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CD RW wont boot after saving first setup on CD.
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chris333242

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PostPosted: Thu 13 Oct 2011, 23:25    Post subject:  

>> If the CD-RW you already burned will still boot to Puppy,<<
Negative ! That was the problem. The addition of the config/setup files burnt to the CD made it unbootable. Maybe 'blanking' it ( format ?) might help.
Will get back when I can. Thanks
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PostPosted: Thu 13 Oct 2011, 23:40    Post subject:  

After you manage to get a Puppy CD to boot, however you do it, please try using Pburn to blank and Burniso2cd to burn a Puppy CD-RW.
Keep us posted. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Oct 2011, 02:02    Post subject:  

I think what nooby was asking, and it needs to be even if he wasn't, when the OP initially burnt the ISO, did they leave it open for multisession, or just click on the defaults and "close the disk" (this is refered to in many ways). It is a fairly common mistake. Either way, I don't really think this is "cutting edge" any more.
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Oct 2011, 07:34    Post subject:  

Thanks technosaurus, you do remember what my body only vaguely knew
was the important stuff to know in the step for step instruction in how to
make a multisession CD/DVD. To not make the easy mistake there!

That is important we have to make Chris 333242 aware of.

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Oct 2011, 08:24    Post subject:  

I think that if the CD had been closed when it was first burned, it would still boot because a new session could not have been added to it. The way I understood it, it did try to save to itself and this somehow messed things up. Either way, that's why I suggested that he blank the CD-RW and reburn it using Burniso2cd. Burniso2cd has never failed to create a proper multisession Puppy CD or DVD for me. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Oct 2011, 08:30    Post subject:  

Flash I surely trust your experience and it will be interesting to see
how it turns out in the end. I have no easy to access burner just now
so I only go on poor memory so I should STFU until I have one to test.

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ganvir

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PostPosted: Sun 20 Nov 2011, 15:04    Post subject: Facing similar issue
Subject description: CD RW not working after saving first setup to CD
 

I have done the same thing. Lucid 528 was burnt to a CD RW using CDburnerXP (session at once).
I was able to boot from the CD. Was pretty happy, when the session data was saved on the CD. But after that, CD will not boot.

I can see the data, but no use. The CD will not boot. If a solution was found, please update.
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PostPosted: Mon 21 Nov 2011, 18:13    Post subject:  

Hi ganvir,

Perhaps the save was corrupted. If when you boot you see a splash screen; press F2 and type " puppy pfix=1" (without the quote marks). That should ignore your last save.

My regards
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Lookinglass360

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PostPosted: Mon 21 Nov 2011, 20:47    Post subject: CD RW wont boot after saving first setup on CD.
Subject description: Same Same
 

Good Day All
I too have experienced cds and dvds burned “Multi-session”
that will not boot on the the same computer they were made on.
They will however work normally “at least for me” on other
machines.
Lupu-528 was the test subject to cd rw (Have tried cd r and
dvd r and rw in the past with other versions) Burned from Lupu-525
with burniso2cd.
So this morning I decided to swap the drive from a box that boots the
disk just fine, the outcome was the same. Cursor flashing on a black
screen and after about 8 sec.moving down 2 or 3 lines.
With no cd/dvd in the drive the cursor move is immediate.
I boot from a live cd or Multipup cd or dvd “Obviously not multi-session (YET)” .

so I have no grub or boot loader or win. installed.

I have 2 HP/Compaq desktops and 2 laptops 1 HP and 1 Gateway
that display this behavior also.
They will all create a Multi-session disk, just not boot it after a save is created.
If there is someone with more understanding of this issue or a possible
work around, please do tell.
I am willing to help as far as my limited ability allows to resolve this
with testing or whatever.
I have had my eye on this for some time, there must be a common
denominator. firmware bios motherboard ??

Multi-Session is one of the neatest tools in the Puppy tool box and
should be brought out of the experimental stage.
I would be happy to post the specs of the 3 other machines I have that
don’t cooperate if it would help, just let me know where.
or I can edit them in here?

