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PostPosted: Sun 03 Jun 2012, 08:01    Post subject: Precise Puppy beta1, June 3, 2012
Subject description: nvidia driver
 

I moved my flash drive install over to a pc with a Nvidia graphics
card.
After installing kernel_src-3.2.18-patched.sfs I downloaded and installed the
NVIDIA-Linux-x86-295.53.run file.

Precise Puppy, version 5.2.58 on Sun 3 Jun 2012

Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller
NVIDIA Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 430] (rev a1)
oem: NVIDIA
product: GF108 Board - 1071v0p1 Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg
Driver used: nvidia

X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 1920x1080 pixels (524x292 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

# glxgears
62930 frames in 5.0 seconds = 12585.816 FPS
63104 frames in 5.0 seconds = 12620.628 FPS
63119 frames in 5.0 seconds = 12623.742 FPS
#

The nvidia proprietary driver compiled without problems or warnings.
I have no idea how to make a pet of the Proprietary Nvidia driver,
sorry.

EDIT: I changed the 2 lines in the xorg.conf that 01micko suggests in the next message and it fixed a problem with taking screenshots of video.
Also, the vlc sfs from racy works in Precise, at least if does with the proprietary nvidia driver installed.
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PostPosted: Sun 03 Jun 2012, 08:24    Post subject:  

Ok on my radeon... but there is a bug. GLX is disabled in the xorg.conf, and DRI, an oversight I suspect. Once I commented those lines acceleration works with the radeon driver.

# report-video
Precise Puppy, version 5.2.58 on Sun 3 Jun 2012

Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller
Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Cedar PRO [Radeon HD 5450]
oem: ATI ATOMBIOS
product: CEDAR 01.00

X Server: Xorg
Driver used: # vesa

X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 1366x768 pixels (361x203 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz

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Computer
Processor 2x AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 250 Processor
Memory 2073MB (130MB used)
Operating System Unknown distribution
User Name root (root)
Date/Time Sun 03 Jun 2012 21:40:13 EST
Display
Resolution 1366x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x300)
X11 Vendor The X.Org Foundation
Multimedia
Audio Adapter HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
Audio Adapter USB-Audio - USB Audio CODEC
Audio Adapter HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic
Input Devices
Logitech USB Optical Mouse
Logitech USB Keyboard
Logitech USB Keyboard
Burr-Brown from TI USB Audio CODEC
Power Button
Power Button
PC Speaker
UVC Camera (046d:080f)
HD-Audio Generic HDMI/DP,pcm 3=
Printers (CUPS)
CUPS-PDF Default
SCSI Disks
ATA ST3500418AS
HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH24NS90
ATA WDC WD1600AAJB-0
Multi Flash Reader
Operating System
Version
Kernel Linux 3.2.18 (i686)
Compiled #1 SMP Wed May 30 22:40:54 GMT-8 2012
C Library GNU C Library version 2.15 (stable)
Default C Compiler Unknown
Distribution Unknown distribution
Current Session
Computer Name puppypc23693
User Name root (root)
Home Directory /root
Desktop Environment Unknown (Window Manager: JWM)
Misc
Uptime 12 minutes
Load Average 0.73, 0.79, 0.46


As you can see there is a bug in report-video (for a long time) where vesa is reported, radeon is actually loaded.

/var/log/Xorg.0.log attached.

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Tested heavy encryption on doing a save, worked fine.
Ethernet was not persistant, due to that I have 2 ethernet cards I suspect. It was auto detected on first boot (onboard forcedeth) but on next boot I had nothing, but the forcedeth was assigned "eth1". The pci realtek was eth0. Don't know which was assigned which at initial boot (no save).
Played most video and audio formats I have, including 3gp.
Loaded Libreoffice-3.5.4 (prepared in slacko) and it worked fine.
Images- png, jpeg, svg seem fine.

One point of note, I only have a browser open and there seem to be a lot of cpu cycles (xload). Confused . Slacko and FatDog barely move xload unless I'm compiling. CPU temperature is up about 5 degrees.
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PostPosted: Sun 03 Jun 2012, 11:33    Post subject: Geany colors  

Geany has "funny" colors in screens with 16 bit depth.
I remember having seen some comment on Pemasu's Precise but no solution.
Even if you get new color schemes for geany, the problem persists.
Googling for it, looks like an Ubuntu problem though I came across a likely bug in Fedora 17.
Anyone has any idea?
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PostPosted: Sun 03 Jun 2012, 11:48    Post subject: Re: multisession cd & other  

cowonjolt wrote:
3. Is there a pet somewhere for VLC media player for Precise or do I have to wait till I get a new drive and can compile it myself?


