Fatdog64-520 RC

[jamesbond]

Hans,

Question:
Is there a good way to log the console-messages at shutdown?
So once in a while I see quite a lot of them flashing by. Not allways though.

I face the same problem I can think of a solution if you managed to boot at least twice and created your save file - then edit /etc/rc.d/rc.shutdown and delete the line that empties /var/log/messages.
If you have any progress on your lxpanel update, please do let us know

rcrsn51,
I managed to patch ted and now it runs better, not crashing anymore. It's on the pet repo now for anyone who is interested (en-GB dictionary included). The bug is still there, though - when you choose the font, the font sample at the top of the dialog sometimes doesn't work - but otherwise the setting is used properly inside the document.

cheers!

[Hans]

Jamesbond,
I am stuck on lxpanel for now, but the diff works, so that is a win for the next RC I guess, but the panel settings button does not, and is it not for the same reason jou mentioned earlier?

You can't just compile plain lxpanel, it has to be patched (otherwise you see no menus),

I used the source you mentioned but didn't patch a thing. And that might cause the panel settings button crash.
What patch are you referring to?

[jamesbond]

The source I referred to is already patched. Try to compile the source as is without applying further patches (ie your diff), and see if it works. If it works, then your diff causes instabilities elsewhere that would have caused the crash.
The panel setting is very important - in my opinion, it's more important than ability to see all the windows in pager. You can always switch desktops by pressing Ctrl-Alt-Left/Right-arrow, or Alt-mousewheel (when your cursor is on lxpanel).

cheers!

[rcrsn51]

rcrsn51,
I managed to patch ted and now it runs better, not crashing anymore. It's on the pet repo now for anyone who is interested (en-GB dictionary included). The bug is still there, though - when you choose the font, the font sample at the top of the dialog sometimes doesn't work - but otherwise the setting is used properly inside the document.

Thanks. I was actually being a bit facetious. I have been messing around with Abiword for years, but they have never been able to get it just right. Some recent versions have been awful at handling graphics.

Ted strikes me as an adequate little word processor, except that you are locked into the RTF format. It's too bad that he didn't include a DOC converter.

[WillM]

LXPanel requires menu-cache and lxmenu-data packages since version 0.4.0. First install menu-cache, then lxmenu-data then lxpanel.
I skipped the lxmenu-data part. Installed menu-cache-0.3.2 and
lxpanel-0.5.8. This puts application specific icons on the launcher area.
One thing I didn't like was the lxpanel menu put about 90% of the menu applications in category Other. The Openbox right click menu was not affected.

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lxpanelctl - LXPanel Controller
Usage: lxpanelctl <command>

Available commands:
menu	show system menu
run	show run dialog
config	show configuration dialog
restart	restart lxpanel
exit	exit lxpanel

I almost forgot, Firefox 6.0.pet has been working very nicely.

[jamesbond]

Thanks. I was actually being a bit facetious. I have been messing around with Abiword for years, but they have never been able to get it just right. Some recent versions have been awful at handling graphics.

Like crashing when you try to resize
Anyway, I've fixed that cut-paste crash, I've sent the patch to kirk. May be in the next rc or final.

Ted strikes me as an adequate little word processor, except that you are locked into the RTF format. It's too bad that he didn't include a DOC converter.

Agree. I was looking for a standalone doc/docx4 converter for a while and couldn't find any decent ones too.

WillM, all the apps shows in "others" because puppy xdg menu structure doesn't use the standard categories defined by freedesktop. That's one of the reason why lxpanel in Fatdog is patched - to use Puppy's categories. Openbox menu is defined independently of lxpanel - and again, it was heavily modified to align with puppy's menu structure. When I built libreoffice SFS, I need to edit their desktop files otherwise they won't show up in the proper location on lxpanel's patched menu categories.

Firefox 6.0 is working fine on this corner too.

cheers!

[Hans]

Jamesbond,

I think the diff works. No crashes this time. I tested it on the live cd and on my full install and I see no changes in behavior except for the intended one. You might want to try it out, the patched pet is in the tar and the diff-thingies as well.

Leaves me to wonder why it didn't work the first time, the one that caused lxpanel to crash. Difference is with the second attempt that I used prefix=/usr, instead of leaving it to default, what I normally do and generally works well.

So a question for learning purposes:
-For the fatdog-applications what prefix should I use?

[Ray MK]

Hi kirk, jamesbond

been a bit slow on picking up on this - really nice and fast.

just booted, so will play a bit and provide some noob feedback.

so far looks and feels outstanding - many thanks.

very best regards - ray

[Hans]

jamesbond,

regarding this problem I still have:

2-Just after starting X is halted. Black screen and movable mouse point. Crt-alt-backspace to quit X. Happens irregulary but also from the life cd and the 3 beta's I tested, mentioned above. I am not sure about 511 and I did not test other beta's. See Xerror.jpg it is clear enough I believe, something is keeping X busy. It helps to disable some startup scripts but so far I can not erradicate it completely.
Am I the only one with this problem? It seems so...I did not come across this error on the forum.

This time it showed me something else, see jpg.
I don't think it is related to the problem above but it shows lxpanel has a problem with one of its pixmaps.

UPDATE: found another diff on correcting this pixmap-error...working on it..more later I hope..
And yeah..the X error is definitely not connected, X is halted with no error, at least, not that I can discover. My hardware I think.

