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#1666 Post by sickgut »

starhawk wrote:sickgut, I have (I think) a very basic request... could you post some screenshots of, er, Pussy, on the first post? I would be more inclined to download it if I knew what it looked like. I'm a visual kinda guy.

Two other (slightly less important) questions:
- is there a CD version? I have slow Internet (not dialup, it's 3g off a cell tower and it's pathetic bordering on appalling) and DVD-Rs are generally rather expensive in this town. EDIT: I should not have assumed it to come on a DVD :oops: nevermind on this one.
- I assume you have included wireless drivers a la Puppy?

This last one is important to me -- it's rather contradictory to tell people "Lin is better than Win" and then turn around and say "...but you have to use Windows drivers for your wireless adapters", particularly when there are native Linux drivers for most of those adapters already! Adding ndiswrapper and calling it a day is common with Debian and Debian-derivatives, and that is simply not acceptable practice to me.
Yes the CDROM version of Pussy has alot of wireless network drivers, however the soon to be released DVD version has alot more and these drivers will be included in the CDROM version when i released the newer revision of that.

Have attached a screenshot to this post, hope it works as i dont attach many things to posts. If it isnt displaying then you can see this screen shot at:

http://www.thepussycatforest.info/linux ... n-shot.jpg

and just for giggles, check this out... its Pussy showing off how its only using 28MB ram to run a full xorg session with a webserver/ ftp/ ssh server etc running with no swap.

http://www.thepussycatforest.info/linux ... mb-ram.png

If you goto http://www.thepussycatforest.info then cick the first link on the top of the page you will see the various pussies to download. The current flagship is the Pussy Xtra beta 2, this fits on a CDROM and is 600mb or so. I recommend using this version for the time being as the base version that is 200mb or so has a couple of bugs. Or you can download the USB image version and use the linux dd command to image the a USB stick. You can do that with windows now too with a program called Win32DiskImager, you can download this from my website:

http://www.thepussycatforest.info/windows-tools/

Note Pussy is still beta quality but when i finish this DVD version ill fix up the other versions and we will be at release quality and i will pay for a spot of distro watch and get the Pussy Linux name out there and know.

I intend to include all the windows programs you might need to make a USB stick/ SD card or external HDD installation of the Pussy from the Pussy CDROM/ DVD from windows. The programs will be included in the ISO.

Pussy is more technically oriented and i have given no thought to asthetics at all except for a desktop background and a ASCII Pussy welcome logo at the login screen (user: root / pass: pussy).

Note that when you startx to get the desktop working, its the JWM environment only and it is visually unimpressive and has a low quality background and no background icons. To enable the high quality Rox filer desktop, click the Meow? button and then Rox-filer background.

Pussy is separated in 3 stages, the console, the low quality JWM destop and the more sophisticated high quality dekstop provided by Rox-filer.
This is setup like this to be more friendly to low RAM computers as the JWM desktop runs very nice on 128mb RAM or even 96 or 64mb RAM, it will run on 42MB RAM but slowly. With the Rox-filer desktop enabled, RAM usage jumos up a step and 64/ 96mb RAM will not be enough for a fast computing experience.

There are documents/ instructions about save files/ save partitions and swap files/ swap partitions in the catroll-panel

have fun....
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#1667 Post by starhawk »

Oh my. You are in dire need of a graphic artist :lol:

OK, I'm joking (mostly) but you aren't kidding when you say you didn't pay much heed to aesthetics. That comes off looking a bit like an older DSL version.

You need some THEMES dude! (If you switch to IceWM you get a lot of these... and more with very little effort... but I don't know if there's an IceWM for Debian...)

Just curious... what does the Kitty Litter icon on the desktop do?

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#1668 Post by cthisbear »

"I intend to include all the windows programs you might need to
make a USB stick/ SD card or external HDD installation of the Pussy
from the Pussy CDROM/ DVD from windows.
The programs will be included in the ISO. "

"

How about the Hiren's Boot cd usb installer files...
which are quite small.
And the Hirens How To USB sites in your browser etc.

Of course you can install Hirens that way too,
otherwise you edit out Hiren's listings in the menu.

For me Hirens just works.
The only thing I can't get going is >> Press F2 or F3
for boot Puppy differently...puppy pfix=ram....etc

Third last post.

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 5&start=30

Hirens Grub4dos zip 187.97 KB

Hiren's USB formatter zip

USBFormat.zip 34.4 KB

Hirens grldr zip
- makes USB multi bootable

grldr.zip 135.79 KB

How To...those files are in the sites below

Newer:

Launching Hiren's BootCD from USB Flash Drive

http://www.hirensbootcd.org/usb-booting/

Older:

Hiren's BootCD From USB Flash Drive (USB Pen Drive)


http://www.hiren.info/pages/bootcd-on-usb-disk

::::::::::

Some Folder names are there >> 4 multiboot

and Menus to make each Puppy boot.

eg: I'm sure you get the picture.