The desktop that I have swapped drives in today is an:

Hp Pavilion a465c
Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU
3.00GHz
512 MB/PC3200 ram
American Megatrends Bios revision 3.24
Sony dvd rw dru-840a
100gb ata st3160021a
250gb ata wdc wd2500jb-00g
10 ext3 partitions
2 1gb swaps

Would be nice to see this sorted.

If you have a computer that acts this way with Multi-session
post the specs maybe it will help!

Thanks to All --- Woof-Woof!
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PostPosted: Mon 21 Nov 2011, 21:19    Post subject:  

Hi Lookingglass360 et al,

I have two CD/DVD drives on my desktop. A multi-session CD will only boot in the first drive unless I subsequently close it (so that it is no longer writable) then it will boot from the second drive as well.

If you want to close a multi-session CD (as a test) you could use zigbert's Pburn and if can read the CD add any file(s) (even a tiny file you don't want or need) using the close option.

In my W98SE days I seem to remember reading that a closed CD/DVD should work on any computer.

My regards

PS zigbert commented that it may take a long time to close a DVD.
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Lookinglass360

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PostPosted: Mon 21 Nov 2011, 23:02    Post subject: CD RW wont boot after saving first setup on CD.
Subject description: same same
 

Hi Jasper
Thanks for your interest.
Used a 50k jpg image file, pburn complained " disk is not blank or writable"
so I hit cancel.
It then said scanning please wait, but I had already hit the button to open
the tray.
It promptly closed, when finished it informed me that "cd closed 14mb added"
Well it still did not boot, looking just now to see what was added?
I can't see where anything was added but the disk dose show an increase of that size.
I'll check it on the computer it would boot from and see if that's still the case. I'll let you know what I find.

Got to get some sleep finish this in about 6hr.

Happy trails
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PostPosted: Mon 21 Nov 2011, 23:11    Post subject: Lupu 528 CD-RW wont boot after saving first setup on CD.  

Lookinglass360 wrote:
Good Day All
I too have experienced cds and dvds burned “Multi-session”
that will not boot on the the same computer they were made on.

I assume you mean after the first session is saved.

Quote:
They will however work normally “at least for me” on other
machines.
Lupu-528 was the test subject to cd rw ... Burned from Lupu-525 with burniso2cd.
So this morning I decided to swap the drive from a box that boots the
disk just fine, the outcome was the same. Cursor flashing on a black screen and after about 8 sec.moving down 2 or 3 lines.

Could you describe that with more detail? At what stage in the booting process does this happen? Do you mean Puppy seems to load completely but then, instead of the desktop the cursor appears? What happens if you enter something like "xorgwizard" after the cursor is stable?

I assume you tried booting a multisession Puppy CD or DVD in the machine that now has the drive which was swapped from the machine that wouldn't boot it, and the disk booted ok. That would seem to rule out the drive as the source of the problem. As far as I can see, that leaves the BIOS, but I don't know enough about computer innards to do more than make a guess.

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With no cd/dvd in the drive the cursor move is immediate.
I boot from a live cd or Multipup cd or dvd “Obviously not multi-session (YET)” .

I can't figure out what you're trying to say there. What cursor move do you mean? Is it just before Puppy's desktop appears?

Quote:
I have 2 HP/Compaq desktops and 2 laptops 1 HP and 1 Gateway that display this behavior also.
They will all create a Multi-session disk, just not boot it after a save is created.

Which versions of Puppy have you tried?

Quote:
Multi-Session is one of the neatest tools in the Puppy tool box and should be brought out of the experimental stage.

I couldn't agree more. Smile
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PostPosted: Sat 24 Mar 2012, 14:07    Post subject:  

Is this solved now. I need to learn how to deal with it and fail to get the thread.

Did it get solved?

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Mar 2012, 21:11    Post subject:  

Evidently Lookinglass lost interest about six months ago. So no, whatever his problem was is not solved. Confused
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Lookinglass360

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Mar 2012, 22:21    Post subject: Post subject:  

Wow I lost track of this post in November!
No I haven’t lost interest just been short on time!

I am no whiz but if I can help to solve this I will certainly
put some effort into it as time allows!

