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L18L
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 Posted: Tue 13 Dec 2011, 15:29 Post subject:
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Dutch people appear to have trained the bot better than the Germans 
Crying HELP is ignored
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| ferro10n (me) wrote: | | I think I'm ready to learn how to make the scripts translatable myself |
OK, I spoke too soon 
I think I'll just keep testing until I get some experience
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Bert
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| Posted: Sun 18 Dec 2011, 16:46 Post subject:
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| L18L wrote: | Dutch people appear to have trained the bot better than the Germans
Crying HELP is ignored |
Did I hear the word "Dutch"? 
Don't worry, the automated dutch translation is horrible.
Imagine a spoiled son of a rich lawyer, with lots of whisky and some royal blood running through his veins, who is about to spend the last bits of the family fortune on 'Wein, Weib und Gesang', trying to get up from his chair at the bar, with the intention to deliver an unforgettable speech..that's more or less how the G-translation sounds 
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| Posted: Sun 18 Dec 2011, 19:49 Post subject:
Re: automated translation |
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| Bert wrote: | | L18L wrote: | Dutch people appear to have trained the bot better than the Germans
Crying HELP is ignored |
Did I hear the word "Dutch"?
Don't worry, the automated dutch translation is horrible.
Imagine a spoiled son of a rich lawyer, with lots of whisky and some royal blood running through his veins, who is about to spend the last bits of the family fortune on 'Wein, Weib und Gesang', trying to get up from his chair at the bar, with the intention to deliver an unforgettable speech..that's more or less how the G-translation sounds |
Sounds great, maybe we can translate it back to English for en_US.
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L18L
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| Posted: Sat 31 Dec 2011, 10:51 Post subject:
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t12s version 0.4.6
After a time of being not connected to internet I have added automated translation now.
Note, I was a bit lazy converting, tested just ru ar el iw
line 376 ff:
| Code: | # convert file to=utf-8
case ${x} in
de|fr|it|pt|nl|da|sv|no|fi) fromCHAR=ISO8859-1;;
ru) fromCHAR=KOI-8;;
ar) fromCHAR=ISO8859-6;;
el) fromCHAR=ISO8859-7;;
iw) fromCHAR=ISO8859-8;;
*) fromCHAR=ISO8859-16;;
esac
iconv -f $fromCHAR -t UTF-8 < ${T}/${x}/${app} >${T}/${x}/${app}_utf8
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Translated names of variables should be restored now.
Messages which have more than 1 variable are excluded.
Happy New Year
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L18L
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Posted: Wed 04 Jan 2012, 06:17 Post subject:
Re: automated translation
Subject description: translation from languages other than English |
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| technosaurus wrote: | | Bert wrote: | | L18L wrote: | Dutch people appear to have trained the bot better than the Germans
Crying HELP is ignored |
Did I hear the word "Dutch"?
Don't worry, the automated dutch translation is horrible.
Imagine a spoiled son of a rich lawyer, with lots of whisky and some royal blood running through his veins, who is about to spend the last bits of the family fortune on 'Wein, Weib und Gesang', trying to get up from his chair at the bar, with the intention to deliver an unforgettable speech..that's more or less how the G-translation sounds |
Sounds great, maybe we can translate it back to English for en_US. |
Automated translations from other languages are possible in version 0.5 now.
See example nl to en_US 
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Hello,
En français et traduit en anglais par google traduction.
In French and translated by google translation.
Essais avec une base lupu 5.28 francisée et customiser en asriedu300profs_20111002 par ASRI.
Après avoir lu vos différents messages, cliqué sur différents lien URL que vous mentionner, je suis un perdu:
Tests with a base and customize lupu 5.28 Frenchified in asriedu300profs_20111002 by ASRI.
After reading your various posts, click different URL that you mention, I'm lost:- a comprendre son utilisation et la différence avec gettext du point de vue de celui qui va traduire
to understand its use and the difference with gettext the point of view of one who will bring
- ou il sauvegarde le fichier de langue qu'il crée, car sur cet capture d'image il n'y a pas de bouton d'enregistrement
and it saves the language file it creates, because of this image capture, it no record button 
Pour l'instant, je préfère l'utilisation de gettext comme:
For now, I prefer to use gettext as: | shinobar Post subject: Is it easier? wrote: |
Subject description: i think gettext is more simple and easy.
As a conclusion, i do not think it is easier than using gettext.
gettext '.po' file can be edited by text editors. The original message is associated on the 'po' file.
