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Slacko 5.3 desktop icons lost their captios
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greengeek

Joined: 20 Jul 2010
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Location: New Zealand

PostPosted: Thu 12 Apr 2012, 14:19    Post subject:  

npierce wrote:
If you restart rox you will see the proper image. I'm not sure what the name of the pinboard file is for Slacko, but for Racy 5.2.2 the commands are:
Code:
killall ROX-Filer
rox -p /root/Choices/ROX-Filer/PuppyPin


Amazing, thanks. I entered only these two commands and now my desktop skype icon is back to showing the correct size depending on whether a 16, 24 or 48 pixel pixmap is chosen. (I still see the blurry "24pixel pixmaps" in usr/local/bin/x11/pixmaps of course, but I guess it must have always been that way)

(I am a little confused why I didnt need to change the display-show-thumbs boolean. I expected that to show up with the rox -p /root/Choices/ROX-Filer/PuppyPin command. I thought that Rox would present me with some choices as it restarted, but it just restarted correctly without any settings changes from me...){It is so hard having only a pea-sized brain...}

But my desktop is now back to normal. And now I shall make a new backup of my savefile Smile

Many thanks!

I have attached some pics of what I saw:
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greengeek

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PostPosted: Thu 12 Apr 2012, 14:31    Post subject:  

npierce wrote:

When showing a directory in a window, using large icons, ROX-Filer displays a grid, so it wants them all the same size.

bigpup wrote:
24 size are half the pixels of the 48 size. Rox views them at same size, so the 24 size ones, look fuzzy, due to less pixels. Less detail at a larger size


When it is displaying the icons in a directory like /usr/local/lib/x11/pixmaps Is there any way to force ROX to space the icons as if they were all 48pixels, but still display the 24pixel icons in smaller format?

What if someone was designing icons; wouldn't they want to see what they looked like without ROX expanding them?

I wonder what will happen if I change the setting on that folder to display small icons? I think I will do my savefile backup first, then fiddle some more..

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npierce

Joined: 28 Dec 2009
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Apr 2012, 12:25    Post subject:  

greengeek,

You're welcome. I'm glad you had success.

greengeek wrote:
(I still see the blurry "24pixel pixmaps" in usr/local/bin/x11/pixmaps of course, but I guess it must have always been that way)

When the "display_show_thumbs" option is 0 (false), which is the default, all image files would be represented by the same icon, not a thumbnail. So you would never see the thumbnails, blurry or otherwise. When you installed the troublesome jre .pet, that option got changed to 1 (true). After that you saw the thumbnails, both blurry and otherwise.

greengeek wrote:
I am a little confused why I didnt need to change the display-show-thumbs boolean.

That option is only supposed to control what is shown in the directory window, not on the pinboard (desktop). The fact that until rox is restarted a blurry thumbnail is temporarily shown on the desktop, after being dragged from the directory window to a "Set icon" drop box, could probably be considered a bug. Once restarted, as you have seen, the icon will be displayed properly on the pinboard. Setting "display_show_thumbs" to 0 just prevents the blurry thumbnail from being created in the first place, so that bug is not encountered.

greengeek wrote:
I expected that to show up with the rox -p /root/Choices/ROX-Filer/PuppyPin command. I thought that Rox would present me with some choices as it restarted . . .

If you want to change that option you can back-up and then manually edit /root/.config/rox.sourceforge.net/ROX-Filer/Options, or you can right-click in a ROX-Filer window and choose Options... -> Filer windows -> Thumbnails, then uncheck the "Show image thumbnails" checkbox, and click OK. You will then need to
Code:
killall ROX-Filer
rox -p /root/Choices/ROX-Filer/PuppyPin

once again to make sure it displays the proper thumbnails on the pinboard in the future.

greengeek wrote:
When it is displaying the icons in a directory like /usr/local/lib/x11/pixmaps Is there any way to force ROX to space the icons as if they were all 48pixels, but still display the 24pixel icons in smaller format?

