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auction for raspi

#106 Post by don570 »

Auction over for Beta number seven. It will
be donated to a museum. Nearly one thousand pounds.

http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/503#comments

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#107 Post by Lobster »

Manufacturing has begun
First boards for sale Jan 2012 8)
http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/509

Some exciting Puppy projects to support RPi:

Hardware
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PARM

Puppy School - for big kids everywhere
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PuppySchool

. . . so excited I nearly dropped my sardine . . . :lol:
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lxde working

#108 Post by don570 »

A guy has a video of lxde working on Raspi.
I think he's Russian. Why is there so much interest
in Russia??


http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/genera ... -into-lxde

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#109 Post by Lobster »

Why is there so much interest in Russia?
8)
The first Linux I seriously tried to move to as my main OS was the Debian fork known as Knoppix. Hidden in there was a demo done by Russian guys who were using hercules display cards and monitors (which could not do graphics) to do graphics, using ascii text.
Only a geek would appreciate it - and I did.
http://youtu.be/-cs303ToBY8

The scene is set

Sadly my first post with a link to PARM etc was deleted and moved as Puppy is not yet running on RPI
Anyway I created the thread despite it being attributed to Liz
http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projec ... eral/puppy
. . . it now sounds as if Puppy is being described as brilliant (which is an understatement) :)

Yes we were promised alpha boards. They did not materialize.
Remember we are using Rpi for Puppy's convenience (a common starting point for developers and testers) not to promote what is the first of small cheap computers using ARM (major push this year for cheaper smartphones). Those computers (ARM powered phones), netbooks and tablets exist but we have no common platform, accessibility etc.

Puppy ARM coming in 2012
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#110 Post by nooby »

Quote from their FAQ
What Linux distros will be supported at launch?
Debian, Fedora and ArchLinux will be supported from the start.
Can I trust that Debian is most close to Puppy?
I mean we still have no Fedora puppy nor any Arch Puppy?

But as I get it they say they sell the SD card with Debian
preloaded.

But in the forum they say one can do such loading oneself
to a SD card one already own.

Another thing to consider. A powered hub would allow
that one use external hdd and keyboard and mouse.

But if the RPi draw 1 Watt that is about 3Volt and 330 mA
and if you add the power for all the other gadgets.

I mean I am not used to buy Hubs Which one will be the best or among the best to use?
I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
not an ideal solution though

aarf

#111 Post by aarf »

Intel atom is coming to phones so it will be a race. The mountain coming to puppy or puppy going to the mountain. On current form my bet is on the mountain winning:)) link http://www.nationmultimedia.com/technol ... 73734.html while you are there also see the new hybrid seagate ssd-harddrive story.

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#112 Post by Dave_G »

Very interesting, and since the Intel Atom processor (Z2460 platform)
is X86 based, no or very little need for porting to ARM.

Like aarf said, the race is on, ARM vs X86.
My money is on Intel.

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#113 Post by nooby »

ooooh I feel so lazy :)
the Intel Atom processor (Z2460 platform)
Does that one draw only one watt too?
The very cool thing about RPi is that one don't need any fan!
It will be dead silent!

They don't say any watt here do they?
http://www.techradar.com/news/computing ... m--1053718
maybe here? http://download.intel.com/newsroom/kits ... rZ2460.pdf
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#114 Post by Dave_G »

@nooby

I'm sure that since the new Intel CPU is aimed at portable devices such as
phones, there will be no fan.
Already it's bigger cousin the Intel Atom D410 aimed at notebooks is fanless.
It's also used on small form factor desktop motherboards such as the D410PT.
They run at 1.6GHz and are fanless.

As regards power consumption:
From ( http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2012/2012 ... unced.html )
The charts at AnandTech indicate that Atom Z2460 is faster than 5
other devices previously tested when running Sunspsider Javascript
Benchmark 0.9.1 or BrowserMark.
3D benchmark tests showed that the 400 MHz GPU clock gives a higher
score than other comparable devices. Power consumption in standby and
when browsing is lower than Apple iPhone 4S and Samsung Galaxy S II.
Idling, power consumption is claimed to be as low as 18 mW, increasing
to 700mW when talking and 1W when browsing. 720p video playback
uses around 850mW.

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#115 Post by nooby »

Dave then Intel have a winner? I mean so much code that
already know how to get things going on the x86 or what
the name is.

But still it is a good thing to have choice so we should
encourage that Puppy can run ARM devices if needed.

