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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr 2012, 23:01    Post_subject:  

Looks like LH Update is broken on mine. It's fine on the CD but as soon as I install, make a savefile, and reboot...

...ouch.

Running from Terminal, it spits out a bunch of gobbledegook. Running from GUI, it fails to update. Looks like it gets corrupted soon as it hits the disk.

Is there an easy fix? Can I manually download this stuff?

EDIT: boy do I feel like a noob. It's on an ext4 partition, system is a Compaq SR2173wm with a 160gb HDD and 2gb RAM. Wifi (atheros PCI card) isn't being stable, either... lemme run memtest, see if that's what's going on.
EDIT2: nevermind, I'm just putting Racy Puppy 522 on this thing; it's honestly easier to go with something I know about.

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PostPosted: Wed 04 Apr 2012, 18:15    Post_subject:  

starhawk wrote:
Looks like LH Update is broken ... I know about.
I, personally, do not do HDD?USB installs of any PUPs.

But, some on this thread may be able to help if we had a better idea of what's occurring. All Lighthouses (32/64bit) easily fit on a 2GB PC. So, you will not have a memory problem.

Question in order to help you
Is your laptop a 32bit/64bit CPU system?
IF you are running Mariner which Mariner are you running?
DId you bypass the very first message from a CD boot to reboot and create a save file or did you reboot for a save file? (this message although scary, is not a requirement of anything on your first system boot).

The above should give some idea of what's ailing your use.

If it were me, I would boot the Live media, ignore the reboot offer, and go straight to the desktop. Setup your localization and hit OK allowing the system to complete these items for your system's running. Completing this, will restart your X desktop.
Once, it returns to the desktop ignore the other Windows which pop-up and click the Update icon on the desktop. There, assuming you have internet connectivity, I would then run the Update icon on your desktop, clicking its very top-most selection for Update to update its tables. Then, look at the list of items in the update window, for it will show what is currently installed from the Live media (CD/DVD) you booted.

Once that is done, next I would open the PPM and add any additional package you may need, should you need any.

Finally, I would go to Menu>Shutdown>... to complete a reboot where you will be allowed to save your LightHouse session.

When reboot completes, you will be on your way and might be able to run without rebooting.

Should you complete this, you may want to post your
  • Menu>System>Report Video GLX as well a
  • Menu>System>HardInfo...Summary
to this thread so that we understand a little more of where you are.

Hope this helps.

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PostPosted: Thu 05 Apr 2012, 12:48    Post_subject:  

with puppy its possible to make an OS that is very good out of the box experience with everything you need but its what happens after that..... after you have a solid OS that does MOST things... where do you go?

the problem with puppy is that as soon as a user wishes to break away from the normal array of applications, its difficult for newbies to get software to run on puppy unless a puppy dev has done the same and made the application available as a .pet... the PPM can get binary packages from other major linux repos but most still require hand holding to work... also something a newbie cant do.

if you want an OS to be able to do everything a Mac or PC with windows can do then you need to have a system that gives you compatibility with a larger selection of software than that which is available for puppy right now.

right now puppy has compatibility but not 100% compatibility with current major linux distro repositories. If puppy had a package management system that could draw from debian or ubuntu or fedora or slackware repos with 100% compatibility then combine that with a decent out of the box solution, then puppy would kick ass.

but i fear puppy is too bleeding edge to make large stable repositories for.

my opinion is we can go 2 ways:

1). Pick the most stable puppy with the new linux 3 kernel. This will be fine for years to come. Focus on reliability rather than features, if something doesnt work quite right, dont include it. There is plenty of time to iron out bugs. Work at making high quality packages for Puppy that once done propperly wont have to be done again. Ofcause browsers and others will need to be kept up to date. This Puppy needs to be the only or main focus of the community until its made perfect and that will take years but at the end you will have something that will be better than windows or Mac. With one puppy that is now bleeding edge that will be the flagship for atleast 3 or 4 years that we will make a huge repo of software for, this will give all the package maintainers/ devs etc time to make a decent repo of software. If there are any fixes or important updates to the OS itself then it should be released as a patch, dont release an entirely new OS. Stick with one version of Puppy for years, this is what MS does with Windows and what MAC does with its OS. Simply put, people have time to make software for these OSes because they stay the same for long periods of time. Years. Yes. Years.
If we could agree to do this with puppy then i would devote my time and effort as well into making a good software repo. The reason i dont do this anymore is because i see it as completely pointless to release a new puppy every few months and then be expected to make a whole new repository for it. Stick with one version so we have time to make a repo that will be large and useful. Not leeching half assed from other linux distros but a large stable repo compiled on puppy or using binaries that we know work, packaged for puppy.

2). leech successfully from other linux distros already established repos in a more efficient way, the only way to do this is to start again, make something puppylike from the base of an already established OS and dont break compatibility with it, then software will install fine every time using the native package manager for the linux distro base that a new kind of puppy could be built on. It can be made just as small and in some cases even more memory efficient and as fast as what puppy is now.

ive flogged these 2 ideas to death on this forum so ill be quiet now
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PostPosted: Mon 04 Jun 2012, 12:58    Post_subject: REcent Entry into this field  

A new entry into a Puppy distro where there may be little to no need to download anything to match most of what you'd get from an OOTB Microsoft/Apple PC is 01Mico's "FATSLACKO" distro. It provides some of the same subsystems as LightHouse64, but FATSLACKO does it for 32bit PC, for it, like most PUPs are 32bit OSes.
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Although it is NOT as robust as TaZoC's Mariner Lighthouse64, it is a formidable entry in this field for matching the functionality we all have come to expect when we buy a new PC.