But using the smert tools like poedit is more easier. |
Voici les quelques points qui me pose quelque problème:
Here are some points that I have some problems:
| Quote: | L18L PostPosted: 15 Nov 2011 11:32
To test the script completely you must do this as fido or spot.
I have run it in a real console (CTRL-ALT-F2, switch back to X by CTRL-ALT-F4):
login as root, then
su fido
pmount
This will ask for administrator's password using your translation. |
- les mots mentionné ne fonctionne pas chez moi
the words mentioned does not work for me
- la fonction "CTRL-ALT-F2" est elle obligatoire
function "CTRL-ALT-F2" is obligatory
- si oui pourriez vous fournir le nom d'utilisateur et le mot de passe
If so could you provide the username and password
Concernant les lignes a ajouté en tête du script, on trouve différentes version y compris dans le script t12s, quel est la bonne version
On the lines added at the top of the script, there are different versions including the script t12s, what is good version
| L18 http://extra-inter.net/puppy/t12s_DOC/t12s.html wrote: |
Preparation (Developers only)
Copy the following code into first lines of your script:
app=`basename $0`
T=/usr/share/locales # TEXTDOMAINDIR
# a one-liner to find existing translation file LOCALES allowing 'dialects'
[ ! -f ${T}/${LANG%.*}/${app} ] && LOCALES=${T}/${LANG%_*}/${app} || LOCALES=${T}/${LANG%.*}/${app}
[ -f $LOCALES ] && . $LOCALES # (re)load translation file (when using variables) |
| L18L for example: askpass wrote: | #111112 i18n by L18L using Technosaurus' method <smile>
# /dev/console: write permission for users required !!!
LANGPATH=/usr/share/locale/${LANG%_*}/askpass
[ -f $LANGPATH ] && . $LANGPATH
PSALL="`ps`"
CALLEDAPP="`echo "$PSALL" | grep -o ' sudo \-A .*' | tr -s ' ' | cut -f 4 -d ' '`"
if [ "$CALLEDAPP" ];then
INSERTMSG=" <text><label>${_M_1:-This application wants to run:}</label></text> |
| L18L nother script /usr/sbin/alsawizard prepared translated and tested in 1 hour. Here it is: wrote: | #111116 i18n using _ M _ method L18L
# note, simple quote (') inside message is not allowed, used (´) instead
OUTPUT_CHARSET=UTF-8
export OUTPUT_CHARSET
TEXTDOMAINDIR=/usr/share/locale
TEXTDOMAIN=`basename $0`
LANGPATH=${TEXTDOMAINDIR}/${LANG%.*}/$TEXTDOMAIN
[ ! -f $LANGPATH ] && LANGPATH=${TEXTDOMAINDIR}/${LANG%_*}/$TEXTDOMAIN
[ -f $LANGPATH ] && . $LANGPATH
# |
| script t12s wrote: | RESTART=$0
myfile=$1
OUTPUT_CHARSET=UTF-8 # needed?
T=/usr/share/locales # TEXTDOMAINDIR
title="t12s -v $version "
[ "`whoami`" != "root" ] && exec sudo -A ${0} ${@} # write to TEXTDOMAINDIR
delim='`' # delimiter for sed, no backtick in messages ! |
On regrette que le script na pas été internationalisé 
We regret that the script has not been internationalized
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Posted: Tue 31 Jan 2012, 08:30 Post subject:
 Why t12s was not translated using... t12s?
Subject description: ... This would have been the best example! |
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Hello,
| Quote: | | We regret that the script has not been internationalized |
This would be indeed a very good example of what t12s, funny thing, cannot (yet) properly do!
I tried to do it but didn't succeed! I noticed that _M_ was identified as the beginning of chains to be translated, making t12s to be mistaken and generate corrupted tmp file...
Then, text using markup (<span></span>) seems causing problem too or at least, really complicate work if translator has to split text chains to turn it round. (As far as I know, this doesn't happen using gettext?).
Examples:
| Code: | | [ "`grep _M_ $myfile`" ] && break |
| Code: | | <span color='red'>_M_</span> |
I guess I actually don't see benefits translators can get from this way to internationalize applications compared to gettext and poeditor (or even the simpliest way I ever encountered: I mean the 'simple' script based on MU written by shinobar).
Cordialement.
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Post scriptum:
May I suggest latest release(s) of t12s to be downloadable from the first (updated!) post of this thread?
Cordialement.
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Posted: Sun 05 Feb 2012, 08:46 Post subject:
Is the t12s easier than gettext?