[BOOT]

BOOT

ecomonesf

F4UBCD

fluppy006

fluppy009

fluppy10|

fluppy13

hansamben

HBCD

lucid256

lucid257

lucid520

puppy214top5

puppy431

puppystudio3

wary

insidiouspup

snowpuppy

wary5jp|

grldr|
menu.lst
readme.txt

title Puppy 431 (sdc1/puppy431)
find --set-root --ignore-floppies /puppy431/initrd.gz
kernel /puppy431/vmlinuz pmedia=usbflash psubdir=puppy431 pfix=fsck
initrd /puppy431/initrd.gz

title Puppy Lucid 520 (sdc1/lucid520)
find --set-root --ignore-floppies /lucid520/initrd.gz
kernel /lucid520/vmlinuz pmedia=usbflash psubdir=lucid520 pfix=fsck
initrd /lucid520/initrd.gz

:::::::::::

And add Metapad...excellent
good 4 editing menus in Windows 4 USBs. 45.68 KB

Runs perfectly.
My version posted is 3.51....however there is a newer one...
but untested by me.

http://liquidninja.com/metapad/

::::::

I also suggest these 2 no install Windows ISO burners

Imageburn...no install.. don't update.
I uploaded it from a Hiren's cd ages ago.
Burn no more than 32 speed.

ImgBurn.exe .... Size: 1.53 MB

http://www.datafilehost.com/download-fe571dfa.html

and

BurnCDCC...new release >>Version 2.02 Released 9/29/2012
also now has a 64 bit version in the download

BurnCDCC

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/downlo ... ftware.htm

Chris.

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#1669 Post by cthisbear »

starhawk

" Two other (slightly less important) questions:
- is there a CD version?

I have slow Internet (not dialup,
it's 3g off a cell tower and it's pathetic bordering on
appalling) and DVD-Rs are generally rather expensive in this
town. EDIT: I should not have assumed it to come on a DVD :
oops: nevermind on this one."

:::::

" Oh my. You are in dire need of a graphic artist :lol: "

""""""

Maybe sickgut could post them to you

>>> at my expense.

So he perfects Pussy...then sends me a PM
>>> I post him the money....no problemo

and he sends you out the goodies.

You might guide him on graohics...links etc.

Everybody a winner.
Just don't tell >>> me mum>>> Ize being nice.

Chris.

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#1670 Post by starhawk »

cthisbear, while I appreciate your offer, I'm going to decline it.

He's in Australia if I understand correctly. I'm in the US.

Better to spend a long time for a download, than to deal with US customs.

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#1671 Post by cthisbear »

"Better to spend a long time for a download, than to deal with US customs."

I could post my pic on it mate...what could go wrong.

Homeland star's security drama at airport

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv- ... 27734.html

"""""

Anyway....offer is still on....or

someone in US posts you a cd/dvd etc

and I pay them Paypal or something

Happy to help..Chris.

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#1672 Post by sickgut »

starhawk wrote:Oh my. You are in dire need of a graphic artist :lol:

OK, I'm joking (mostly) but you aren't kidding when you say you didn't pay much heed to aesthetics. That comes off looking a bit like an older DSL version.

You need some THEMES dude! (If you switch to IceWM you get a lot of these... and more with very little effort... but I don't know if there's an IceWM for Debian...)

Just curious... what does the Kitty Litter icon on the desktop do?
Other than a high quality wallpaper for the rox filer back ground that saintless gave me a link to, and my own lame attempts of making a cat pussy logo for the jwm only desktop i have done nothing with asthetics. Even the high quality wallpaper with the face of the cat at the bottom right hand corner was chosen mathematically/ logically as i have the icons in the upper left corner and the lower right face of a pussy cat i thought would balance it all out. the icons are so high up and to the left because i want them to be viewable on 800x480 screens on 7" screen EeePC's, even the current layout pushes that to its limit.

there are a couple of reasons that i figure i have no idea about incorporating asthetics into Pussy:
I see asthetics as a polish the OS gets when everything else is sorted
I have large missing gaps in my eyesight and i am color blind
I do not know how to use even the basic paint programs effectively
I do not dress in cloths that are neat and snazzy, as long as my body is covered im OK
However, i do appreciate art as much as the next guy, i just have no ability to create visual art myself, i cant even pick out a color scheme to paint my house with that doesnt offend people living in my street and what appeals to me is never pleasing to others.
I use a hair trimmer on the closest trim every so often as my hair cut and that is only when it gets so long that it gets in the way, i have no idea how to brush my hair or style it like a normal person, i also do my beard with the trimmer at the same time i do my hair
I have no sense of asthetics at all

however, i do appreciate music, poetry and other things intensely.

