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Precise Puppy RC2, October 20, 2012
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Location: the Western Reserve

PostPosted: Sun 23 Sep 2012, 02:25    Post subject:
Subject description: okfine
 

1st look precise 5.3.95 (beta7, pae)

Looks like it is as simple as "puppy radeon.modeset=0" after a few false starts. Initial 800x600x16 was okay (but cramped), edited xorg.conf for 1024x768x24 and it's the same shifted left 20-30pixels and a bit wide (so I did the same modeline fix as for racy 5.3)..

Report Video 1.3 - Sat 22 Sep 2012 on Precise Puppy 5.3.95 - Linux 3.2.29 i686

Chip description:
9.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE] (rev 01) 0.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV280 [Radeon 9200] (rev 01)
oem: ATI RADEON 9200

X Server: Xorg Driver used: radeon
X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 1024x768 pixels (270x203 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

..some nice touches for a standard default setup (and easily changed, mostly). Small dinks like two ffconvert in the rox openwith (one capped, other not) and the 'traditional' optical drive in the 2nd floppy tab as well as the usb stick in the optical tab in pmount tabview (it got the hdds in the correct tab). Maybe have pmount start in single window view Wink. Very pleased to see a few of my favorites as standard in precise (htop and sfs-load on-the-fly).

Only niggle is it seems I'll have to do the bootcode "puppy radeon.modeset=0" manually on every boot Neutral unless there's an easy way to automate it on liveCD multisession.
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test on: i686 machine
processor - Pentium 3 @1GHz
RAM - 512M
vidcard0 - RV280 (aka ATI Radeon 9200), AGP
vidcard1 - not used, but also RV280 (switched off in BIOS - aka Radeon 9200SE), PCI (old-style)
soundcard - emu10k1 (aka Creative Audigy 2 ZS or SB0350)
boot/save method - liveCD multisession (cd-rw media)
limitations - no printer, no internet connection
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James C


Joined: 26 Mar 2009
Posts: 5759
Location: Kentucky

PostPosted: Sun 23 Sep 2012, 02:42    Post subject:  

5.3.95 on my old Windows 7/PCLOS/Puppy box......... booted straight to the correct 1440x900 resolution with working sound. Did need to use SNS for the internet connection
# report-video
Report Video 1.3 - Sun 23 Sep 2012 on Precise Puppy 5.3.95 - Linux 3.2.29 i686

Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G98 [GeForce 8400 GS] (rev a1)
oem: NVIDIA
product: G98 Board - 5610002u Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg Driver used: nouveau

X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (380x238 millimeters)
depth of root window: 16 planes


...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz
# glxgears
Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
#

Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G98 [GeForce 8400 GS] (rev a1)
oem: NVIDIA
product: G98 Board - 5610002u Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg Driver used: nouveau

X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (380x238 millimeters)
depth of root window: 16 planes


...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz
# glxgears
Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
#
-Computer-
Processor : Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.80GHz
Memory : 1034MB (201MB used)
Operating System : Unknown distribution
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Sun 23 Sep 2012 01:44:48 AM CDT
-Display-
Resolution : 1440x900 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Unknown
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter : CMI8738-MC6 - C-Media CMI8738
Audio Adapter : ICH4 - Intel ICH5

-Display-
Resolution : 1440x900 pixels
Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
Version : 1.11.3
-Monitors-
Monitor 0 : 1440x900 pixels
-OpenGL-
Vendor : Unknown
Renderer : Unknown
Version : Unknown
Direct Rendering : No
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James C


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Location: Kentucky

PostPosted: Sun 23 Sep 2012, 02:51    Post subject:  

5.3.95.1 on the same box as above post. Once again booted directly to correct resolution with working sound but this time the internet was connected on boot.