Does it need to be a .pet? I am testing the latest Precise Puppy beta now and have loaded Billtoo's .sfs VLC and it seems to be working.
EDIT - Or maybe not, audio seems jittery but this is now on a different machine. Anyone else tried it?

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=76271

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PostPosted: Sun 03 Jun 2012, 14:43    Post subject:  

Hello Barry

Quote:
Anyone got an ATI/radeon video chip to test?

I have the integrated RS880G graphics. With Precise B1 it is still nearly as broken as it was previously.

On first boot, dri and glx are disabled by xorg.conf, which is just as well because, with KMS enabled, Xorg has a fatal error and aborts without loading the keyboard.

On selecting Radeon in xorgwizard, xorg won't start because there are no driver modules for it to load, in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers. So it is necessary to copy them over from the driver backup folder.

With KMS disabled the Radeon R600 driver will load to the point where 2D acceleration is enabled, but AIGLX has various errors.

Code:
[    13.900] (II) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI2 capable
[    13.900] drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
[    13.900] drmOpenDevice: open result is 10, (OK)
[    13.900] drmOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID pci:0000:01:05.0
[    13.900] drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
[    13.900] drmOpenDevice: open result is 10, (OK)
[    13.900] drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns 10
[    13.900] drmOpenByBusid: Interface 1.4 failed, trying 1.1
[    13.900] drmOpenByBusid: drmGetBusid reports pci:0000:01:05.0
[    14.583] (EE) AIGLX error: r600 does not export required DRI extension
[    14.584] (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering
[    14.657] (II) AIGLX: Loaded and initialized swrast
[    14.657] (II) GLX: Initialized DRISWRAST GL provider for screen 0


AIGLX falls back to using LLVM software rasteriser, which also has an error and falls back to using swrast.

Also there is no modesetting because KMS is disabled, and R600 does not support userspace modesetting.

So adding LLVM did allow the loading of xorg to complete, but nowhere near the right answer.

I'm not a linux expert but I have been investigating this by reference to Fatdog 600a2 where the Radeon R600 configures itself correctly on the same motherboard.

The fatal error with KMS enabled is:

Code:
[    13.257] (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion failed because of a version mismatch.
[dri] This chipset requires a kernel module version of 1.17.0,
[dri] but the kernel reports a version of 2.12.0.[dri] Make sure your module is loaded prior to starting X, and
[dri] that this driver was built with support for KMS.
[dri] Aborting.

I did find a bug report filed for Arch for this error, and the opinion was that it was related to the version of xf86-video-ati/radeon and they had fixed it by reverting to an earlier version. But I don't think it was conclusive.

Precise has 6.14.99 git 20111219
Fatdog has 6.14.4 which was released on 28th March 2012.

I can't find any sign of updates for Ubuntu, but there are from Debian. But they are compiled for xorg 1.12, so I couldn't try them.

The other difference that I noticed was the that output from
Code:
dmesg | grep drm
reports a different radeon version: 1.33.0 for Precise and 2.13.0 for Fatdog.

From Precise Puppy:

Code:
[   29.805966] [drm] Initialized drm 1.1.0 20060810
[   29.822705] [drm] Supports vblank timestamp caching Rev 1 (10.10.2010).
[   29.822707] [drm] No driver support for vblank timestamp query.
[   29.822710] [drm] Initialized radeon 1.33.0 20080528 for 0000:01:05.0 on minor 0
[   30.092802] [drm] Setting GART location based on new memory map
[   30.093242] [drm] Loading RS780 CP Microcode
[   30.163970] [drm] Resetting GPU
[   30.164025] [drm] writeback test succeeded in 1 usecs

From Fatdog 600a2:

Code:
[drm] Initialized drm 1.1.0 20060810
[drm] radeon defaulting to kernel modesetting.
[drm] radeon kernel modesetting enabled.
[drm] initializing kernel modesetting (RS880 0x1002:0x9710 0x1849:0x9710).
[drm] register mmio base: 0xFEAF0000
[drm] register mmio size: 65536
[drm] Detected VRAM RAM=320M, BAR=256M
[drm] RAM width 32bits DDR
[drm] radeon: 320M of VRAM memory ready
[drm] radeon: 512M of GTT memory ready.
[drm] Supports vblank timestamp caching Rev 1 (10.10.2010).
[drm] Driver supports precise vblank timestamp query.
[drm] radeon: irq initialized.
[drm] GART: num cpu pages 131072, num gpu pages 131072
[drm] radeon: ib pool ready.
[drm] Loading RS780 Microcode
[drm] PCIE GART of 512M enabled (table at 0x00000000C0040000).
[drm] fence driver on ring 0 use gpu addr 0xa0000c00 and cpu addr 0xffff8800515afc00
[drm] ring test on 0 succeeded in 1 usecs
[drm] ib test on ring 0 succeeded in 0 usecs
[drm] Radeon Display Connectors
[drm] Connector 0:
[drm]   VGA
[drm]   DDC: 0x7e40 0x7e40 0x7e44 0x7e44 0x7e48 0x7e48 0x7e4c 0x7e4c
[drm]   Encoders:
[drm]     CRT1: INTERNAL_KLDSCP_DAC1
[drm] Connector 1:
[drm]   DVI-D
[drm]   HPD3
[drm]   DDC: 0x7e50 0x7e50 0x7e54 0x7e54 0x7e58 0x7e58 0x7e5c 0x7e5c
[drm]   Encoders:
[drm]     DFP3: INTERNAL_KLDSCP_LVTMA
[drm] radeon: power management initialized
[drm] fb mappable at 0xD0142000
[drm] vram apper at 0xD0000000
[drm] size 7680000
[drm] fb depth is 24
[drm]    pitch is 6400
fbcon: radeondrmfb (fb0) is primary device
fb0: radeondrmfb frame buffer device
drm: registered panic notifier
[drm] Initialized radeon 2.13.0 20080528 for 0000:01:05.0 on minor 0
continues...


I hope you understand this better than I do!

I also noticed that xorg on Precise B1 loads the modules twice and tries to load fglrx. A3 did not do this, but I don't think it makes any difference.
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PostPosted: Sun 03 Jun 2012, 14:52    Post subject: nvidia driver for precise  

For your convenience:
nvidia-glx-sdl-295.53-precise-beta.sfs for kernel 3.2.18.
http://shino.pos.to/party/bridge.cgi?puppy/precise/
Load, but do not execute nvidia-settings at this point of time. Just quit sfs_load, and run the xorgwizard.

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PostPosted: Sun 03 Jun 2012, 15:01    Post subject: mirror  

Also precise iso, devx and kernel source are mirrored.
http://shino.pos.to/party/bridge.cgi?puppy/precise/

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PostPosted: Sun 03 Jun 2012, 15:02    Post subject: Precise Puppy beta1, June 3, 2012
Subject description: take 2
 

I started with a fresh save file on my flash drive install.
I edited the xorg.conf file and changed 2 lines:
from: Disable "glx" #LOADGLX to Load "glx" #LOADGLX
and
from Disable "dri" to Load "dri"

Then restarted x, exited to the prompt and ran xorgwizard and chose
the nouveau driver.

Precise Puppy, version 5.2.58 on Sun 3 Jun 2012

Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller
NVIDIA Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 430] (rev a1)
oem: NVIDIA
product: GF108 Board - 1071v0p1 Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg
Driver used: nouveau

X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 1920x1080 pixels (507x285 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

# glxgears
Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be
approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
14634 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2926.756 FPS
14709 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2941.633 FPS
14713 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2942.461 FPS

Network controller Ralink corp. RT3090 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe

Earlier I compiled qt-everywhere-opensource-src-4.8.2.tar.gz and made
pets of it.

The new2dir script worked great, it used to take up to 2 hours to make
the qt pets but only took a few minutes this time.

I also compiled the latest snapshot of QupZilla which is a QT web
browser.

I may make an sfs file of the qt482 pets + Umplayer + QupZilla later and upload I can upload it if you want it Barry?

Going to watch golf for a few hours now Smile

EDIT:After using this for a while I find the nouveau driver works pretty well, not as fast as the proprietary driver but the skin tones in videos at cnn.com aren't purple and nexuiz plays well too.
I put an sfs together as well which has VLC,Umplayer, and QupZilla in it.
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PostPosted: Sun 03 Jun 2012, 19:22    Post subject: Broadcom wl multi-kernel pet  

The Broadcom wl driver for Precise 5.2.58 k3.2.18 is now included in my new All-In-One multi-kernel pet.
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PostPosted: Sun 03 Jun 2012, 21:58    Post subject: testing 5.2.58  

Precise-5.2.58

Fresh pfx=ram boot
eth0: Auto configured and connected

Installed some programs from previous Precise Version... all installed and worked well so far.

HP 1050 Printer and Scanner setup OK after installing:
(1)hplip_print-3.11.10.pet
(2)hplip_scan-3.11.10.pet

WiFi: 'Did NOT Work' after configuration so... downloaded and installed peebee's 'broadcom_sta_v5.100.82.112_patched_x96_32-multi.pet'

After a reeboot... still 'NO WiFI' (it sure looked like it wanted to as the blue light on the Linksys stick would keep blinking.)

