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rokytnji


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PostPosted: Sun 07 Apr 2013, 22:10    Post subject:  

64gig new ssd drive on my M&A companion Netbook. AntiX 13 beta 2 (base iso)
Pretty much like a atom based 9" netbook. wireless is internal usb instead of pci.
Best version yet.
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nooby

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PostPosted: Wed 10 Apr 2013, 06:31    Post subject:  

Testing the latest Fuduntu which works good
using IsoBooter that rcrsn51 have a thread about.

Edit I wrote using Fuduntu when I wrote this Smile
Now I edit when back in lupu again.

Very easy to prepare on a 2GB USB stick
even I could do it. I can see flash on Youtube
and local TV and it has VLC mediaplayer
and I can access the HD and play my music files
and I can edit my HTML files and save them
without needing to be root or to use su or any such.

What does not work is to save changes like keyboard setting
or date and time setting.

But it is a great way to get to know other distros.
Take at most a minute to change from one OS to another
on same USB formatting it using gparted and adding the iso
and the isobooter file and then it just works .

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PostPosted: Fri 12 Apr 2013, 09:25    Post subject:  

I want to test frugal install of latest
Slax 7.0.6 and Porteus 2.0
Here is the code I want to try out. different versions for grub4dos

title Slax 7.0.6 March 2013
kernel (hd0,0)/slax/boot/vmlinuz vga=773 load_ramdisk=1 prompt_ramdisk=0 rw printk.time=0 slax.flags=perch,xmode
initrd (hd0,0)/slax/boot/initrfs.img


title Porteus 2.0 or slax login=root root toor
root (hd0,0)
kernel /porteusboot/syslinux/vmlinuz from_dev=/dev/sda1 from_dir=/porteus login=root changes=/porteus/porteussave.dat max_loop=256 fsck kmap=se
initrd /porteusboot/syslinux/initrd.xz


I finally got the courage to test both of them and had success.
i made frugal install on NTFS formatted HD the default Ms Vista desktop.

Slax had Firefox 19.0.02 IIRC
but Porteus had FF 17.x and both told me they where updated.
so that is somethign me had problem with on Puppy Slacko too
but managed to get 20.0 to work on Puppy Lupu 528-005
Both Slax and Porteus had Adobe Flash built in as I remember

Then feeling victorious I also tested Knoppix 7.0
but unfortunate it did not have Adobe Flash built in.

All three can save in a kind of save file on the HD.
So them do frugal and persistence.

Which others are there that can do frugal on NTFS?
I am starting to forget. I know Gparted do due to being slax?
but it has old firefox and not much of multimedia it is
only a rescue OS so what to expect.

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PostPosted: Sat 13 Apr 2013, 01:36    Post subject:  

I've also been trying out Porteus 2.0 (32 bit version) on my old Pentium-M 1.6GHz 1GByte laptop. I particularly like the Razor Qt desktop version, which seems to run fine on this old machine.

I like Porteus, because it has a facility that reminds me of tinycore: you can simply add and remove installed applications by simply moving the respective application module in or out of their storage folder. The only problem I'm having with it is that I can't get cpufreq scaling to work properly; I like to run my old laptop cool, and Puppy Slacko lets me do that correctly.

It would certainly be very easy to produce a very small (or large and full) Porteus distribution via mix and match. The apps supplied by default in the Razor Qt desktop version are a nice choice though (including firefox, gimp and easypaint, avidemux (video editor), perl and gcc development environment). I also note that it includes a thunor version of gtkdialog (and Pburn) so probably very easy to get most Puppy gtkdialog apps running on it (murga forum puppy developer big_bass adopting Porteus may be behind that...).

All in all, I find Porteus a lovely, quite sophisticated small Linux distribution with Slackware compatibility (so tons of available apps). The main concern I have, however, is how long a distribution ends up being supported, which includes how many developers and testers are active. Only time will tell. Puppy has been around a long time; that support (including this forum) is one of its greatest strengths. I hope Porteus becomes as popular as Puppy for that same reason, and hopefully end up with a nice active forum too.

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PostPosted: Sat 13 Apr 2013, 04:51    Post subject: On this class of machine (Pent-M 1600MHz) Slacko 5.3.3 wins  

Much though I like the lovely polish of Razor QT desktop Porteus 2, it remains the case, however, that on this Pentium mobile 1.6 GHz laptop machine at least, Slacko 5.3.3 runs in the available resources much better. Youtube videos play fullscreen faultlessly in Slacko 5.3.3 on this machine whereas Porteus stutters badly using 100% CPU when displaying less than half a fullscreen video... But as far as I remember, in earlier tests, Slacko 5.5 stutters on this old Pent-M when playing videos too... Good old Slacko 5.3.3 stays, but I will be using Porteus elsewhere because I love the ease by which it can be customised loading and unloading packages (Porteus "modules").
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PostPosted: Sat 13 Apr 2013, 14:01    Post subject:  

My current distro that I really like is the latest Crunchbang 11. I keep bouncing between Puppy 5.2.8 and Crunchbang. Love it
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PostPosted: Sat 13 Apr 2013, 15:19    Post subject:  

rmcellig wrote:
My current distro that I really like is the latest Crunchbang 11. I keep bouncing between Puppy 5.2.8 and Crunchbang. Love it


I had it on a USB booted using rcrsn51 isobooter method
and that worked well. Does it have Adobe Flash in the browser
already installed? I don't remember and all my 2GB and 4GB USB
are already filled with Solyd linux, Mint LXDE Funduntu Zorin
so not which of those I should change for Crunchband instead.