[WillM]

I am really liking Fatdog64-520 RC.
Hardinfo-0.5.2pre doesn't return results for all the benchmarks.
CPU Fibonacci and CPU Blowfish are the only two that returned a score consistent with the older version. Nothing else returned a score except GPU Drawing did return a mark for this machine, but nothing to compare it to.
Thanks for making Fatdog64 available.

[kirk]

Hardinfo-0.5.2pre doesn't return results for all the benchmarks.

Yes, some of those test seem to be broke. But the old Hardinfo only tested one CPU core, so for most 64bit CPUs, all of the benchmark tests were broke.

I've uploaded RC2:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 811#555811

[patelbhavesh]

tried the 64-bit version.

Liked
=====================
1>Speed is much faster
2>can use more then 4 gb ram
3>integration with sven especially OSD volume controls etc
4>wifi etc just works OOB
5>standby/sleep mode just works by closing the flap of the laptop and comes up flawlessly , even with wireless etc.


disliked
======================
1>Vi does not work
2>it does not shutdown most of the times.
3>some of my important 32-bit applications dont work.i think i have to download the sfs of 32-bit libraries.

Once again thanks for the hard work and effort put by the development team to help in this.

[timothyli]

RC2 works flawlessly on my Dell Inspiron 15R laptop (i5-2410 8G RAM HD3000 Graphics). Thanks!

[jamesbond]

Hans,

The default ./configure for most apps in Fatdog is

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 --prefix /usr --libdir /usr/lib64 --sysconfdir /etc

The lxpanel pixmap error has been there for sometime too, it's annoying but so far it's not breaking anything (at least not critical enough). But do let us posted with your progress.

Patel,
What do you mean by

vi does not work

I can edit stuff with it.

cheers!

[patelbhavesh]

Patel,
What do you mean by

vi does not work

I can edit stuff with it.

cheers!

In the default urxvt console when i type vi i get command not found.see below

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#vi
bash: vi : command not found

Also one more problem is ping doesn't work even though internet works thru mozilla firefox(that is how im posting this post) etc.

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#ping www.gnu.org
ping: bad address 'www.gnu.org'

what i noticed is that even though internet etc works any command line utilities like wget dont work it is not able to resolve dns via command line versus windowed applications like firefox etc work fine.
P.S. i have not made any customizations or anything , just downloaded the iso and installed it via frugal mode.

[kirk]

In the default urxvt console when i type vi i get command not found.see below

VI is in the devx file (actually VIM). The ISO does include mp, which most find easier to use.

Also one more problem is ping doesn't work even though internet works thru mozilla firefox

Works for me,

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# ping www.google.com
PING www.google.com (74.125.113.147): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 74.125.113.147: seq=0 ttl=51 time=187.162 ms
64 bytes from 74.125.113.147: seq=1 ttl=51 time=125.420 ms
64 bytes from 74.125.113.147: seq=2 ttl=51 time=115.115 ms

I'm using a blackberry modem at the moment. I'll try again at home with a wifi connection.

[Hans]

Jamesbond,
thanks for the prefix, I will use it from now on. So if the pixmap-errors are not that worrysome then the patch I posted would be a good alternative.
I patched it again with another diff, no pixmap errors but this morning it crashed on me. Didn't look at the errors, I was to busy at the time. I will take some more time to test it properly. I will let you know.

patelbhavesh,

I don't know how other fatdog users get to their 32 bit apps but this is what I do:

HOWTO chroot to 32 bit puppy on separate partition.
Install lucidpuppy or whatever puppy in a separate partition and clean it out to make it small, or don't if you have the space. I didn't, lucid takes about 780 mb.
If your using Lucid, then in the menu, select SETUP, and then choice applications that you do not require. In this example I use opera on the 32 bits puppy in sda8 to use the citrix receiver, works great!

In terminal:
mkdir /mnt/lucid526

edit /etc/fstab by adding the lines:
/dev/sda8 /mnt/lucid526 ext3 defaults 0 0
proc-chroot /mnt/lucid526/proc proc defaults 0 0

My script 'chroot-up' to start opera on the 32 bits chroot.

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#!/bin/sh
mount /mnt/lucid526
sleep 1
cp /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/lucid526/etc/resolv.conf
chroot /mnt/lucid526 /usr/bin/opera

My still very crude script 'chroot-down' to unmount the chroot:

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#!/bin/sh
#can not umount /mnt/lucid526, dbus-launch is active, umount like this:
A=`fuser -m /dev/sda8`
kill "${A##* }"
sleep 0.2
B=`fuser -m /dev/sda8`
kill "${B##* }"
sleep 0.2
C=`fuser -m /dev/sda8`
kill "${C##* }"
sleep 0.2
D=`fuser -m /dev/sda8`
kill "${D##* }"
sleep 0.2
E=`fuser -m /dev/sda8`
kill "${E##* }"
sleep 0.2
F=`fuser -m /dev/sda8`
kill "${F##* }"
sleep 0.7
umount /mnt/lucid526

Important is to kill the open processes starting with the highest process number as I discovered, X will crash. I am still learning bash, on the go so to speak, so if a bash-guru out there knows a nice loop construction, let me know, it would save me some time.
As you see mine is limited to 6 processes.

And if you are worried about security then maybe a 'su spot' in front of the 'chroot' command will work.

[gcmartin]

Is this a FATDOG problem or something in Hardinfo?

[kirk]

It displays the amount of ram below. I think it doesn't know model/manufacture.

[jamesbond]

For 32-bit apps, see here http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... e-sfs.html