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sunburnt


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PostPosted: Sun 26 Aug 2012, 11:54    Post subject:  
Yes, I realize BusyBox isn`t for the purpose of reduced size.
I just question it`s seeming general usefulness, and it`s value in Squash based systems.
I have no doubt that there`s a lot more going on with it.

If it`s truly an enhancement then perhaps it should be expanded?
Add in sed, grep, cut, paste, comm, awk, and perhaps even more...
This would "containerize" most of the loose Linux utility files.
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Ibidem

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Feb 2013, 03:17    Post subject:  
Busybox has sed, awk, lpd, vi, fdisk, mkfs, fsck, and so on--it's enough to build the kernel, combined with binutils, gcc, and make. You probably want CONFIG_DESKTOP, though.
I've actually usedit as a full standalone OS.

IIRC, UPX hurts because it ends up killing the self-exec trick or something similar--could be wrong; I remember they mentioned it was NOT good for anything which has multiple instances.
I'd expect Busybox to be an improvement on compressed filesystems due to reduced filesystem io-it self-executes from RAM that is required just to run it, so you don't have it eating up cycles on decompression or cached in ram.
The big space savings (IIRC) was actually in just having one ELF header.
A shared, split Busybox with libbusybox.so was ~6-7 MB in the 1.18 timeline (an interesting config option that is well hidden: enable PIC, then edit .config and uncomment it; I forget the name of the option...)
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technosaurus


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PostPosted: Sat 09 Feb 2013, 04:37    Post subject:  
The problem with libbusybox.so is that it only exports the <applet>_main functions, not the other functions that could be useful for linking against for creating other apps (I believe this was brought up on the mailing list at some point) ... things like the zlib/bz2/xz, md5/sha1 and other numerous helper functions, but this is likely due to license choice being gpl vs. lgpl - industry isn't usually interested in gpl-ing a major work, but now there is toybox.
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scsijon

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jul 2013, 21:52    Post subject: Re: system optimization techniques  
technosaurus wrote:
Wondering whether or not to recompile a program in your puplet to eliminate large shared libs that are only used once or twice

Code:
for x in ${PATH//://* }/* ; do [ -x "$x" ] && objdump -x $x 2>/dev/null & done|grep NEEDED|sort |uniq -c |sort -n >binaudit


this will tell you how many times each library is needed (if it isn't on the list, it can likely just be removed --- not always though, need to remember dlopen and/or plugins may use it too ... in "module" mode)

now open binaudit in your text editor and get to work, starting with the ones that are needed only once ... you can build them in statically


Turned it into a shell script (easy) and ran it, it's interesting and usefull, however was wondering if you would be willing to extend it to start from / and test against all installed files and all subdirectorie depths and of course their libraries directories.

It could then become a tool for backtesting a completed build, and fill a void that we don't have now.

As you know, i'm not much of a coder and somedays just thinking is a mental migrane.

thanks
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technosaurus


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PostPosted: Sun 28 Jul 2013, 21:20    Post subject:  
If you start at /, it will check libs too even if no binaries use them. Waste of time and not useful. Maybe add some from /usr/share and $HOME, but those should really get fixed to be in proper locations.
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PostPosted: Wed 21 Jan 2015, 21:17    Post subject:  
Interesting thread.... The first example on page one did not work on Tahrpup.

Best,

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Jan 2015, 00:01    Post subject:  
slavvo67 wrote:
Interesting thread.... The first example on page one did not work on Tahrpup.
...not helpful at all.
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greengeek


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PostPosted: Thu 22 Jan 2015, 03:02    Post subject:  
technosaurus wrote:
Portability

You mentioned some tips about portability in this other thread. There were some good links posted in that thread too. Do you have a summary that could be posted in your subsection at top of this thread?
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Keef


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PostPosted: Thu 22 Jan 2015, 14:29    Post subject:  
Actually it does work on Tahrpup. Maybe you (slavvo67) couldn't find the 'binaudit' text file?
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