i have no idea what looks good or is fashionable or cool
none
I dont even have the ability to sort through pictures people have emailed me that could be used as backgrounds for pussy, i have no idea and no ability to decide what looks good. the only preference i have is a black background as it gives off the least amount of light as i have a lupus/ chronic fatigue syndrome type sickness that makes me light sensitive.... there isnt much light comming from a monitor but it makes a difference when i sit in front of it all day, i also have the screen as dark as possible or i cant see it properly.

however, even tho im missing 40% hearing in one ear and 30% in the other (i put a pen through my ear drum in one ear when i was 3 or 4 and an infection damaged the other), i have trained myself to listen very well and i can even echo locate with a high pitched "sssssss" sound. Even with a mono sound file recorded and played back i can pick the shape of the room it was recorded in.

I also have synesthesia as i see patterns and colors and textures of colors when i hear things. High freq hihats i see as white, an analogue synth lead i see as green, a bassline i see as brown and or black and a snare as light grey and bass kicks as black a cello or piano or flute i see as yellow or orange to red with the lower freq notes being grainy like sand. There is another thing, names have smells and some natural smells that animals make that are usually offensive like a male cat marking its territory in your house, really doesnt bother me and i also see colours and textures with smells. Maybe im animalistic :) So maybe its how i perceive things that has made me lopsided. However this has only ever been a plus for me never a negative, im sure i gain more enjoyment from sound that most others it is very pleasant.

This may explain why i have quite alot of sound/ music apps in pussy.

Kitty litter is kinda like trashcan/ recycle bin... there is a catroll-panel option to empty it.

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#1673 Post by sickgut »

ive included grub2 in pussy, the package is there but it doesnt affect how pussy boots and runs, however ill add a catroll-panel option to reinitialize grub and it will go through asking you questions and you have a chance to set it up on your hdd and then copy over the pussy files to your hdd or vice/ versa. There will be a very stern warning that this is only for experienced users.

ill review indepth the other posts that where posted recently about the other tools to setup dual booting/ hdd install etc. Your posts are not lost on me even if i take a while to reply.

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#1674 Post by sickgut »

Just to bump the thread, and to show how many packages so far have been added to Pussy DVD (only a little more than half full at present) and to give everyone an idea of what is being added just for the hell of it, here is the current list of packages added so far.... any comments are welcome.

