what I will switch the family to after that. I also have SliTaz, Puppy, and TinyCore on sticks. I'm still exploring TC. However, Puppy is my main stick I use at work (unless IT gets XP working reasonably again).

Yet, I am an admitted distribution whore.

nitehawk · #63 Post by **nitehawk** » Sun 21 Aug 2011, 22:20

nooby wrote:
nitehawk wrote:Tried to get FreeBSD installed this weekend. No go. Pulling hair out.
Not that I remember if I ever succeeded.

But what if one try BSD out in a wm ware or VBox to get a glimpse into what them are at?

...wouldn't do much good. Couldn't even get to a decent desktop. I'll keep reading the "FreeBSD Handbook", though. I'll try again, when I can get the time,....and I'll either succeed,..or I'll just wait until PC-BSD 9 comes out. (It comes with several smaller desktop environments on the install DVD). And you will also be able to install either PC-BSD or FreeBSD off the DVD as well.
EDIT: Just got to a nice Gnome desktop in FreeBSD. But that's about it. Seems that you have to do mountains of CLI code to get the CD and DVDs to mount,...etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. Makes Slackware look like a walk in the park. Guess I'm just too spoiled to Puppy...(takes just minutes to get to a nice desktop and start computing.)

laika · #64 Post by **laika** » Tue 23 Aug 2011, 04:13

Lobster wrote:Slitaz I hear good things about - seemed OK, fast, but not as complete as Puppy, last time I looked . . .

SliTaz 3.0 is really nice... well, for my taste, it had almost exactly the things that I like and use, so I burnt the iso and used it almost completely stock for months. It creates a RAMdisk like Puppy, can be remastered, has good package management, et cetera. I love it.

I guess the pool of people working on it isn't as large as for the Puppies, and Pankso, whom I think started the project, had to get a more demanding job two or three months ago, so 4.0 has been delayed somewhat if my understanding of the situation is accurate. I'd love to see them be able to keep up the momentum.

Colonel Panic · #65 Post by **Colonel Panic** » Tue 23 Aug 2011, 08:04

nitehawk wrote:
nooby wrote:
nitehawk wrote:Tried to get FreeBSD installed this weekend. No go. Pulling hair out.
Not that I remember if I ever succeeded.

But what if one try BSD out in a wm ware or VBox to get a glimpse into what them are at?
...wouldn't do much good. Couldn't even get to a decent desktop. I'll keep reading the "FreeBSD Handbook", though. I'll try again, when I can get the time,....and I'll either succeed,..or I'll just wait until PC-BSD 9 comes out. (It comes with several smaller desktop environments on the install DVD). And you will also be able to install either PC-BSD or FreeBSD off the DVD as well.
EDIT: Just got to a nice Gnome desktop in FreeBSD. But that's about it. Seems that you have to do mountains of CLI code to get the CD and DVDs to mount,...etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. Makes Slackware look like a walk in the park. Guess I'm just too spoiled to Puppy...(takes just minutes to get to a nice desktop and start computing.)

You are brave! I've been tempted by FreeBSD in the past but have always been put off by the mountains of work involved.

There is a FreeBSD-based live disk though, called Frenzy. It might be worth a look if you like the BSDs.

I've recently been trying out a distro called Sabayon, which is based on Gentoo. The LXDE version I've got has a lot of light apps, including Midori for web browsing. Works pretty well (but not enough to make me switch from Puppy for live disk use).

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