The State of Package Management
Actually I was picking up on this:Aitch wrote:Vector linux?...maybe my comment on 18th sparked that...?
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 0&start=32
Maybe micko was picking up on this:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 0&start=28
So maybe all that came from your comment?
Hows that for a dev/loop??
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Am a programmer of 30 years and 30 some languages but new here and new to Puppy so I'll briefly throw in my 1 cent worth...
I've just spent an hour trying to find PupGet and Puppy Basic so I can install unrpm.undeb.pup so I can extract Synergy 1.3.1 .rpm to install it on on Puppy 5.2.2. From this thread, I now see this has probably been folly due to fully understandable incompatibilities. We can't make software better without breaking a few old versions.
However, I wish the current Package Manager included perhaps a link from the main screen to a help page explaining step-by-step what a newbie might do (like finding the source and recompiling) in this situation.
From this thread, it appears that the package manager definitely needs to be more robust. That probably means a rewrite that can't be backward compatible. However, to remain inviting to newcomers, it really needs to guide users to a solution, if there is one, for using software that only exists via what will be 2 obsolete package managers or source. A builtin launcher for Xarchive, make, configure, etc. for those source compiles would be very helpful too.
Puppy Linux is the best *nx I've ever used!
Kudus to Barry and all that keep making it better!
As I continue to convert 6 systems to Puppy, I look forward to many happy [Return]s.
I've just spent an hour trying to find PupGet and Puppy Basic so I can install unrpm.undeb.pup so I can extract Synergy 1.3.1 .rpm to install it on on Puppy 5.2.2. From this thread, I now see this has probably been folly due to fully understandable incompatibilities. We can't make software better without breaking a few old versions.
However, I wish the current Package Manager included perhaps a link from the main screen to a help page explaining step-by-step what a newbie might do (like finding the source and recompiling) in this situation.
From this thread, it appears that the package manager definitely needs to be more robust. That probably means a rewrite that can't be backward compatible. However, to remain inviting to newcomers, it really needs to guide users to a solution, if there is one, for using software that only exists via what will be 2 obsolete package managers or source. A builtin launcher for Xarchive, make, configure, etc. for those source compiles would be very helpful too.
Puppy Linux is the best *nx I've ever used!
Kudus to Barry and all that keep making it better!
As I continue to convert 6 systems to Puppy, I look forward to many happy [Return]s.
Thank you, DocSalvage. You pretty much summarized why the PPM should be remade: if a programmer of 30 years can't install a program within a few minutes (let alone an hour), how can we expect regular users to do so?
Puppy claims to be user friendly, yet programmers can't even install things.
Puppy is a great distro, but it's package management is it's weakness.
Puppy claims to be user friendly, yet programmers can't even install things.
It's not understandable incompatibilities. Pretty much every other linux distro has a better package manager then Puppy, and you can easily install programs on them.From this thread, I now see this has probably been folly due to fully understandable incompatibilities. We can't make software better without breaking a few old versions.
Puppy is a great distro, but it's package management is it's weakness.
unrpm:DocSalvage wrote:Am a programmer of 30 years and 30 some languages but new here and new to Puppy so I'll briefly throw in my 1 cent worth...
I've just spent an hour trying to find PupGet and Puppy Basic so I can install unrpm.undeb.pup so I can extract Synergy 1.3.1 .rpm to install it on on Puppy 5.2.2.
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#!/bin/sh
exec rpm2cpio "$@" | cpio -i -d
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unrpm:
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Thanks for the code jpeps!
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#!/bin/sh
exec rpm2cpio "$@" | cpio -i -d
Thanks for the code jpeps!
welcome to puppy linuxDocSalvage wrote:unrpm:Code: Select all
#!/bin/sh exec rpm2cpio "$@" | cpio -i -d
Thanks for the code jpeps!
Thank you for agreeing with me.
I never found the interface in PPM very intuitive.
...And some daily operations in it are tedious.
I'm no programmer but even I can tell that it's missing a few usable features.
One interesting Idea would be to merge PPM and Quickpet/Slickpet into one user friendly interface. I know the PPM is puppy's answer to Synaptic and Quickpet is puppy's software center, treat caterer.
However I'd like to see Quickpet have more applications to view and maybe search Quickpet for applications...
I know it can be done and still keep a small footprint because I trust the ability of the Puppy devs.
I never found the interface in PPM very intuitive.
...And some daily operations in it are tedious.
I'm no programmer but even I can tell that it's missing a few usable features.
One interesting Idea would be to merge PPM and Quickpet/Slickpet into one user friendly interface. I know the PPM is puppy's answer to Synaptic and Quickpet is puppy's software center, treat caterer.
However I'd like to see Quickpet have more applications to view and maybe search Quickpet for applications...
I know it can be done and still keep a small footprint because I trust the ability of the Puppy devs.
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So you like the package manager, but do you think there should be an improvement in the package repository, or are you happy with the forum being the de facto repository?bark_bark_bark wrote:I think the PPM is fine the way it is.
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