Packages added so far are:
xsane - scanner software for X
mozilla-plugin-vlc - play media embedded in websites like .wav or .mp3
rosegarden - music composition and MIDI workstation
audacity - digital audio workstation/ wave editor
mypaint - paint program
jack - MIDI connection kit
jack-tools - tool for jack
qjackctl - utility to manage jack
bitscope - monitor jack
patchage - patch bay for jack
beep - type beep at the console and the pc speaker will beep
bb - demo of libaa ascii graphical library set to music
xsidplay + libsidplay2 + sidplay-base - X and console C64 music player
dcraw and fraw - read raw image data from files or cameras
cups-driver-gutenprint (included cups) - more printing functionality
escputil - epson printer maintenance utils
photon - a static HTML gallery generator
blender - no idea, some people have requested it before 3D modeling??
wimgs3d - same kinda thing as blender i think
ardour - digital audio workstation
vkeybd - Virtual Keyboard program (MIDI keyboard)
hydrogen + hydrogen-extra-drumkits - MIDI drum sequencer
timemachine - JACK audio recorder for spontaneous and conservatory use
bristol + bristol-data + monobristol - retro soft synth(s) monobristol is the GUI
fluidsynth + qsynth - softsynth, qsynth is the front end
amsynth - soft synth
aconnectgui - alsa/ jack connection kit
seq24 - MIDI sequencer
sooperlooper - looping sampler
jack-rack - effects "rack" for jack
lilypond - musical notation editor
ed - classical archaic frustrating horrible skitzophrenia causing Unix editor should be illegal
fluid-soundfont-gm - 149MB of soundfonts
dia - diagram creation/ drawing tool
pinta - similar to MTpaint or MSpaint basic drawing/ painting
geany - text editor with more features than leafpad
tweak - hexeditor
xaos - fractal explorer/ generator/ utility
klogic - digital circuitboard designer/ simulator
Axel + axel-kapt - download accelerator/ resumer app, axel-kapt is the GUI
gnome-mud - also known as gmud, a client for MUD, MUSH, MOO text games
libdvdcss2 - dvd decryption codec required to play most commercial dvd movies
installed from the deb-multimedia.org repo. i cant believe i missed that
in pussy-xtra, apollogies ppl.
gxine - media player, more user friendly than mplayer but cant play as many new vid file formats
cbrpager - reader for cbr files (comic book archive, popular these days)
fotoxx - digital photo editor
kover - WYSIWYG CD cover printer
mistelix - DVD authoring and slideshow creation application
okular - universal document viewer
ocropus - document analysis and OCR
openclipart-svg - large selection of open source clip art in .svg format (open using gimp or inkscape)
clipart is installed in /usr/share/openclipart/svg/ but ill add an easier to remember link
png2html - converts a .png image file into coloured ascii .html webpage
xplanet - renders planets with lots of different options in 3D
gniall - niall is a non intelligent language learner and has been around for years, this is a gnome or GTK version
coriander - ieee1394 digital camera control
celestia-gnome - celestial body 3D simulator
stellarium - virtual stellarium
gok - gnome onscreen keyboard
mc - midnight commander
gnome-orca - scriptable screen reader
virtualbox-4.2.0-debian-squeeze - latest virtualbox from www.virtualbox.org
alsa-base - more alsa sound stuff.. should have been in the other Pussies but wasnt
fontforge - edit or make custom fonts
denomo - lilypond GTK+ frontend
kguitar - KDE guitar tablaturization editor/ creator
terminatorx - some kind of sound synthesizer, Ubuntu studio calls this a DJ tool
solfege - an ear training tool whatever that means.
*lapsda-plugin - seemed like a good idea at the time.
festival - multilingual speech synthesizer
pidgin - multi protocol chat client
xchat - milti protocol chat client
lzma - lzma compression system, xarchiver should pick up on this automatically
advancecomp - collection of recompression utilities
lsof - list open files, no idea what that means, saintless uses it so it must be good
directvnc - a vnc client that can use the framebuffer for its display (pussy has framebuffer support
at a console/ terminal level, so this program will work without the need for the X/ Xorg/ x11 system at all
gstreamer - alot of gstreamer packages where installed due to some other programs needing it
ktechlab - circuit simulator for microcontrollers and electronics
qucs - Quite Universal Circuit Simulator
icedove - mail and newsgroup client with RSS and spam filter
koffice - office suite that uses KDE libs but still works without the KDE desktop
mysql-common-all + server + core- and other mysql packages installed as a result of koffice
gigolo - networking tool that can manage windows shares, ssh, ftp etc easier apparently.
gvidm - change monitor resolution quick and easy in X
lzop - lzo compression package, may not be needed... ill check it all out later
dvd+rw-tools - as the name suggests
genisoimage - advanced iso editor/ creator
agedu - Unix utility for tracking down wasted disk space
cdtool text based audio CD player and CDROM control commands
bplay - buffered audio file player/ recorder
kopete - kde msn client
gworldclock - show the time and date in specified time zones
mysql-server + mysql-client - mysql... whatever that is
intel-gpu-tools - tools for messing with an intel GPU, most cheap laptops have this GPU
amoeba + amoeba-data - some kind of OpenGL demonstration
alltray - a docking tray app
mesa-utils - 3D accelleration tools
driconf - configure dri video stuff
grafx2 - another simple paint program
grabc - click a pixel and it will give you the hex code for that colour
ffmpeg - latest from deb-multimedia.org
talk - send a message to another logged in user (terminal)
xtalk - same as above but graphical X11 version
tell - send message to a logged in user
usbview - look for usb devices
grub2 + os-prober + grub-common + grub-pc - all the grub bootloader for dual booting (installed but not active, its there if you want to use it.. a catroll-panel option should provide a walkthrough)
mencoder - utility for encoding videos etc
alsa-tools + alsa-tools-gui - console ad GUI based hardware specific alsa tools
alsaplayer-text - alsa sound player using a text mode no need for X system
alsaplayer-xosd - alsa player with a fancy on screen display feature
alsoft-conf - OpenAL-Soft configuration utility whatever that means
amarok - easy to use media player for KDE
audacious + audacious-plugins- media player and plugins for it
audacious-dumb - old school .mod music/ sound format file playback support
google earth - google earth by google

Package management:
Synaptic !!! - Finally we have graphical point and click package management.
Configure-Debian - easy to use front end for the debconf tool that lets you reconfigure packages just like when they have been installed for the first time
useful if you wanna change how lighttpd or mysql CUPS or SAMBA or something is configured by default in Pussy. No one config can keep everyone happy.
aptitude - not entirely sure how this is different to apt-get

Laptop stuff:
laptop-mode-tools - power saving features
usb-modeswitch - mode switching tool for controlling "flip flop" USB devices
acpi-support-base - power on/ off/ suspend etc and other functions
gkrellm-ibam - laptop battery monitor


