Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

sickgut · Posted: Mon 27 Jun 2011, 14:35 Post subject: re: luluc's valid argument

hi luluc, in answer to your perfectly valid argument re your last post:

sickgut · Posted: Mon 27 Jun 2011, 14:48 Post subject: same as bruceb

sry to keep hogging the thread, but i like bruceb have also stopped making puppy specific packages, this is because it doesnt really fix any problem. It is only a bandaid effect and it i feel it only encourages disunity in the puppy community, there is always 10x different packages made every day that do the same thing all of varying quality and i feel it doesnt help anyone.

Maybe if there was a process in which packages are sorted and organized propperly such as like happens with debian, this would be better. we need only one decent package that does one thing, not 10 different pidgin pets released every day. we are doing 10 times the amount of labour we should be doing as a community and its no wonder some people loose faith in the whole process.

due to the lack of a good package management system i have been trying to help newbies make their own packages, i feel this is more effective but ofcause there is 10 newbies who will slide through the cracks and not get looked after correctly compared to the 1 who makes it through the initiation process.

i also believe that the sooner we get a system that grabs packages from other major distros repos and installs them correctly and strips them down to puppy size, the better. we shouldnt all be slaving away making custom puppy packages if there are a million packages already made, waiting to be download.

ok ill stop hogging the thread, i am quite passionate about package management.

RetroTechGuy · Joined: 15 Dec 2009 Posts: 2827 Location: USA

sc0ttman · Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Posts: 2405 Location: UK

I'm sure others will disagree, but I find the PPM good enough

I like the newer version, zigberts scalable GUI

I like when people add the dependencies to the .PET files,
so that the deps are automatically installed, if needed.

The biggest problem is not the PPM itself, IMHO..

The main issue for me, is the lack of packages listed in the repos,
compared with other distros - there is not so much there.

However, as has been pointed out already on this thread,
like most Puppy users:

- I get my packages from elsewhere (not the PPM or official repos)
- I compile what I can
- I can find most things that I need on the forum

I worked with apt-get a fair bit, I prefer to manually add stuff,
or at least have total control over what gets added.

Bruce B · Posted: Mon 27 Jun 2011, 18:39 Post subject:

I'm curious what others think. I'll tell you what I think.

I think if I go around clicking on .pet files, it won't take long before something goes wrong.

What do any of you think about this?

~

RetroTechGuy · Joined: 15 Dec 2009 Posts: 2827 Location: USA

nitehawk · Posted: Mon 27 Jun 2011, 22:01 Post subject:

Yes,...
I also discovered (the hard way!) that not all .pets will work with different versions. Then sometimes ya gotta get a little creative. Like going "outside" of Puppy's repository to find what you need, and stuff that will work on your Puppy version. Some stuff on the Slackware DVD (and the second CD of Vector Linux SOHO 6 edition) will work on Wary...for instance. (Not all of the apps,..just the Java,..Win32 codecs,...OpenOffice, xscreensavers, Opera,....etc. etc).

Lobster · Posted: Mon 27 Jun 2011, 22:15 Post subject:

There is always something being done Smile

http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02312

Basically Puppy does move fast and is often divergent.
We used to be in a situation where packages had to be compiled, optimised and tested every 6 weeks
Barryk did most of that himself Shocked

Puppy contains a full suite of usability but users demand more.

For example I want to test out the latest Chrome Browser
Just downloaded and installed the SFS for Lucid525

Here is more info on software
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Software

Puppy
Different.

Bruce B · Posted: Tue 28 Jun 2011, 03:41 Post subject:

SimpleWater · Joined: 19 Apr 2011 Posts: 94

I may have given the impression that i am of a newbie nature, well that may be, but really, searching for dependencies is a rather tedious task. And after the whole "new2dir make install", and before "dir2pet", i would have to manually find and remove every single file that was installed. (not fun)

As you can see, i'm probably not using the best methods, because the pet packaging 101 thread is horribly outdated and is not thorough. So, yes if you still want to make a decent tutorial sickgut. I encourage it.

Still, the ppm really needs a major makeover

sc0ttman · Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Posts: 2405 Location: UK

r1tz · Posted: Wed 29 Jun 2011, 06:02 Post subject:

sickgut · Posted: Tue 05 Jul 2011, 09:41 Post subject:

hi people
http://www.thepussycatforest.info/linux
pussy linux is released. if you remove the pussyxtra.squshfs from the iso or .img then you are left with 67mb for the base live system and 140mb for the pussyos.squashfs
this is compareable to puppy +40mb or so. puppy version 5.0 was 160mb and didnt include a browser. There is still alot of fat that can be trimmed, and if some puppy devs where able get pussy and "pup it up" then you gotta wonder what it would be like to use pussys apt-get install system and have all of puppies nice things too, that would be the ultimate and a world class OS.

so far ive had basicly no one interested in pussy, altho i have hosted more than 100 downloads i dont think its getting the attention it deserves. Its not finnished and it is missing things, its missing the puppy custom stuff like pmount and some puppy specific apps and install scripts and people look at pussy and say its not a puppy. this is true, the whole point of releasing it in this form is so that some puppy devs might fit the cool puppy things in it and turn it into a puppy

now pussy is 100% compatible with debian, it isnt 99% or offers some partial compatibility. It is 100% able to apt-get any thing from debian repos and it will work 100% of the time. This is a 100% working solution to package management.

apt-get update
apt-get instalt whateverthehellyouwant