What is it that you like about #! or what the symbol is.

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PostPosted: Sat 13 Apr 2013, 15:45    Post subject:  

I like the speed and leanness of it. It has a great interface which incluses one of my favorite if not my favorite window manager/DE's, Openbox. Installing software is very easy by using the command line with apt-get or Synaptic Package Manager.

I love using fast and simple distros like Puppy and #! instead of using some of the more bloated distros out there. The bottom line for me is, what do I need to do, and can Puppy and #! do it for me with the least amount of bloat. The answer is yes. Overall though, Puppy always wins the race for me. Excellent distro!!
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PostPosted: Sun 14 Apr 2013, 01:17    Post subject:  

Thanks I skipped TinyCore on an old 1GB and installed
a frugal live version of #! on it just to check up on how it behaved
and it seems to works as good as any of the others.

is it not odd that the isoboot code allow several OS to not need
sudo for to edit files on the HD if one install it on USB flash?

Usualy any linux forbid even access to the NTFS HD
and some actually do that from isobooter too.

So some odd "quirk" makes them behave different with this kind of install.
the only bad thing is that they don't remember changes.

In that way Slax Porteus is good them allow you to download
and add the program withot having a save file but they allow
save file too just in case you need one?

Debian does not seem to care about such?
Sickgut is the exception him want us to have persistence on frugal install

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PostPosted: Sun 14 Apr 2013, 12:16    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:
is it not odd that the isoboot code allow several OS to not need sudo for to edit files on the HD if one install it on USB flash?

Here is a possible explanation. ISObooter simulates running off a Live CD. So you are logged in as the "root" user that has the necessary privileges to perform the install procedure.

But once you do an install, you become a regular user. So you need sudo. Or you may be completely restricted from some operations.
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PostPosted: Sun 14 Apr 2013, 12:53    Post subject:  

That is a good explanation.

May I ask a crazy question.
Could one do a kind of semi-persistence
in that one download the program and
manually move the install over to the mnt/home
and let a script do an automatic reinstall while booting
so when it is finally booted then it has the wanted programs added?

As it is now I need to first boot up the iso and then
install the wanted program and then at shut down all get lost.
If one could make a copy of that install that would give
script based or manual semi-persistence. Make one independent
on dowloading the program for the program database which can be slow.

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PostPosted: Mon 15 Apr 2013, 15:06    Post subject:  

A success and a failure to report this time.

I gave up on Calculate Linux 13 (XFCE) after nearly an hour spent compiling Firefox from source, as the distro required, and it still wasn't finished. I know some people think that's par the course with Gentoo (on which Calculate is based), but I really can't see the point on modern machines (or even six year old ones) which load applications in seconds anyway.

I'm much happier with the latest version of Manjaro (0.8.5), though with only 2 GB of RAM I'd probably be better off still if I'd downloaded the 32-bit version instead of the 64-bit one. With Fluxbox installed, I'm happily typing this and listening to *classical music on Youtube and no problems at all.

*Martha Argerich playing Chopin's 1st piano concerto, if anyone's interested.

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PostPosted: Mon 15 Apr 2013, 22:35    Post subject: Fuduntu Team meeting held on April 14, 2013
Subject description: End of Fuduntu as was known
 

I always had respect for fewt and his skill set. Makes me sad. Sad

http://www.fuduntu.org/blog/2013/04/15/fuduntu-team-meeting-held-on-april-14-2013/#respond

Quote:
The team discussed several options and, ultimately, voted to end-of-life Fuduntu Linux. This decision was not made lightly but, ultimately, it is was the best option. In its current state, Fuduntu would be broken when we tried to move forward.

Beginning today, no new features will be implemented. The only exception are those features which are already being worked on. We will continue to provide bug and security fixes until the last day of support, however. 2013.3 will be the last release and September 30 will be the last official day of Fuduntu Linux.

Following that decision, however, most of the team members then discussed the idea of creating a “new” Fuduntu. Andrew Wyatt, however will not be a part of the new distro in an official capacity. After the decision to EOL, Andrew, the founder and lead developer of Fuduntu, announced his plans to retire after the final Fuduntu release. Andrew will be missed and his hard work and dedication is appreciated by all. While he will not be serving in an official capacity, Andrew will be serving as an advisor to the leadership and team of the new distro.


I downloaded and ran 2013.2 just a week ago.

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/fuduntu-98/fuduntu-2013-2-x86_64-livedvd-iso-md5sum-4175457546/#post4928542
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PostPosted: Tue 16 Apr 2013, 03:22    Post subject:  

Yes that is the Funduntu I have isobooter installed on a 2GB USB.
Worked well IIRC.

Linux Distros are dependent on that they have enough people
caring about that particular Distro.

One would need some kind of Standard Linux Distro that everybody
cared about so if all the other personal distros lose their main motivator
then at least millions still cared about the Standard Distro?

Yeah I am that naibe. None want to support the Standard I know I kknow Smile

Correction and none would want to use it either.
It would not allow you to be root or to do frugal
and it would not work on NTFS and not have Flash.
Totally useless distro Smile Absolutely FOSS Linux Distro

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PostPosted: Tue 16 Apr 2013, 16:38    Post subject:  

@nooby: It seems you are obsessed with running linux on ntfs. I do prefer ntfs as well but in my opinion it is more suited for windows.

For a small amount of time I had Linux Mint Debian Edition (Cinnamon) running. I had 2 different Atari ST/TT/Falcon emulators installed. (The Atari ST is my favorite vintage computer.) As well I installed LXDE as an additional desktop.

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