I feel very much for buying a Raspberry Pi when I have a
chance to do it.

Now I only need to find which USB Hub that would give me
best performance for my money.
I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
not an ideal solution though

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#116 Post by Dave_G »

nooby wrote:

Now I only need to find which USB Hub that would give me
best performance for my money.
I assume you referring to using it for the mouse and keyboard.
If so, then any one would do as both of these devices are low speed USB.
I feel very much for buying a Raspberry Pi when I have a
chance to do it.
So will I, simply because it serves a good cause and it's novelty value.

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#117 Post by Jactek »

@ Lobster
WOW Knoppix was the first live Linux cd I tryed I was also really impressed with BB and the ascii graphics

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#118 Post by Lobster »

Rpi inspired me to start Puppy School
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PuppySchoolProgramming
but my real project will be to create the second Cross Dimensional Communicator using Quantum tunneling
http://tmxxine.tumblr.com/quantumbiology

Good Luck for all Future Projects :-)

I rather like the 3D rotating Rpi logo - see their home page
we have Blender and POV Ray and a few others
. . . we need something like this for our Art dept (just started as part of PuppySchool) credibility . . .
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PuppySchoolArt
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Problems with displaying Opengl.

#119 Post by don570 »

Problems with displaying Opengl.

A programmer has been trying to get Opengl to
work on the raspi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JOh3k5_ ... ature=plcp

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#120 Post by technosaurus »

he should do tinygl first - it works on pretty much anything
Check out my [url=https://github.com/technosaurus]github repositories[/url]. I may eventually get around to updating my [url=http://bashismal.blogspot.com]blogspot[/url].

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#121 Post by don570 »

I was able to get Opengl to work on
an old Apple Power Mac 7300 which used 1mb vRam as a Framebuffer.
There was no such thing as graphics cards in the good old days. :lol:

It was very slow of course but it worked!!

http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/p ... 0_200.html

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#122 Post by don570 »

Instead of calling it the Raspberry Pi computer or Raspi
why not call it the Raspberry Puppy.

Image


I have a wallpaper available.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=73506

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#123 Post by sickgut »

Dave_G wrote:Very interesting, and since the Intel Atom processor (Z2460 platform)
is X86 based, no or very little need for porting to ARM.

Like aarf said, the race is on, ARM vs X86.
My money is on Intel.
Problem is heat with intel cpus for small devices but larger tablets its no problem... The thing is that ARM cpus use less power than Intel based cpus at the equivelent speed, about 60% or so less. it has been said that if a modern PC's cpu was replaced by 60 ARMs or whatever to get the same speed, then it would use less power but the issue there is inefficiency in the software to use the cpus properly. I dont know if here they where referring to 60 arm cores in one cpu or 60 separate arm cpus but the power efficiency thing is the main ARM draw card also no need for sophisticated cooling.

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#124 Post by sickgut »

Jactek wrote:@ Lobster
WOW Knoppix was the first live Linux cd I tryed I was also really impressed with BB and the ascii graphics
the bb demo uses the AA library to render graphics and greyscale ASCII art.. the new coloured version of AA is libcaca, most puppies have this, you can play your videos in coloured ascii with mplayer:

mplayer -vo libcaca moviename.mp4

Im mentioning this because this is the kind of thing that the low performance Rasp Pi could be used for. There is a #libcaca on freenode the same irc server the #puppylinux support channel is on, just type /join #libcaca next time your visiting the support channel, the guy who actually made it is logged in and will help you get started.

The Rasp Pi will also be a good base for old school efficient music formats like .mod.. there are still large active communities that make these and 100's of thousands of songs to download mostly all original compositions. Incidently the previously mentioned BB demo uses .mod music as its sou nd track. A commonly used and still maintained .mod creator or "tracker" as they call it is Milkytracker and this is available from the packages.debian.org repos, need very little to get going on other OSes.

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#125 Post by Lobster »

Glad you are still with us Sickgut :)
Raspberry meets Puppy Power
and still awaiting boards ;)
We can certainly Lobby (one of my disgraced uncles incidentally) the
Pi team to make Puppy the shipping Linux for when they go
education mainstream.
First we have to show we are the best dog in show.

1. On ARM (not yet available) . . .
2. Smaller, faster more efficient (inevitable)
3. Safe for use by teachers (children are more robust and savvy)

Prisoner: Who are you?
Two: The new Number Two.
Prisoner: Who is Number One?
Two: You are Number Six.
Prisoner: I am not a number; I am a free puppy!

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