I am here to stay
Posted: Thu 12 Jan 2012, 09:14
Sup Dawgs?
Update: 10/10/2012
I apologize for the general negative posts I have done frequently over the last 9 months to a year. The problem was me, personal problems and when your not in your right mind, a small pebble on the road seems like a snow capped mountain. In my quest to improve Puppy maybe i did it in the wrong way. Apologies to the major Puppy devs, i know you are always doing your best. Puppy is basicly perfect except the difficulty of installing packages that arent in the puppy repos and i saw this problem as something i could fix. However in my ranting i did not intend to offend the creators of Puppy. My holy grail is to give Puppy the same standard of compatibility as Ubuntu and Debian and this may not actually happen but i will try my hardest anyway.
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Update: Pussy is now something separate from Puppy and i am spending all my time on Pussy and will no longer be doing puppy linux things. Im leaving the world of Puppy but im not going very far as its been made clear to me that Pussy is still welcome on the murga-linux forum. I thought that not being Puppy related it was rude of me to continue on a Puppy forum but apparently its not an issue at all. Thanks to John Murga and the forum, Pussy's home is still here.
I want to make one thing clear i am not irate and im not feuding or having a hissy fit, this comes down to a question of time.
As most of the dev community here know its been my mission to strengthen what i see as Puppy's only weakness: package management.
This lead to me creating a mod for Puppy 5 that uses the apt-get system from ubuntu/ debian to get packages, altho useful for games and smaller packages that dont rely on any kernel specific stuff this package can completely ruin your Puppy and result in a non booting system. Simply put, puppy isnt debain or ubuntu, there are scripts that are specific to puppy that get over written by other distros scripts and Puppy runs such a stripped kernel that it breaks compatibility with even simple things that it seems every other distro can use. After this flop i decided on 2 ways to go, develop a OS that used a major distros base and package management (debian, apt-get) and then proceed to make it as Puppy like as possible, or develop a universal package manager that i would call "Shoehorn" that manages packages and deps statically. It seems i never got to develop "Shoehorn" because the first idea worked, and that is the OS now named Pussy:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=69475
http://www.thepussycatforest.info
This has been what i would call a success but the purpose of me making this distro was to show puppy devs that they can have package management that is as good as other distros while maintaining the speed, size, efficiency of Puppy all the while keeping a standard unstripped kernel. I would have thought this a good thing because due to being compatible with the 20,000+ packages in the debian repos (100% compatibility, can install anything with no issues at all) this would free up the devs to actually work on Puppy, not spend the rest of their lives compiling a new repo of software for every new version of Puppy that comes out.
Simply put, i havent had so much as a nod from the Puppy dev community regarding package management and Pussy. Comments like: "If you going to use debian, then use debian" equally apply to Puppy: "If your gonna use Puppy then use Puppy". Ofcause im flamed for Pussy not being puppylike enough, but from day one i was asking the help of puppy devs to MAKE pussy more puppylike. This hasnt happend but Pussy has become popular on its own. I have been deliberately holding Pussy back, waiting for input from Puppy devs, hoping that Pussy wouldnt become popular on its own but that the ideas from it could be applied to a new puppy or this pussy could be turned into something more Puppy like.
There is only 1 reason that Puppy is #9 on distrowatch and not #1, and that is its hard to install software onto puppy that isnt immediately available in the Puppy repos. IF Puppy was able to install 20,000+ packages at the drop of a hat with no dependency hunting and problem solving then Barry would not only be one of the most recognizable celebrities in the world but there would be a another few hundred thousand people using Puppy within a few months.
I simply cannot help the community here anymore, ive tried my hardest and now there is such an obvious flaw in Puppy that no Puppy devs wants to address that i cant be of any use. I actually regret making this demo of Pussy now because i get the feeling from everyone that if i had not done it then the main puppy devs would have done something similar, but now ive done it and its known as Pussy and puppy devs want to be known for doing their own ideas, this entire subject is being avoided i think there is an element of ego here. so to the puppy devs that are concerned with who gets the credit just use the idea and not mention me at all, please. I personally am retired due to sickness and want an uncomplicated life and i do not seek any financial benefit in the long run as i have a pension (any financial gain interferes with the pension, why would i do that?) and i really could do without the attention. This is all about helping other people and computers is about the only thing i can practically help people with in my life and i want to do that best i can.
Puppy cannot become any more popular that it already is unless the package management issue is fixed, and because of this and believing this very strongly, im abandoning Puppy, i cant help a dog that wont help itself. I only see the big picture and im sorry but Puppy will be left behind unless it changes. I read once on Barry's site that Puppy is a set of applications that have been wisely and carefully selected to run efficiently wile providing a good amount of functionality. Or something similar to that dont know exact words. He wasnt saying here that Puppy is any OS that uses the Puppy kernel.
