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dennis-slacko531 · Joined: 18 Jan 2012 Posts: 75 Location: Oregon

As most may know, you're suppose to be able to download chunks of Debian. Well, I choose the 191MB size. Things went pretty well until the final option to add a few more niceties (like a GUI and pkg mgr). Well, no luck after several tries... So then I use Pburn & a CD for the 191MB base system.

I didn't let their "installer" use GRUB or LILO but quickly booted into a puppy and ran Grub4dos... In a couple minutes, I'm in char-mode Debian. I got what I ordered, except as I said, the GUI download failed badly (madness!). Final thought, I decided not to supply a root password when ask, because I thought I could easily use SUDO later with my standard user acct/pswd. Well, I tried 10 times to crack that bastard. I guess I just don't understand Super User Do very well.

It was going well and I looked forward to dnld'g the various "parts". No problems, carry on mates. Wink

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SUDO "Shock" is too much for me. This morning I did my first torrent dnld (thanks to Exprimo 5.X.14). The 1.09GB linuxmint-201204-xfce-dvd-32bit.iso installed fairly well, but no sound. The funny thing is, it's just NOT worth the bother. I decided awhile ago to stick with grub4dos, well this Deb/Xfce/Mint wants GRUB or nothing. So, okay I give Grub to the "pig" and it finally boots correctly, but I loose all my various puppies for the sake of a stinking grub stake?

I'm waiting on Jemimah's next Saluki to get the 4.10 Xfce, and I've learned my lesson -- sure it had the coolest screensaver I've ever woken-up to (fell asleep during install). It's just a good thing I had lots of installs on USB sticks because that's about all I could bootup to after getting whacked with several grub then grub4dos go-arounds. One more thing, their Firefox only went up to 11 whereas dpup's Exprimo jumped right on the 13 update -- so my little 4GB USB has all I need -- I don't know who's reading this because I'm editing it (do they call this necro-posting, weird, whatever).
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- - BIG UPDATE !!! - - - -> 2 1/2 Days Later (Thanks to shinobar's new grub4dos 1.7.9) and my trying a little harder, I just have to pop into grub2 (easy as pie, wow thanks Shinobar). Smile

Update (next day) Geez, the sound was simple. I also updated the kernel to dual. Just now burnt a CD with Brasero. You know, I've said it jokingly before, but Puppy made me the man I am today...Hey, this Mint train is pretty comfy, but I'll be getting off at the next Puppy Station soon for my real nourishment.
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amj · Joined: 28 Jan 2011 Posts: 21

This week I've finally gotten round to making a Debian 6 installation. One of the first new issues you stumble across is that root login is now disabled. Fortunately it's pretty easy to reverse that. Some kind person has posted the details of what to do.

The security concept built into Debian seems to date from the 1980's. In those days a computer user was someone sitting behind a terminal which in turn was connected to a mainframe. Debian security is perfect for office environments where 'root' and 'user' are different people sitting in different offices. But how often is Debian actually used in office environments?

When you run Debian on home a PC, the idea that 'root' and 'user' are living on different planets and need to be protected from one another really isn't helpful. I foolishly tried to use my Debian 6 system to do something practical. I needed to copy a file from one memory stick to another. Permission denied. 'user' tried to copy a file from a FAT16 formatted memory stick to a ext2 formatted memory stick and of course as we all realise, that's a fundamental breach of Debian security.

The fact that Debian (and many other distros) insist on imposing a totally inappropriate security regime on single user home PC environments is the reason why I have become a Puppy fan. I don't use Puppy because it's small, or because it runs in RAM, nor for the splendidly amateurish desktop. I use it because finally we have a distro that recoginses the simple truth that in a home PC environment, 'root' and 'user' is the same person sitting behind the same screen and that it is actually OK for the left hand to know what the right hand is doing.

Ray MK · Joined: 05 Feb 2008 Posts: 675 Location: UK

Hi amj

Brilliantly said - words of wisdom - from a user.

Glad you like Puppy - best regards - Ray

kooliepup · Posted: Fri 08 Jun 2012, 07:21 Post subject:

Bravo!

You are a more discreet person than me.
I couldn't have said it so politely.

Post more often.

starhawk · Posted: Fri 08 Jun 2012, 11:59 Post subject:

amj, that was brilliantly worded. Well done!

...now somebody needs to plaster that statement all over DistroWatch so that everybody can hear the wisdom Very Happy

nooby · Joined: 29 Jun 2008 Posts: 9389 Location: SwedenEurope

Enrique Corbellini · Joined: 20 May 2009 Posts: 86

I applied the grub-repair-CD as rokytnj suggested. It's the best help I received, thanks.
I also tried writing those $sudo lines, which sounds like chinese to me, but it worked and was interesting.
But I know people won't ever accept me giving them a system in which they have to do this things by themselves. So first, I'll continue installing puppy, and only installing ubuntu too when they understand linux is something believable.
In the meantime, I'll continue waiting for the day in which our ecological communities not only use solar and wind energy but also eco hardware with no needing of unnecesary complexity. I appreciated all your comments.

rokytnji · Joined: 20 Jan 2009 Posts: 745 Location: Pecos/ Texas

Pierre16 · Joined: 03 Sep 2009 Posts: 14

Colonel Panic,

I run Quelitu 12.04, which you downloaded a few days ago. It has an HUD, some ultralight utilities, 3 centers, and loads of installation options, among them an Enlightenment desktop (Quelitu Jazz).

The combination of HUD and Enlightenment desktop is great. The RAM usage is also good. See the speed comparison page at:
http://wavesofthefuture.net/computers/speed-comparison-fastest-lightweight-linux-distributions-os.shtml

There is a lot more... I assume you have already seen the Release Notes/Download page...

rokytnji · Joined: 20 Jan 2009 Posts: 745 Location: Pecos/ Texas

Being a team member for AntiX developer Anti. This is a old AntiX 8.5 core install I did in 2010 , but updated as a roling release. With my new kernel install. LXDE cold boot with nothing running takes up about 61MB of ram.

Below ram report at botom of readout is with LXDE, conky, LXterminal and inxi report running.

rjbrewer · Joined: 22 Jan 2008 Posts: 4353 Location: merriam, kansas

rokytnji · Joined: 20 Jan 2009 Posts: 745 Location: Pecos/ Texas

James C · Joined: 26 Mar 2009 Posts: 4742 Location: Kentucky

Porteus 1.2 XFCE rc2

RetroTechGuy · Joined: 15 Dec 2009 Posts: 2301 Location: USA

nooby · Joined: 29 Jun 2008 Posts: 9389 Location: SwedenEurope

Latest DistroWatch saw they had a Chinese version of Ubuntu
that had many codex and a different movie program?

Thought I could do a frugal install of the "Live Session User"
and it worked okay like this.

title deepin frugal iso boot noeject noprompt quiet splash --
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /deepin.iso
kernel /deepin/casper/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/deepin.seed boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/deepin.iso splash --
initrd /deepin/casper/initrd.lz

The name of the OS is Deepin and it has mostly English only a few Mandarin icons. All the rest in English. To get your keyboard do this in terminal.

setxkbmap se
or the combination for your country. France fr, Germany de, I don't know you know such things Smile