The only way I know of to do that is to manually set the icon for each icon's image file to itself, using "Set icon..." from the right-click menu tree or by manually editing /root/.config/rox.sourceforge.net/ROX-Filer/globicons to add <rule match> entries in the <special-files> section (not recommended). Either method would be tedious.

greengeek wrote:
What if someone was designing icons; wouldn't they want to see what they looked like without ROX expanding them?

Yes, someone designing icons might like an option like that. But the ROX-Filer directory windows are primarily intended to help users find files, not examine them. Once found they can be examined with a single click. I suspect that most folks would prefer consistently sized icons in the window when looking for a file (even if a bit fuzzy), much like the way you prefer having a Skype icon on your desktop which isn't bigger than the other desktop icons. Still, it would be nice to have the option, and you should consider suggesting it to the ROX developers.

greengeek wrote:
I wonder what will happen if I change the setting on that folder to display small icons? I think I will do my savefile backup first, then fiddle some more..

By now you have probably found that doing that changes the layout and shrinks the large icons. Yes: good idea about backing-up your save file before experimenting, although this particular change should be easy to revert.
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greengeek

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Apr 2012, 15:24    Post subject:  

npierce wrote:
By now you have probably found that doing that changes the layout and shrinks the large icons

Yes, it shrank the icons but retained the fuzziness.

Thanks so much for the comprehensive answers. It is very helpful and much appreciated. I must have a closer look at exactly what ROX does and how it works. It is obviously doing quite a bit more than I realised under the hood.

I will experiment a bit more when I get back to this computer in a weeks time, but for now I will post a pic of the Skype icons folder - it originally contained 16, 32 and 48 pixel icons and yesterday I added 20 and 24 pixel icons. The 16 and 48 look clear (displayed at expected size), but the others have been expanded. So both types of Rox behaviour in the one folder. I haven't done the rox killall again yet, but will do so next week and see what happens.
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npierce

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Apr 2012, 13:08    Post subject:  

greengeek wrote:
The 16 and 48 look clear (displayed at expected size), but the others have been expanded. So both types of Rox behaviour in the one folder.

Yes, once you have associated an image with a pinboard item by using the "Set Icon..." dialog (as you have done with the 16-pixel Skype image), the resulting icon will be used to represent that image in the directory windows instead of a 48-pixel (possibly expanded and fuzzy) thumbnail. (Why that behavior was chosen, I do not know.)
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Nepozvan

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PostPosted: Tue 22 May 2012, 11:20    Post subject:  

greengeek wrote:
Nepozvan wrote:
Some time i must clik 2 or 3 times on icon to open or execute it.


Are you running Slacko 5.3 or a different version of Puppy?

What happens when you click just once on an icon. Do you see a square box flash around it? Or does the icon flicker at all?


Yes,it's 5.3.1 Slacko.

It depends.Sometimes doesn't flicker at all,and than nothing happens after clicking,and when square flash around icon,than it works,it's ok.
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greengeek

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PostPosted: Tue 22 May 2012, 15:17    Post subject:  

Nepozvan wrote:
Yes,it's 5.3.1 Slacko.

It depends.Sometimes doesn't flicker at all,and than nothing happens after clicking,and when square flash around icon,than it works,it's ok.

That sounds as if it may be caused by what npierce was saying in one of his posts:

npierce wrote:
But if your Puppy has a version of GTK/GDK newer than 2.16, you may be seeing an incompatibility between ROX-Filer and recent versions of the GDK library. If so, after using the right-button menu on the desktop, you will need to click twice on an icon the first time you go to open or execute a file. After that a single click works until you use the right-button menu again. If you bring up the menu but don't use it, your first click dismisses the menu, which is the correct behavior. So normally, in that case you would click twice before the file opened, but with the incompatibility bug you would click three times.

(If interested, see bug report: ROX-Filer problem after accessing WM menus:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=611819#611819
(ungrab bug)).

The only other suggestion I have is to try a different mouse - but you probably already tried that.
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