Thanks for the wake up call!

Good Day to all!
Murga forum is down so I’ll try to go from memory.

Jasper: Using pburn to try and close the disk as you suggested dose not seem to have worked and I could not find the jpg file using pfind but 14mb
have been added to the disk. Oh ya it took 5 sec. longer for the cursor to
move. I have no idea if that means anything or not.
Tried the disk in a computer I knew this disk to work
with, and it still booted and functioned as it should.
I added an jpg image to /usr/share/backgrounds and it had been saved
to disk after re boot.

Flash: Yes I did mean that the multi-session disk would not boot at all
after the first save on the same pc. No happy puppy face, no boot menu.
Also taped the f-2 repeatedly after the American Megatrends info
screen, only to see it go strait to a black screen with no message
just flashing cursor.

Another thing I have done is blank this same disk with pburn 3.3.4
then re burn with burniso2cd at speed 4 and then 18 with the same result.
I normally burn at speed 8 without any problems
It is as you said no, “ it is going to require someone with a great deal of
understanding of multi-session code and computer hardware.
Even if some commonality is found it seems likely that such persons
would also need to have a few of these computers in their possession
before they could make any meaningful assessments.
For now it would seem that collecting hardware info from people who
have run into this issue to see if a pattern emerges.
Thanks Guys.......off to work I go

Edit: Thursday 24, Forum still down.
This is cd-info from the hp Pavilion a465c
# cd-info
cd-info version 0.81 i486-pc-linux-gnu
Copyright (c) 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2008 R. Bernstein
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.
There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A
PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
CD location : /dev/cdrom
CD driver name: GNU/Linux
access mode: ioctl

Vendor : SONY
Model : DVD RW DRU-840A
Revision : SS01
Hardware : CD-ROM or DVD
Can eject : Yes
Can close tray : Yes
Can disable manual eject : Yes
Can select juke-box disc : No

Can set drive speed : No
Can read multiple sessions (e.g. PhotoCD) : Yes
Can hard reset device : Yes

Reading....
Can read Mode 2 Form 1 : Yes
Can read Mode 2 Form 2 : Yes
Can read (S)VCD (i.e. Mode 2 Form 1/2) : Yes
Can read C2 Errors : Yes
Can read IRSC : Yes
Can read Media Channel Number (or UPC) : Yes
Can play audio : Yes
Can read CD-DA : Yes
Can read CD-R : Yes
Can read CD-RW : Yes
Can read DVD-ROM : Yes

Writing....
Can write CD-RW : Yes
Can write DVD-R : Yes
Can write DVD-RAM : Yes
Can write DVD-RW : No
Can write DVD+RW : No
__________________________________

Disc mode is listed as: CD-DATA (Mode 1)
CD-ROM Track List (1 - 3)
#: MSF LSN Type Green? Copy?
1: 00:02:00 000000 data false no
2: 17:29:57 078582 data false no
3: 27:50:44 125144 data false no
170: 28:19:64 127339 leadout (285 MB raw, 248 MB formatted)
Media Catalog Number (MCN): 0000000000000
Last CD Session LSN: 125144
__________________________________
CD Analysis Report
CD-ROM with ISO 9660 filesystem
ISO 9660: 67030 blocks, label ‘lupu_528 ‘
Application: GENISOIMAGE ISO 9660/HFS FILESYSTEM CREATOR (C) 1993 E.YOUNGDALE (C) 1997-2006 J.PEARSON/J.SCHILLING (C) 2006-2007 CDRKIT TEAM
Preparer :
Publisher :
System : LINUX
Volume : lupu_528
Volume Set :
bootable CD
session #2 starts at track 2, LSN: 78582, ISO 9660 blocks: 39510
ISO 9660: 39510 blocks, label ‘CDROM ‘
session #3 starts at track 3, LSN: 125144, ISO 9660 blocks: 2043
ISO 9660: 2043 blocks, label ‘CDROM ‘
#

If you know of something I can do to help narrow this down just ask!

Thank You!
Lookinglass360: AKA as Bob
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