This entry is aimed (in my opinion) at PC with greater than 512MB RAM, preferably 2006 on. It is fast, and useful immediately OOTB with stable products for Office, as well as LAN services.

We now have a 64bit entry as well as a 32bit entry of the OOTB PUPs where you can have it provide the same services as an OOTB Microsoft/Apple PC provides.

And, bear in mind, each of these has the stellar Office packaging of LIbreOffice and the LAN service packages for communicating and sharing with ALL of the devices on your LAN.

These are 2 of the extremely swift Puppy LInus distro that are OOTB full fundtions.

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PostPosted: Tue 05 Jun 2012, 12:30    Post_subject: Never a need to remaster  

Although this will NOT be the dase for some users, I think it will be the case for many.

"There has NOT been a need to remaster either of these 2 distros that I have running because they do most everything one would expect"...OOTB.
  • LightHouse64 (Dec, 2011)
  • FATSlacko (last month)
The major contribution is reduction in time on the internet to set it up and reduction in time adding and tailoring the local system. In other words, for many, there would be nothing to add for an enriched OOTB experience. I dont have to spend the time on the internet trying to research on what needed to get the useful services operational within the distro as it was made ever so easy for user use.

This is the primary savings that the distros mentioned in this thread are offering...simple-complete use OOTB for almost any user.

Hope this is clear.

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PostPosted: Thu 28 Feb 2013, 12:36    Post_subject: LHP 64 cannot load packages ?
Sub_title: Shutdown then is impossible
 

LHP 64 cannot load packages ? even if i download a package from yr proposal, for instance Pupnapshot, that's freeze all the machine. I cannot shutdown like if the computer was working ?
I am used to LHP503, But i would like the use the newer version for 64 bits.
Have you an explanation and a solution ?
Many thanks For help
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PostPosted: Thu 28 Feb 2013, 13:05    Post_subject: I was here, so i read yr remarks
Sub_title: So i give mines
 

I am looking for a distro which does not do always the same as others i.e Office, graphics, multimedia but would touch men at work, non at leasure time.
Planner, sales, purchasing, overhaul, stores management. You see what I mean ? We are on this project in french forum.

Utopiste ? Perhaps no.

Please tell me why my LHP freezes when loading packages . Merci beaucoup.
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PostPosted: Thu 28 Feb 2013, 20:35    Post_subject: You should probably post your 2 post at the LH64 Forum  

To get much more attention I recommend you post your LH64 problem there. I will reply there, along with everyone else,. to try andtro assist you.

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PostPosted: Thu 28 Feb 2013, 23:31    Post_subject:  

From http://www.lhpup.org/:

TaZoc wrote:
2013.02.04 Lighthouse64 5.15 Final was released last Oct 30th. I suffered a relapse shortly thereafter, similar to last winter, but not as severe. I'm doing a little better now and am working toward a new release of LH64 with significant core updates, (kernel, glibc, Xorg, etc.) as well as updated Xfce and KDE add-on packs.


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PostPosted: Fri 01 Mar 2013, 00:07    Post_subject:  

Big warm hug to TaZoc
but it is very wrong to say that

These distros do EVERYTHING that a Microsoft/Apple PC does!
They do not!

They don't do SonyEricson Smartphone update because
you need Microsoft todo that.

They don't do MakeHuman AFAIK. http://www.makehuman.org/

You either need Microsoft or Ubuntu or Debian full install to do it.

I've heard of no frugal install of Puppy that can do that program
so your title lies.

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Mar 2013, 01:50    Post_subject:  

This thread has existed for about a year. TaZoC Lighthouse 64 hit the streets long before that consider the testing some of us worked with him on. What Tazoc did was to add a version of LAN sharing such that a 6 year protocol would be present in LightHouse64. 01Micko FATSlacko was the 32bit version which hit the streets in Puppyland in April which mimic'ed the same need.

The addition of this one primary subsystem along with all the changes that the kernel brings to those distros, elevated them to be LAN participants where any LAN devices that would/could interoperate with Microsoft and Apple could interoperate with Puppy Linux in exactly the same way at the protocol level.

I know that you often refer that things are too complex, but I hope this isnt.

Lastly, for years, the developers of this community have create products, PETS, SFSs, and the like such that Barry could assemble those subsystems into WOOF with a packaging that generates a non-LAN compliant desktop where equal functionality results in a Puppy to match OOTB functionality that comes with Microsoft and Apple.

But, to, as you attempt to change the meaning of the title to your personal translation and to discount the value of the information to the common reason, you may want to reconsider. Respectfully said.

Puppy at its base OOTB desktop and with the addition of LAN services that directly matches the other OS provides an OOTB distro that does EVERYTHING the other distros do, OOTB as of say Windows Vista. (I believe that this community brings to the table a quality product)

Lastly, TaZoC includes the Wine subsystem as a technology that can be employed to adapt Microsoft products to LihgtHouse64. I am not a user of Wine, but judging from the forum, there are many users who are versed in Wine. You raise a concern of yours in such a way that I think you have a need for those services. I am sure that if you ask the many Puppy threads where WINE has shown up, you will find that someone of the community has addressed that. In fact, I also have a SMART devices and I would benefit should they show up in Puppyland either as a direct subsystem or as a Wine delivered subsystem. I will follow your lead on that.

Peace consider the edit that has been added to the opening thread. I hope it provides some better insight into why this thread was presented for community benefit.

Three is no LIE! But to be honest, if you want to translate the Title that way you can. In fact, you can translate almost ANY title or sentence in such a way as to consider it a LIE....Right??? In some countries, to do so is a method used to twist the truth by taking a sentence, any one sentence, out of context.

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