Bluetooth:
blueman

Printing:
cups
cups-driver-gutenprint
cups-pdf
gtklp - gnome to cups interface
xprint + xprint-common + xprint-utils - pretty much everything you need to print with xprint
xpp - X printing panel, may have something to do with xprint

Printer drivers:
min12xxw - Printer driver for KonicaMinolta PagePro
c2050 - Lexmark 2050 Color Jetprinter Linux Driver
cjet - Software PCL emulation for Canon CaPSL laser
foo2zjs - Support for printing to ZjStream-based printers
hpijs - HP Linux Printing and Imaging - gs IJS driver (hpijs)
hplip-cups - HP Linux Printing and Imaging - CUPS Raster driver
pnm2ppa - PPM to PPA converter
splix - Driver for Samsung's SPL2 (bw) and SPLc (color)
foomatic-db-gutenprint - OpenPrinting printer support - database for Gutenprint
cupsddk - Common UNIX Printing System (transitional package)
hplip - HP Linux Printing and Imaging System (HPLIP)
openprinting-ppds - OpenPrinting printer support - PostScript PPD files
hpijs-ppds - HP Linux Printing and Imaging - HPIJS PPD files
escputil - maintenance utility for Epson Stylus printers
ijsgutenprint - runtime for the Gutenprint printer driver library
cupsddk-drivers - a virtual package maybe useless i dunno
mtink - Status monitor tool for Epson inkjet printers
libinklevel5 - library for checking the ink level of your local printer
djtools - Tools for HP DeskJet printer
ifhp - Printer filter for HP LaserJet printers
ppdfilt - filter that inserts printer specific commands into print jobs
qink - Simple printer ink level monitor based on libinklevel
cups-pdf - PDF printer for CUPS
mpage - print multiple pages per sheet on PostScript printer
pconf-detect - Small printer auto-detect command-line tool
system-config-printer-kde - printer configuration utility
ink - tool for checking the ink level of your local printer


Browsers:
iceweasel - debian version of an out dated but very stable Firefox
midori - browser that is small and fast, renders HTML perfectly but doesnt support java.
If this browser suported java, it would be the one browser to rule them all

games:
airstrike - dog fight 2 biplanes 2 player, abe - abes amazing adventure side scroller,
abuse - no idea.. a game,
bzflag client and server - a multiplayer tank game that has a large online community
billard-gl - billiards/ snooker/ 8 ball/ pool simulation
briquolo - breakout style game (not as good as arkanoid, nothing ever will be)
gnuchess - chess game
xjig - x11 jigsaw puzzle
gnome-games - shitloads of desktop games
kdegames - so many games its not funny
wesnoth + wesnoth-editor + wesnoth-music (149mb) - some kind of game thing also installed libboost-iostreams1.42.0 and libboost-regex1.42.0 427mb in all!!
ill add a link to the .ogg game music files, there is alot of them, they are good quality and would serve very well as a test for mediaplayers etc
bugsquish, bumprace, circuslinux, cuyo, funnyboat, heroes-sld, holotz-castle,jumpnbump
koules, lbreakout2, madbomber, supertux, tuxmath, vodovod, xsoldier, bsdgames, moon-buggy-esd, nettoe, zivot, animals
xblast-tnt, xpilot-ng, armagetronad, extremetuxracer, gltron, neverball, supertuxkart
trackballs, neverputt, pong2, froze-bubble, gtrans, hex-a-hop, lmemory,
sgt-puzzles

desktop glitter/ widgets/ novelties:
xfireworks, xfishtank, xpenguins, xteddy - teddies and penguins etc for your X
oneko - a cat chases the cursor (now a mouse) around your desktop
xscreensaver + xscreensaver-gl + xscreensaver-data + xscreensaver-data-extra
xscreensaver-gl-extra + xscreensaver-screensaver-bsod + xscreensaver-screensaver-webcollage - screensavers
electricsheep

Xserver/ xorg input drivers:
xserver-xorg-input-elographics
xserver-xorg-input-all
xserver-xorg-input-evtouch
xserver-xorg-input-joystick
xserver-xorg-input-* - this installed x11proto-core-dev xserver-xorg-input-acecad
aiptek, evdev-dev, joystick-dev, kbd, mouse, penmount,
synaptics-dev, tslib, vmmouse, void

xserver-xorg-video- drivers etc:
kernel-package
libglide2
xserver-xorg-video-amd
-dummy
-glamo
-glide
-glint
-qxl
-radeonhd
-tga
-via
-ivtv
office:
abiword gnumeric koffice gnome-office gnucash planner