Report Video 1.3 - Sun 23 Sep 2012 on Precise Puppy 5.3.95.1 - Linux 3.2.30-nopae i686

Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G98 [GeForce 8400 GS] (rev a1)
oem: NVIDIA
product: G98 Board - 5610002u Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg Driver used: nv

X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (380x238 millimeters)
depth of root window: 16 planes


...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz
# glxgears
156 frames in 5.0 seconds = 31.002 FPS
154 frames in 5.0 seconds = 30.797 FPS
153 frames in 5.0 seconds = 30.480 FPS
146 frames in 5.0 seconds = 29.103 FPS
157 frames in 5.0 seconds = 31.292 FPS

-Display-
Resolution : 1440x900 pixels
Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
Version : 1.11.3
-Monitors-
Monitor 0 : 1440x900 pixels
-OpenGL-
Vendor : VMware, Inc.
Renderer : Gallium 0.4 on softpipe
Version : 3.0 Mesa 8.0.3
Direct Rendering : Yes
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Sage

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Location: GB

PostPosted: Sun 23 Sep 2012, 04:28    Post subject:  

Several black-screen events with pae version - not with expected 'problem' systems. Looking at suggested work-arounds. Presently running the non-pae version through a dozen or so machines. Too many systems to report every nuance as Bill & James are doing an excellent job in that respect; will await an RC or Gold.

DHCP doesn't seem to be switched on by default any longer, although Flash is now installed by default, at least for SM - good move.
None of the four ATI drivers in 'Probe' function with my Radeon9200.
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Billtoo


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Posts: 2102
Location: Ontario Canada

PostPosted: Sun 23 Sep 2012, 05:34    Post subject: Precise Puppy beta7, Sept. 23, 2012
Subject description: precise 5.3.95.1 on acer desktop pc
 

I did a manual frugal install to a 4gb flash drive.

Report Video 1.3-Sun23Sep2012 on PrecisePuppy5.3.95.1 - Linux 3.2.30-nopae i686

Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation C77 [GeForce 8200] (rev a2)
0.0 VGA compatible controller:NVIDIA Corporation G98[GeForce 9300 GE](rev a1)
oem: NVIDIA
product: MCP77 Board - mcp78pvo Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg Driver used: nvidia

X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (373x231 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

Computer
Processor 2x Athlon(tm) Dual Core Processor 4850e
Memory 2853MB (179MB used)
OpenGL
Vendor NVIDIA Corporation
Renderer GeForce 9200/integrated/SSE2/3DNOW!
Version 3.3.0 NVIDIA 295.75
Direct Rendering Yes
# glxgears
7190 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1437.814 FPS
7204 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1440.646 FPS
7174 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1434.749 FPS

Network controller Ralink corp. RT2790 Wireless 802.11n 1T/2R PCIe

Precise 5.3.95.1 nopae is working well on this 3 year old pc.
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Billtoo


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Location: Ontario Canada

PostPosted: Sun 23 Sep 2012, 06:09    Post subject: Precise Puppy beta7, Sept. 23, 2012
Subject description: precise 5.3.95.1 on acer laptop
 

I moved my 4gb flash drive over to my acer laptop and booted it to
ram, did to usual stuff and rebooted creating a 2nd save file on the
flash drive.

Report Video 1.3 -Sun 23 Sep 2012 on PrecisePuppy5.3.95.1-Linux3.2.30-nopaei686

Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Manhattan
[Mobility Radeon HD 5400 Series]
oem: ATI ATOMBIOS
product: PARK 01.00

X Server: Xorg Driver used: fglrx

X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 1600x900 pixels (423x238 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes
Computer
Processor 4x Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU M 430 @ 2.27GHz
Memory 3103MB (175MB used)
OpenGL
Vendor Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
Renderer ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5400 Series
Version 4.2.11762 Compatibility Profile Context
Direct Rendering Yes

# glxgears
28678 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5735.422 FPS
29030 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5805.986 FPS
29048 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5809.452 FPS

Network controller Atheros Communications Inc. AR928X Wireless Network Adapter
(PCI-Express) (rev 01)

Precise 5.3.95.1 nopae is working well on this newer acer laptop.
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stu91


Joined: 06 Aug 2012
Posts: 145
Location: England. Dpup. Dell Inspiron 1501

PostPosted: Sun 23 Sep 2012, 06:09    Post subject:  

Hello,
While the auto config will use Radeon - I am still unable to manually select the Radeon driver in Xorgwizard.