Subject description: i cannot see what is the problem in 'gettext' and what is the issue the 't12s' intends to improve. |
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I have posted on the Barry's BLOG on the t12s system.
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02673
| technosaurus wrote: | | flat text files are more accessible to edit |
The .po files are flat text files and the translators can post .po files using editors, but using poeditor or something is easier i guess.
T12s flat text files can be edited by using editors, but using t12s editor is better.
I cannot find any difference between the gettext and the t12s.
The point is which is familiar with the gettext or the t12s.
Anyway, the gettext is essential for Puppy applications and the t12s is not.
I have already pointed out no meaning of the running time. I cannot find any applications slowed by the gettext messaging.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=599234#599234
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| Posted: Tue 07 Feb 2012, 15:37 Post subject:
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Hello vezuve,
sorry for this late reply I will try to answer your questions.
| vezuve wrote: | - a comprendre son utilisation et la différence avec gettext du point de vue de celui qui va traduire
to understand its use and the difference with gettext the point of view of one who will bring
- ou il sauvegarde le fichier de langue qu'il crée, car sur cet capture d'image il n'y a pas de bouton d'enregistrement
and it saves the language file it creates, because of this image capture, it no record button
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a Difference to gettext: all-in-one script, faster in execution
b /usr/share/locales/language/script
| vezuve wrote: |
[list=1][*] | Quote: | L18L PostPosted: 15 Nov 2011 11:32
To test the script completely you must do this as fido or spot.
I have run it in a real console (CTRL-ALT-F2, switch back to X by CTRL-ALT-F4):
login as root, then
su fido
pmount
This will ask for administrator's password using your translation. |
- les mots mentionné ne fonctionne pas chez moi
the words mentioned does not work for me
- la fonction "CTRL-ALT-F2" est elle obligatoire
function "CTRL-ALT-F2" is obligatory
- si oui pourriez vous fournir le nom d'utilisateur et le mot de passe
If so could you provide the username and password
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The script askpass asks for root´s password if you are not root.
| vezuve wrote: | [*]Concernant les lignes a ajouté en tête du script, on trouve différentes version y compris dans le script t12s, quel est la bonne version
On the lines added at the top of the script, there are different versions including the script t12s, what is good version |
0.4.5.1 is in woof now.
| vezuve wrote: |
On regrette que le script na pas été internationalisé
We regret that the script has not been internationalized
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Je ne regrette rien
The translator really should understand English, shouldn´t she?
Thanks for your feedback
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| Posted: Tue 07 Feb 2012, 16:10 Post subject:
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I was translating xdelta_gui from woof using t12s today and there were strange repetitions of strings which were very confusing and it was hard to understand which line to translate.
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L18L
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Posted: Tue 07 Feb 2012, 16:16 Post subject:
Re: Why t12s was not translated using... t12s?
Subject description: ... This would have been the best example! |
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| Argolance wrote: | Hello,
| Quote: | | We regret that the script has not been internationalized |
This would be indeed a very good example of what t12s, funny thing, cannot (yet) properly do!
I tried to do it but didn't succeed! I noticed that _M_ was identified as the beginning of chains to be translated, making t12s to be mistaken and generate corrupted tmp file...
Then, text using markup (<span></span>) seems causing problem too or at least, really complicate work if translator has to split text chains to turn it round. (As far as I know, this doesn't happen using gettext?).
Examples:
| Code: | | [ "`grep _M_ $myfile`" ] && break |
| Code: | | <span color='red'>_M_</span> |
I guess I actually don't see benefits translators can get from this way to internationalize applications compared to gettext and poeditor (or even the simpliest way I ever encountered: I mean the 'simple' script based on MU written by shinobar).
Cordialement. |
It was never intended to internationalize t12s thus it does not work.
You have tried it?
If I try to run it I get a messages starting with
Sorry, could not....
Goal was not benefits for translators but speed of execution. Remember?
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L18L
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| Posted: Tue 07 Feb 2012, 16:29 Post subject:
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| rodin.s wrote: | | I was translating xdelta_gui from woof using t12s today and there were strange repetitions of strings which were very confusing and it was hard to understand which line to translate. |
could you try version 0.5 (some posts back) please?
| Code: | | t12s /usr/sbin/xdelta_gui |
thanks for feedback 
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| Posted: Tue 07 Feb 2012, 16:49 Post subject:
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Same with version 0.5. Here is my translation. You can try it by yourself. It has something to do with UTF-8. Console messages were interesting.
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