Firmware/ drivers:
firmware-linux-free - free firmware for linux i presume
firmware-linux - probably even more firmware for linux
firmware-linux-nonfree - let me guess.. non free firmware for linux?
zd1211-firmware - possibly firmware for a zd1211
libertas-firmware - libertas wifi firmware
firmware-realtek - have a guess
firmware-qlogic - stating the obvious
firmware-ralink - i hope all this firmware works
firmware-netxen - so much firmware, so little time
-bnx2x - Broadcom NetXtreme II 10Gb firmware from ppl who put capital X's in the middle of names, so mature guys.
-brcm80211 - Broadcom 802.11 wireless cards
-intelwimax - Intel WiMax
-ipw2x00 - Intel Pro Wireless 2100, 2200 and 2915
-ivtv - MPEG codec formware aparently
-iwlwifi - oh look some more wireless network firmware from intel
-atheros - firmware for Atheros wireless network cards
-bnx2 - firmware for Broadcom NetXtreme II
atmel-firmware - Firmware for Atmel at76c50x wireless networking chips.
alsa-firmware-loaders - Firmware loaders for specific sond hardware

gimp plugins:
gimp-data-extras- An extra set of brushes, palettes, and gradients
gimp-dds - DirectDraw Surface) plugin for the gimp
gimp-resynthesizer: Gimp plugin for texture synthesis
gtkam-gimp -gimp plugin to open digital camera pictures
gimp-gmic - GIMP plugin for GREYC's Magic Image Converter
gimp2.0-quiteinsane: A Qt based SANE plugin for GIMP 2.0
gimp-plugin-registry - repository of optional extensions for The GIMP
gimp-gap - gimp animation package
gimp-ufraw - gimp imported for raw camera images
abr2gbr - Converts PhotoShop brushes to GIMP
gimp-dcraw - GIMP plug-in for loading RAW digital photos

video editing:
kdenlive kino openmovieeditor stopmotion dvgrab

networking:
ahcpd - adhoc networking support (wireless without the use of a router etc)
iputils-arping - send pings to mac addresses or something
iputils-tracepath - sounds suspiciously like traceroute
iputils-clockdiff - measure time differences between networked computers
ipv6calc - small utility for manipulating IPv6 addresses
traceroute - ping an ip or domain and it will show what ips are inbetween you and the destination
batmand - a better aproach to adhoc networking
bmon - bandwidth monitor and rate estimater
ethstatus - ncurses/ console ethernet bandwidth monitor
bridge-utils - Utilities for configuring the Linux Ethernet bridge
tinyproxy - a small efficient proxy server
corkscrew - tunnel TCP connections through HTTP proxies
doscan - portacanner to discover services on large networks
filezilla - full featured ftp ftps ftps2 etc client
gmediaserver - UPnP media server
icecream - lightweight stream download utility
nast - packet sniffer and lan analyzer
nbtscan - scan networks for NetBIOS name information
ndisc6 - IPv6 diagnostic tools
netcat - TCP/IP swiss army knife
netcat6 - as above but for IPv6
mango-lassi - share mouse and keyboard with other computers
synergy - share mouse and keyboard over network
kppp - kde dialup internet/ networking tool
teamviewer - collaberative network prog that lets you work on stuff together (i think)
webissues + webissues-server - collaberative network tool for X11
darkstat - advanced netwrk traffic monitoring tool that keeps logs of everything, not enabled
the user can enable it by editing /etc/darkstat/init.cfg and you can start and stop it
using: /etc/init.d/darkstat start ill make a catroll-panel option to enable this
xprobe - remote OS identification
weplab - tool to crack wep wifi encryption keys
wondershaper - restrict network bandwidth that other users are using
xtightvncviewer - small vnc client for X
x11vnc + x11vnc-data - vnc server for x11
vnc4server - a vnc server
vncsnapshot - allows you to capture a vnc screen and save it as a .jpg
Installed but have not described them yet:
fortune -
fortunes -
qcam -
xdaliclock -
streamer -
amule- saintless included it in his remastered.iso, so it must be good
geop-ip - must be something to do with geography and ip addies or national geographic and imps
simple-scan
tzwatch -
kmess
kget
kdenetwork-filesharing
knocker

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#1675 Post by sickgut »

i still cant believe how many developers really think the world will end if you login as root.... ive found that xscreensaver wont run as root and thats a pain.... the solution in the FAQ for this? you should never be logging into your system as root! what? are you crazy or something?

http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/faq.html#root-fail

it makes me want to puke.

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#1676 Post by cthisbear »

"i still cant believe how many developers really think the world will
end if you login as root."

Agree. Taught them all I know.....and it's not much.

"""""""""""

Sickie....take your time....have a rest...
we want to use you up and finish Pussy for release on
DVD...CD...and PI versions.

Cheers mate....Chris.

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#1677 Post by RSH »

http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/faq.html#root-fail wrote:Don't log in as root.