Un-installed the broadcom_sta_v5.100.82.112_patched_x96_32-multi.pet

Downloaded peebee's previous patch: 'precise_broadcom_experiment-3.pet' for the previous version of Precise that worked for me... Bingo... Worked again for 5.2.58 and am posting from WiFi now.

Linksys AE1000 usb stick
Belkin 300 router
Dell Pentium 4

Overall 5:2.58 seems fast however, checking back with an earlier version of Dpup-4.9.9 that BK developed that I added a 3.2.8 kernel to:

Same sites were checked with both!

4.9.9 loads web-pages with graphics on them much, much, much faster than 5.2.58 Hey... don't take my word on this, try it yourself!!!!! I'm just telling it like it is.

EDIT: Load tests were preformed using 'Iron-14' on both 4.9.9 and 5.2.58 Updating Precise to an 'Iron-18 browser' and adding Adobe Flash-11 now puts both versions on just about an equal-load basis!

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PostPosted: Sun 03 Jun 2012, 22:34    Post subject: Re: nvidia driver for precise  

shinobar wrote:
For your convenience:
nvidia-glx-sdl-295.53-precise_5.2.58.sfs
http://shino.pos.to/party/bridge.cgi?puppy/precise/
Load, but do not execute nvidia-settings at this point of time. Just quit sfs_load, and run the xorgwizard.
Works good, thank you.
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PostPosted: Mon 04 Jun 2012, 08:13    Post subject: 5.2.58  

peebee...
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sszindian wrote:
Downloaded peebee's previous patch: 'precise_broadcom_experiment-3.pet' for the previous version of Precise that worked for me... Bingo... Worked again for 5.2.58 and am posting from WiFi now.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

After a good workout with WiFi last evening, WiFi still works however, getting a lot of 'drops' from the Internet with it... you were right, it's not quite the way it should be!!!!!

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PostPosted: Mon 04 Jun 2012, 08:35    Post subject: Re: 5.2.58  

sszindian wrote:
peebee...
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sszindian wrote:
Downloaded peebee's previous patch: 'precise_broadcom_experiment-3.pet' for the previous version of Precise that worked for me... Bingo... Worked again for 5.2.58 and am posting from WiFi now.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

After a good workout with WiFi last evening, WiFi still works however, getting a lot of 'drops' from the Internet with it... you were right, it's not quite the way it should be!!!!!

>>>---Indian------->


Hi Indian

I am at a loss how to comment as the lsmod output you provided http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=629488#629488 indicates that no Broadcom drivers are in use on your system - therefore the pets I make and the Experiment pets that rerwin has made (now up to #4 - http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=77697&start=349) should have no discernible effect on your system.

Just to confirm - can you post the output from the
Code:
lspci -nn
lspci -vnn -d 14e4:
commands run on your system - this will give the hardware IDs for your wifi adapter. If your adapter does not include 14e4 for the manufacturer then its not Broadcom. Replace your manufacturer ID for 14e4 in the second command to get more information. Is your device in this list?

One quick thought - are you using Frisbee?? I know its not included in Precise 5.2.58 but it is by far the most reliable at creating and maintaining a wifi connection in my experience. See http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=64472&search_id=963462188&start=80
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PostPosted: Mon 04 Jun 2012, 11:25    Post subject: UDF boot BluRay broken
Subject description: cant find files that exist,works in wary
 

--- /dev/sr0
Block device, size 22.56 GiB (24220008448 bytes)
CD-ROM, 1 track, CDDB disk ID 02000001
Track 1: Data track, 0 bytes
UDF file system
Sector size 2048 bytes
Volume name ""PrecicePuppyA1""
UDF version 1.02
ISO9660 file system
Volume name ""PrecicePuppyA1""
Publisher ""Ted_Dog""
Preparer "root"
Application "GENISOIMAGE ISO 9660/HFS FILESYSTEM CREATOR (C) 1993 E.YOUNGDALE (C) 1997-2006 J.PEARSON/J.SCHILLING (C) 2006-2007 CDRKIT TEAM"
Data size 21.33 GiB (22898565120 bytes, 11180940 blocks of 2 KiB)
El Torito boot record, catalog at 287
Bootable non-emulated image, starts at 288, preloads 2 KiB
Platform 0x00 (x86), System Type 0x00 (Empty)
ISOLINUX boot loader
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PostPosted: Mon 04 Jun 2012, 11:48    Post subject:  

precise 5.2.58 bugs :
- libllvm is huge.
- sound volume should be by default 100%
- ayttm needs libaspell.so.15

requests :
- in http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=puppy puppy is based on i386 ? or is it i486 ?
- can you add a small chess game (eg xboard ?)
- can you add a small card game (poker ) ?
- is Ayttm a dead project ? alternatives ?
- can you add you2pup ?
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