Laptop graphics: ATI Technologies Inc RS482 [Radeon Xpress 200M]
oem: ATI Radeon® Xpress 1150

cheers.
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LateAdopter

Joined: 27 May 2011
Posts: 154
Location: Reading UK

PostPosted: Sun 23 Sep 2012, 06:36    Post subject: noPAE Radeon Modesetting  

Hello BarryK

I have tried the noPAE kernel, but I don't think it's the right permutation of Radeon KMS.

I think what is needed is a non-PAE kernel with KMS configured exactly the same as the PAE kernel, but with modeset=0 in radeon.conf

Then KMS can be enabled from the menu.lst entry or by editing radeon.conf, for those who want it.

If I enable KMS with this noPaE kernel, I get a fatal version mismatch error in the Xorg log. But this time it does exit to a prompt, so I can poweroff.

With the PAE kernel, if I put modeset=0 in radeon.conf, it works properly with either Radeon or VESA drivers.


A separate request:

If you do compile another kernel for Precise Puppy, could you add CPUID and MSR kernel modules to your .config, please?

CPUID and MSR are present in Lucid Puppy and Ubuntu Precise but they are missing from Precise Puppy.

I did investigate whether I could compile them myself, but it seems that make is defective. It won't compile an in-tree module, that is not in the kernel .config, the way it compiles an out-of-tree module, so I ended up with a module that modprobe can't load.

Thanks
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peebee


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Posts: 1423
Location: Malvern, Worcs, UK

PostPosted: Sun 23 Sep 2012, 08:47    Post subject: Neo magic  

Just tried Precise Beta 7 nopae on my ancient, memory challenged IBM Thinkpad - and IT WORKED!!

This is first "modern" puppy I can recall for some time that has managed to boot straight to desktop using the Neomagic driver.

Found and used the pcmcia wifi card OK as well. Seamonkey web surfing worked.

Bit slow - but with only 160MB of ram and a swap partition I guess there was quite a bit of disk thrashing going on.

Pretty amazing!!
Cheers
Peter

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drblock2

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Posts: 141

PostPosted: Sun 23 Sep 2012, 08:51    Post subject: beta 7 no-pae and nvidia  

Yes, it works right out of the box with the nvidia GeForce FX 5200 that chokes on nouveau. Not having to get rid of nouveau is a real pleasure.

The nv driver loads on booting, but is very slow ca. 36 fps with glxgears. I was able to compile and install the new nvidia driver 173.14.35 as described in my previous post. This also worked flawlessly. After installing the driver with xorgwizard, I got 88x improvement in performance (glxgears 3160 fps), making this one of the fastest puppies yet with this computer AMD Athlon 2 GB with 2GB RAM.

Thanks, Barry!
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Ray MK


Joined: 05 Feb 2008
Posts: 764
Location: UK

PostPosted: Sun 23 Sep 2012, 12:17    Post subject:  

Hi Barry

5395 beta7.

Just done a manual frugal to sda and booted via grub4dos on both my 10yr old Acer laptop and a 2yr old Emachines E732 laptop with 2gb ram and an i3-370M proc.

All seems to be working OOTB on both machines.
Don't recall hearing woof-woof at startup. Re-started X server - no woof-woof.(using the E732)

Edit:Woof-woof does work on the Acer laptop - just booted and guess what? got a woof-woof.
Will try a fresh boot again with the E732 tomorrow.

However. went to YouTube and played the I'm Sorry Video, just fine.

So sound works and video seems fine.

Absolutely flies on the E732 and was also fast on the 10yr old Acer.
No apparent excessive cpu activity or heat either.