As described above, xscreensaver disavows its privileges if it finds that it is running as root, for security reasons.
I did not know, how dangerous it is to use a screensaver application...

Maybe one fine day a computer will just show one message after boot up:

You should not run this computer - for security reasons. Bye...

and then shutdown automatically. :lol:

EDIT:

Would be a very small OS, though. :lol:
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[b][url=http://rshs-dna.weebly.com]RSH's DNA[/url][/b]
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#1678 Post by sickgut »

Had a couple of days off inline with my resolution to avoid burnout and a balanced lifestyle.

However, i just got done installing everything to do with speech synthesis and text to speech and speech to text/ or commands but i have not tested any of this as the virtual box im using doesnt want to have mic and sound working.

Have also compiled QB64 for Pussy, its the best old school BASIC program i could find. It isnt the exact same as MS Quick Basic but its 99% there. Looks the same, works the same but doesnt infringe on copyright etc, its as close as you can legally get to it.

There is still only 1.6gb of size added to the iso and so i am open to collecting a large selection of wallpapers etc/ free music/ pictures and even free public domain ebooks.

there are a few things complaining on startup, nfs fails and mysql server has its panties in a knot because apache2 isnt installed. Apache2 while being more industry standard than lighttpd (pussy uses lighttpd) its a beast when it comes to resources when compared to lighttpd. There are other SQL options that dont need Apache2, but i have no way of testing the resulting install as i know nothing about SQL. I may have to rely on feedback from this forum when i release the initial preview of Pussy DVD for everyone to test/ look at. Ill also post off a Pussy DVD to people seriously wanting to try it and contribute to the project who cannot download 4.3gb due to bandwidth restrictions etc, ill send it free ofcause.

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#1679 Post by sickgut »

the fps game based on the Q3 engine called: "smokin' guns" will be included in Pussy DVD.

Altho "just another first person shooter that is based on technology from more than a decade ago" it is unique enough that i see it being able to appeal to a wider audience or a different user base than the already included assault cube and the possibly soon to be included Open Arena.

http://www.smokin-guns.org is the website and its available for Windows and Linux in .deb form or as a general Linux package (forgot to check if the general package is precompiled).

Its a western themed shooter that makes the player contend with clunky old weapons and a rather refreshing take on dual pistol setups as the left mouse button by default fires the left pistol while the right button fires the right pistol. There is a popular online community so the player will have no trouble in finding game servers to join and play against other people.

I am still trying to decide what is the best Windows program to include in Pussy is, something that will showcase the capabilities of Wine to run a Windows program. There is a common misconception amongst Windows users that yes, you can run some Windows programs on Wine in Linux, but Linux is overly technical and its really hard to be able to actually get Windows programs to run on Wine. I want to show people that its no harder than Windows, all you do it click on the program that is installed. Hell its easier than Windows because usually Windows is setup to require double clicking while Linux is usually single click.

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#1680 Post by sickgut »

re: main office suite

I think Pussy DVD will replace OpenOffice version 3 with the latest Libre-Office.

However, i am still weighing up the pros and cons of all the different ways to add this to Pussy. I dont know how bleeding edge this needs to be in Pussy, is this the type of thing people actually care about? I am not being sarcastic or anything else, i genuinely do not know.

If the current version OpenOffice that is included with Pussy is still up to the task then ill leave it there.

I am looking at the different packages of OpenOffice/ Libre-Office... portable, squeeze (out dated) and wheezy (has a recent version of Libre-office but as far as i can tell it still isnt the newest version).

OpenOffice didnt seem to still be available at the sun/ oracle site, is it still being developed? I went to openoffice.org and it looks as tho its now called apache open office. I have no idea of any of this.

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#1681 Post by greengeek »

I think Openoffice has been sidelined and is not developed the way it used to be. Libreoffice seems quite variable from release to release in my opinion, and I feel a lack of confidence in it's consistency and compatibility (although I don't have any specific examples to offer at the moment..)

My personal choice would be to use Textmaker 2008 (part of the free Softmaker 2008 package that Barry got hold of) and add docx support (even if it is read only that would be better than nothing).

Some versions of Abiword are supposed to be docx capable but I've had little success.

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#1682 Post by sickgut »

aaaarrrgh

I wasted a whole morning trying to upgrade Pussy DVD to the newest Seamonkey and Java but couldnt get Seamonkey to detect Java or run Java on websites (runescape.com and keepvid.com are a good test)

but apparently newest Seamonkey isnt compatible with Sun/ Oracle Java 7 and above, i found this info on the Seamonkey site. I hope this isnt a general Mozilla browser kinda thing as ill try Firefox as the new cleanmode browser.

If worst comes to worst then ill just have to keep the current Seamonkey and Java verisons.

