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aarf

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PostPosted: Sun 17 Jun 2012, 16:35    Post subject:  

antiloquax wrote:
I've had a go at connecting an LED and a switch to the RPi (following instructions in the MagPi issue 2).
Got the LED to light up, but I think I had the switch in the wrong way.
Will debug later ...
took a look at how they did it. Unfortunately I don't know anything about python. Would be interested to know if just copying the blink arduino script into the python file with the same breadboard setup for blinking would get there.
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PostPosted: Mon 18 Jun 2012, 01:39    Post subject: Re: got a raspberry pi, can't wait for puppy
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tinker wrote:


arch: got it to boot to a command line. Is there really no graphical desktop installed?


Update system

pacman -Syyu

Install X
Code:

pacman -S xorg-server xorg-xinit xorg-server-utils mesa mesa-demos xorg-twm xorg-xclock xterm rox xf86-video-fbdev dbus

rc.d start dbus

Add dbus to the DAEMONS array in /etc/rc.conf (you can do this later).

Install some fonts:
Code:

pacman -S ttf-dejavu

Start the X server:
Code:

startx

Some terminals will appear on a desktop. To get a pinboard, type:
Code:

rox -p pin

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PostPosted: Mon 18 Jun 2012, 23:21    Post subject: Re: got a raspberry pi, can't wait for puppy
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antiloquax,

thanks for the instructions for arch. I can't try them tonight, but I will do so as soon as I can.
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PostPosted: Tue 19 Jun 2012, 05:53    Post subject: Re: got a raspberry pi, can't wait for puppy
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tinker wrote:
antiloquax,

thanks for the instructions for arch. I can't try them tonight, but I will do so as soon as I can.


I find it a lot faster than Debian. Those instructions just intall "twm" (the old and basic window manager). I'm having a play with rox and openbox at the moment, and that is nicer (once you have set up the openbox menu how you want it!).
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PostPosted: Tue 19 Jun 2012, 07:03    Post subject:
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I've been using VNC to use my Pi from my desktop PC. This is useful as my router is in another room. So now I can do stuff on my Pi online without hassle.

I haven't tried using ssh and vnc before, I was quite pleased to get this working!

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PostPosted: Tue 19 Jun 2012, 15:50    Post subject:  

Barry has released a pre alpha.
I have written to Eben Upton. Hopefully we can get some testing and bugs fixed Smile
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02865

Tried a few things . . .
Straight to desktop with Ethernet connected . . .
Ayttm got me to the Puppy Chat forum
Mtpaint took a screenshot OK
Gnumeric and Abiword take about 6 seconds to load. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue 19 Jun 2012, 17:45    Post subject:  

new fruit on the plate: Gooseberry
http://www.tgdaily.com/hardware-features/64123-meet-the-gooseberry-a-63-android-board

more ARM fruits more fun Wink
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PostPosted: Tue 19 Jun 2012, 17:46    Post subject:  

Lobster wrote:
Barry has released a pre alpha.
I have written to Eben Upton. Hopefully we can get some testing and bugs fixed Smile
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02865


Great!
Downloading ...

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Jun 2012, 02:06    Post subject:  

Fellow Puppys, Rapberrians, tinker, those contemplating a purchase,

Liz Upton has posted on the Raspberry forum about Sap6 (Barry's Puppi pre alpha). A new Debian based on Wheezy has been released, mixed response so far . . .
I have updated the wikki and posted on the blog etc
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PuppiNews
http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=104068#p104068
http://www.tumblr.com/blog/raspberrypy

OK gonna try getting on the forum with the links browser provided - if anyone gets Chrome or Seamonkey running in sap6 let us know how Smile

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Jun 2012, 07:16    Post subject: Re: got a raspberry pi, can't wait for puppy
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tinker wrote:
Well, the long awaited rpi is here, and I've spent half of father's day trying different distros. (This would normally be a good thing - when asked what I wanted for father's day, I could honestly say, just some peace and quiet and the opportunity to putter with computer hardware and software, and I got it!) But it's turned out to be frustrating. I've tried 3 things, and I don't have any of them in a really good state (although this message is being typed in Debian, so at least that's usable).

This is certainly a device that cries out for puppy linux. I'm a professional computer person who ought to be able to do the google-fiddle-fiddle-fix myself and eventually get there, but I guess I'm spoiled by the puppy world. I've used various puppies on my regular machines, Jemimah's puppeee and fluppy on various netbooks, and they JUST WORK. That's such a relief! I've done linux for a long time, I know that this is more like a beta device and not a consumer appliance, and I know it's early days, still, this is such a pain...

arch: got it to boot to a command line. Is there really no graphical desktop installed? I saw someone's instructions on installing Enlightenment - pages of installation and configuration - and decided to shelve that one.

raspbmc: found excellent (Windows) instructions on how to download and install the installer to an sd card, that all worked fine, and I ended up at the xbmc main screen. Not sure how it works, since I've never tried xbmc on any machine before - but I would be interested in using the pi sometimes as a way to get video or tv off the internet, so this looks promising. However, after a while it locks up with some usb-related errors that I haven't yet looked up on the internet.

debian: I needed to make half a dozen tweaks, but at least they were well documented, I can't get hdmi to work at all after many attempts at modifying /boot/config.txt, so I'm stuck with a max resolution of 678x460 (circa 1985), Also I can't get hexxeh's rpi-update to work, although I have tried all of the workarounds.