Its been more than 6 months since Pussies release and call to the puppy dev world to get on board, now the ship has left. Pussy has become popular to the point of requiring multiple servers to host it, takes a significant portion of my time to support and is a drain on this forum due to it being one of the most popular threads that isnt actually a puppy.
Pussy will develop on its own now apart from Puppy. From now on ill be at the #pussylinux irc chat channel on freenode as its rude of me to hang out on #puppylinux, as the conversation usually turns to pussy users talking about Pussy. Pussy will be moving forums shortly and will have a spot on distrowatch that i will pay for. Its all come to the point now that i can only support one or the other and i see Pussy as the superior OS. I am not going to apollogize for Pussy's sucesss or from this point on being in competition with Puppy, 6 months is pleanty of time for Pussy to be intergrated into the Puppy lineup but not only has there been no interest im Pussy's way of solving the package management issue, im treated like a complete asshole by a select number of devs for even taking the effort to show them even tho they havent taken the time to look at it.
a new forum will be started soon, in the meantime until that is actually sorted, murga will remain the home of the pussy thread and puppylinux.info has a secondary thread. Ill update this post with info regarding forums etc. If this forum wants pussies home to be here then thats cool, it can be. If not then thats ok i completely understand. Ill update this post and let everyone know whats happening regarding the forum situation.
I bear no ill will to anyone here and there have been people in the community that have turned me from a Linux newbie to a pro. This is the #puppylinux support channel, its the best thing to have on your screen when you use Puppy. The info i learned on that channel has been a very major influence on my entire life. Alot of people there dont seem to realize just how awesome their skills are, and they are way above any RHCE or other linux qualification.Consider: those of you who have compiled your own linux do not need lessons to learn about how linux works! I know some real life linux techs, seriously they would not be able to even understand what your even saying on the channel, and i am saying this to all the regular puppy devs there. Puppy is very difficult to dev on, and this has turned you all in to extremely skillful people. If any of you actually had a conversation with a recruiter from pretty much any major firm and you where able to show them what it is you do for alot of your day, you can seriously get a job anywhere. i am meaning what im saying here. And just know that i personally am a product of what you guys have created lol.
Anyway ill see all you guys around, i bear no ill will, i just have not enough time to do pussy and puppy so ive had to drop one.
ok later ppl.
sickgut@gmail.com
edit: ive sent a message to john murga but it is in the "outbox" does that mean its been sent, will be sent or tried but failed?
Update: 10/10/2012
I apologize for the general negative posts I have done frequently over the last 9 months to a year. The problem was me, personal problems and when your not in your right mind, a small pebble on the road seems like a snow capped mountain. In my quest to improve Puppy maybe i did it in the wrong way. Apologies to the major Puppy devs, i know you are always doing your best. Puppy is basicly perfect except the difficulty of installing packages that arent in the puppy repos and i saw this problem as something i could fix. However in my ranting i did not intend to offend the creators of Puppy. My holy grail is to give Puppy the same standard of compatibility as Ubuntu and Debian and this may not actually happen but i will try my hardest anyway.
_____________________________________________________________
Update: Pussy is now something separate from Puppy and i am spending all my time on Pussy and will no longer be doing puppy linux things. Im leaving the world of Puppy but im not going very far as its been made clear to me that Pussy is still welcome on the murga-linux forum. I thought that not being Puppy related it was rude of me to continue on a Puppy forum but apparently its not an issue at all. Thanks to John Murga and the forum, Pussy's home is still here.
I want to make one thing clear i am not irate and im not feuding or having a hissy fit, this comes down to a question of time.
As most of the dev community here know its been my mission to strengthen what i see as Puppy's only weakness: package management.
This lead to me creating a mod for Puppy 5 that uses the apt-get system from ubuntu/ debian to get packages, altho useful for games and smaller packages that dont rely on any kernel specific stuff this package can completely ruin your Puppy and result in a non booting system. Simply put, puppy isnt debain or ubuntu, there are scripts that are specific to puppy that get over written by other distros scripts and Puppy runs such a stripped kernel that it breaks compatibility with even simple things that it seems every other distro can use. After this flop i decided on 2 ways to go, develop a OS that used a major distros base and package management (debian, apt-get) and then proceed to make it as Puppy like as possible, or develop a universal package manager that i would call "Shoehorn" that manages packages and deps statically. It seems i never got to develop "Shoehorn" because the first idea worked, and that is the OS now named Pussy:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=69475
http://www.thepussycatforest.info
This has been what i would call a success but the purpose of me making this distro was to show puppy devs that they can have package management that is as good as other distros while maintaining the speed, size, efficiency of Puppy all the while keeping a standard unstripped kernel. I would have thought this a good thing because due to being compatible with the 20,000+ packages in the debian repos (100% compatibility, can install anything with no issues at all) this would free up the devs to actually work on Puppy, not spend the rest of their lives compiling a new repo of software for every new version of Puppy that comes out.