Does anyone have any comments as to any recent incompatibilities the older Java has with new software? I didnt notice any but like i keep saying, i dont use a computer in the way normal people do so i dont know whats popular etc.

the combination of new seamonkey with old java doesnt work either, also the new java and old seamonkey. Arrrrgh!!!

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#1683 Post by sickgut »

greengeek wrote:I think Openoffice has been sidelined and is not developed the way it used to be. Libreoffice seems quite variable from release to release in my opinion, and I feel a lack of confidence in it's consistency and compatibility (although I don't have any specific examples to offer at the moment..)

My personal choice would be to use Textmaker 2008 (part of the free Softmaker 2008 package that Barry got hold of) and add docx support (even if it is read only that would be better than nothing).

Some versions of Abiword are supposed to be docx capable but I've had little success.
thanks for filling me in. Ill look for a docx plugin for abiword and or the other few office packages that have been installed so far.

The OpenOffice in Pussy that is already there may or may not be replaced with anything newer as im still experimentng. There are a few pluses for having an official debian openoffice package (however this will be a little out of date) namely seamless intergration into OS as a whole, especially if openoffice plugins for firefox and other browsers is included. The slightly newer OpenOffice that is included in Pussy currently (from Pussy Xtra) is a static install that isnt so seamlessly working with everything else automatically. Here we have the 2 sides of the coin most common with 100% debian based OSes, either have newer static installed packages that are a little more fiddly, or have older out of date packages that have been tested to work very well....

At the moment i am leaning toward having the koffice and goffice and abiword type stuff from debian handle everything automatically with browser plugins and other type stuff but also have a libre or newer openoffice statically installed but kinda disconnected from the rest of the OS.

[edit: have added a packaged called "tea", it can open and manipulated MS Docx files as well as most others. Have not found an Abiword plugin for Docx yet]

[edit #2: just checked, the Open Office 3 that is already in Pussy Xtra and therefore Pussy DVD will inherit it also has Docx support, but i am looking for text maker to see if there is a neat package i can use]

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#1684 Post by sickgut »

re: java and browsers

There is alot of room left in the DVD iso and this lets us do things not usually considered in an OS.

The current situation like being caught between a rock and a hard place, but there are a few points i wanna make clear so that yall are up to speed:

1) New Seamonkey doesnt work with new version 7 Java, nor does new Seamonkey work with old Java or old Seamonkey with new Java. The current cleanmode browser of a Seamonkey that is fairly old coupled with the not so up to date Java does work however so this will be left as is. Cleanmode browser that is basicly an auto unzipping static package that creates links to the static installed Java will be kept at their current versions.

2) the only Debian Squeeze Java packages from the Debian repos (Pussy is based on Debian) is very old, much older than the static Java that cleanmode Seamonkey uses. This will work flawlessly with the older browsers that have been installed from the Debian repos. These cant be tricked easily into using the staticly installed version of java that the cleanmode Seamonkey uses.

3) its possible to have the best of both worlds, cleanmode Seamonkey using its own version of statically install Java that is disconnected from the rest of the OS, and Debian repo installed browsers using the older Java that is available from the Debian repos.

4) This still doesnt give us a combination of the latest browser and the latest version of Java. However, the cleanmode seamonkey setup has its own squashfs file, this allows for it to be easily changed without having to download the entire OS again.

The best way to navigate through these problems (in my opinion) is to keep the cleanmode Seamonkey and its statically installed Java (the Java seamonkey links to is in /xtra/java) unchanged but to also install the official older Debian Squeeze version of Java so that the browsers installed from the same Debian Squeeze repos uses the older Java with no further config needed. However the Java executables that link to (or from depends how you look at it) /usr/bin/ will be linked to the newer static installed Java not the native Debian one so that Java apps run locally that dont use a web browser are running on the slightly newer version than the official Debian Squeeze version.

This problem of the lack of an up to date browser running an up to date Java will only be temporary because as soon as the compatibility between the new browser and new Java is solved, a new seamonkey.squashfs will be released, providing an easy upgrade so the user doesnt have to download the entire OS again. However the Pussy iso will be updated to include the new squashfs as well.

in the meantime tho, we are screwed :(

[edit: anyone work around is to make Pussy a Squeeze/ Wheezy hybrid, there is a Java version 7 (reasonably new) in Wheezy and much newer browsers. This would work but it would make Pussy a little harder to support when Pussy users goto a Debian chat channel to get support. No one will touch a hybrid of the two versions.]

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#1685 Post by rokytnji »

I don't know if this will work in pussy for you or not sickgut.

The 2 ways I install java in Debian.

One way

http://antix.freeforums.org/how-i-insta ... t3892.html

Another way



http://www.duinsoft.nl/packages.php

Good luck with it.

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