I think many many people will be dissapointed with the rasp pi in general simply because the desktop performance is jaw droppingly sluggish and because the software component of the package isnt fully working properly yet. No fully working software suite means no fully working rasp pi... and to tell the truth, the rasp pi will still dissapoint many many users even when the software is sorted out.

I have stressed the performance issue many times and i dont think people actually believe me until they try it for themselves.... However, i can understand this atleast partly because in the terms of general PC performance realms, a computer that can run Quake 3 at maximum resolution, would have no problem at all running a small linux distro and running internet applications, using a photo editing suite or an internet browser etc.

This ARM based system isnt capable of running firefox at a usable speed, and that will not change, even if puppy is ported to the rasp.

Try the following at the console before you start your x session:

apt-get update
apt-get install iceweasel

xinit iceweasel

This will install the debian version of firefox (called iceweasel for some strange oddity) and the xinit iceweasel line will run iceweasel with the absolute base desktop environment, no window manager and no desktop manager, just Xorg, and note that the version of the browser is very old, and newer versions of the browser are significantly more bloated and slower as far as ram and cpu usage goes. Anyone who has stuck with linux versions of firefox from say the 3 series up until the 11 or whatever it is now, will understand what i mean.

Once your using firefox in this manner, note that this is about as fast as it will ever run. Puppy is not so much faster that it is faster than debian with no trimmings at all. Puppy people can try this method to run programs, but most puppies simply wont work like this without alot of messing about. If this is too slow for you running firefox in this manner then you have an idea about the rasps ability to run full sized apps at a usable speed, or atleast popular modern desktop applications at a usable speed...

Porting puppy to the rasp wont magically make all the desktop applications people are used to run at the speed of a normal PC, it will require alot of learning and effort on the part of anyone using to discover ways to use the rasp in a fulfilling way, its certainly not something that will give the user instant gratification, its an educational device, and education means learning and learning requires patience that is unless you run quake on it, then its as pretty sweet, however sadly... even quake 3 doesnt seem to hold the attention of many people anymore.

i dont want to give people the wrong impression tho, just warn people as to the rasps performance so they dont get dissapointed.
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PostPosted: Wed 20 Jun 2012, 07:33    Post subject:  

can a swap partition or swap file be used with puppi?
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PostPosted: Wed 20 Jun 2012, 08:20    Post subject:  

aarf wrote:
can a swap partition or swap file be used with puppi?


Yes, my sap6 sd image has a 256MB swap partition. Thgough, I hate having to use a Flash memory as swap!

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Jun 2012, 11:11    Post subject: Re: got a raspberry pi, can't wait for puppy
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sickgut wrote:

I think many many people will be dissapointed with the rasp pi in general simply because the desktop performance is jaw droppingly sluggish and because the software component of the package isnt fully working properly yet.
[ ... ]
it's an educational device, and education means learning and learning requires patience [...]


I suppose it depends on what they are expecting. The foundation have always been open about the fact that the RPi will run desktop applications about as well as a ten-year-old computer.

The device perfectly fulfills its brief, as far as I am concerned. It's a £25 Linux computer and it's easy to learn to program using it.

Having said that, you certainly have a point. I hope that young people will buy this device in significant numbers and use it for the purpose for which it was intended. I am worried, though, that some young people will be put off by the lack of power and speed. While I can relate to Eben Upton talking about the days when your computer invited you to learn programming, it is the case that we did not have access to the range of devices that today's young people are used to.

It would be a shame if this machine is more popular with hackers like ourselves than its intended target market!

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Jun 2012, 11:37    Post subject:  

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It would be a shame if this machine is more popular with hackers like ourselves than its intended target market!



Geeks have children
and cats
http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1444
they will learn, they will program. They will blow raspberries at us . . . Rolling Eyes Those 4 and 6 year olds are programming in Python . . .
Ay Chihuahua!

You think you can program on an Android phone or an Ipaid? Confused
Non!

The intended market is kids that tinker and play in a different way . . .

The speed on Arch was superior to Debian. So we can optimise . . .

I am putting Puppi Sap6 on a second (unreliable) SD card - hope it works - Barry recommends typing 'sync' after burning
That may help . . . Cool

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Jun 2012, 12:46    Post subject:  

Lobster wrote:

Geeks have children
and cats

Yes - it was great to see those pictures on the RPi site.

By the way, I'm attaching a couple of fun GUI python programs I have been working on for you to test / critique
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