Simply put, i havent had so much as a nod from the Puppy dev community regarding package management and Pussy. Comments like: "If you going to use debian, then use debian" equally apply to Puppy: "If your gonna use Puppy then use Puppy". Ofcause im flamed for Pussy not being puppylike enough, but from day one i was asking the help of puppy devs to MAKE pussy more puppylike. This hasnt happend but Pussy has become popular on its own. I have been deliberately holding Pussy back, waiting for input from Puppy devs, hoping that Pussy wouldnt become popular on its own but that the ideas from it could be applied to a new puppy or this pussy could be turned into something more Puppy like.
There is only 1 reason that Puppy is #9 on distrowatch and not #1, and that is its hard to install software onto puppy that isnt immediately available in the Puppy repos. IF Puppy was able to install 20,000+ packages at the drop of a hat with no dependency hunting and problem solving then Barry would not only be one of the most recognizable celebrities in the world but there would be a another few hundred thousand people using Puppy within a few months.
I simply cannot help the community here anymore, ive tried my hardest and now there is such an obvious flaw in Puppy that no Puppy devs wants to address that i cant be of any use. I actually regret making this demo of Pussy now because i get the feeling from everyone that if i had not done it then the main puppy devs would have done something similar, but now ive done it and its known as Pussy and puppy devs want to be known for doing their own ideas, this entire subject is being avoided i think there is an element of ego here. so to the puppy devs that are concerned with who gets the credit just use the idea and not mention me at all, please. I personally am retired due to sickness and want an uncomplicated life and i do not seek any financial benefit in the long run as i have a pension (any financial gain interferes with the pension, why would i do that?) and i really could do without the attention. This is all about helping other people and computers is about the only thing i can practically help people with in my life and i want to do that best i can.
Puppy cannot become any more popular that it already is unless the package management issue is fixed, and because of this and believing this very strongly, im abandoning Puppy, i cant help a dog that wont help itself. I only see the big picture and im sorry but Puppy will be left behind unless it changes. I read once on Barry's site that Puppy is a set of applications that have been wisely and carefully selected to run efficiently wile providing a good amount of functionality. Or something similar to that dont know exact words. He wasnt saying here that Puppy is any OS that uses the Puppy kernel.
Its been more than 6 months since Pussies release and call to the puppy dev world to get on board, now the ship has left. Pussy has become popular to the point of requiring multiple servers to host it, takes a significant portion of my time to support and is a drain on this forum due to it being one of the most popular threads that isnt actually a puppy.
Pussy will develop on its own now apart from Puppy. From now on ill be at the #pussylinux irc chat channel on freenode as its rude of me to hang out on #puppylinux, as the conversation usually turns to pussy users talking about Pussy. Pussy will be moving forums shortly and will have a spot on distrowatch that i will pay for. Its all come to the point now that i can only support one or the other and i see Pussy as the superior OS. I am not going to apollogize for Pussy's sucesss or from this point on being in competition with Puppy, 6 months is pleanty of time for Pussy to be intergrated into the Puppy lineup but not only has there been no interest im Pussy's way of solving the package management issue, im treated like a complete asshole by a select number of devs for even taking the effort to show them even tho they havent taken the time to look at it.
a new forum will be started soon, in the meantime until that is actually sorted, murga will remain the home of the pussy thread and puppylinux.info has a secondary thread. Ill update this post with info regarding forums etc. If this forum wants pussies home to be here then thats cool, it can be. If not then thats ok i completely understand. Ill update this post and let everyone know whats happening regarding the forum situation.
I bear no ill will to anyone here and there have been people in the community that have turned me from a Linux newbie to a pro. This is the #puppylinux support channel, its the best thing to have on your screen when you use Puppy. The info i learned on that channel has been a very major influence on my entire life. Alot of people there dont seem to realize just how awesome their skills are, and they are way above any RHCE or other linux qualification.Consider: those of you who have compiled your own linux do not need lessons to learn about how linux works! I know some real life linux techs, seriously they would not be able to even understand what your even saying on the channel, and i am saying this to all the regular puppy devs there. Puppy is very difficult to dev on, and this has turned you all in to extremely skillful people. If any of you actually had a conversation with a recruiter from pretty much any major firm and you where able to show them what it is you do for alot of your day, you can seriously get a job anywhere. i am meaning what im saying here. And just know that i personally am a product of what you guys have created lol.
Anyway ill see all you guys around, i bear no ill will, i just have not enough time to do pussy and puppy so ive had to drop one.
ok later ppl.
sickgut@gmail.com
edit: ive sent a message to john murga but it is in the "outbox" does that mean its been sent, will be sent or tried but failed?