So for me - just using it as is - all seems good.

Now to try on the EeePc and the even older IBM.

Many thanks for a luvly Puppy - very best regards - Ray

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PostPosted: Sun 23 Sep 2012, 14:22    Post subject: Precise Puppy beta7, Sept. 23, 2012
Subject description: precise 5.3.95.1 on eeepc 701
 

I took my 4gb flash drive from above posts and plugged it into my
eeepc 701, booted to ram and did the usual stuff, rebooted creating a
3rd save file on the flash drive.

Report Video 1.3-Sun23Sep2012onPrecisePuppy 5.3.95.1 - Linux 3.2.30-nopae i686

Chip description:
2.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML
Express Graphics Controller (rev 04)
oem: Intel(r)915GM/910ML/915MS Graphics Chip Accelerated VGA BIOS
product: Intel(r)915GM/910ML/915MS Graphics Controller Hardware Version 0.0

X Server: Xorg Driver used: intel

X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 800x480 pixels (211x126 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

Computer
Processor Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 900MHz
Memory 505MB (89MB used)

OpenGL
Vendor VMware, Inc.
Renderer Gallium 0.4 on i915 (chipset
Version 2.0 Mesa 8.0.3
Direct Rendering Yes
# glxgears
Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be
approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
136 frames in 5.0 seconds = 27.123 FPS
134 frames in 5.0 seconds = 26.658 FPS
124 frames in 5.0 seconds = 24.765 FPS

Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x / AR542x Wireless Network Adapter
(PCI-Express) (rev 01)

First boot did the same as 5.3.95 in that it booted to the prompt and
I needed to run xorgwizard + probe then xwin to get to the desktop.

I installed VLC with PPM.
Precise 5.3.95.1 is working well on this netbook.
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PostPosted: Sun 23 Sep 2012, 15:03    Post subject: flash player  

Can anyone make a pet out of mint-flashplugin-11.deb file
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PostPosted: Sun 23 Sep 2012, 15:31    Post subject: General impression  

I use a very old Sony Vaio P3 500 MHz 256 MB RAM notebook. I have installed on my PC win XP, Lubuntu 12.04, Bodhi Linux 1.4 and Precise 5.3.95 frugal. I did a little comparison, slowest is of course win xp, than puppy precise frugal, than Bodhi linux based on Ubuntu 10.04 and the fastest distro appeared to be Lubintu 12.04 how come? Puppy precise suppose to run from RAM, but I just suspect it is swapping all rhe time, it would be good explanation that is running slow, but full install does not run any faster. It uses less RAM than any other distro, htop shows 42MB compare to about 70 MB used by LXDE or E17, but CPU resources is different story, seems like lubuntu is the most efficient in CPU resources, I can run firefox very smooth, seamonkey get quickly saturated when I load media rich web page. Is Puppy precise optimized in how CPU resources are used? I know this is a very old PC, but all these distros are for the older hardware, on my netbook HP 210 mini I run ubuntu 12.04 and it is faster than any of this distros runing on the old hardware.
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PostPosted: Sun 23 Sep 2012, 15:36    Post subject:  

PAE is exceptional on all my post 1999 PCs. No issues (except, of course, you know).

This is wonderful progress for all of us in Puppyland.

Performance is outstanding on every PC(s) tested.

You must be proud of this for it takes advantage of all PC's RAM no matter 256MB (trash laptop) to 8GB. The PAE version just doesnt care and does NOT impact performance in any way. Intel and AMD hardware assist for this is worthy for all 32bit configurations tested.

PAE now has over 1 year of tests in Puppyland distros. It has been demonstrating since its introduction by JamesBond that there is no negative impact in its use, assuming the PC boots to use it. This allows all PCs built since 1995 to work no matter how much RAM the PC has. (minimun recommendation is 512MB although it has been shown to run on 256MB laptops).

Thanks again, BarryK for the builds and the community for its testings.

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