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Lobster
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PostPosted: Thu 22 Mar 2012, 08:59    Post subject:  Puppy-to-iPad interfacing  


Evil or Very Mad Bad cructacean!
To the dog house!

. . . couple of days ago, due to lack of Raspberry Pi
I went and bought a retina display Ipad
I may get a picture of Steve Wozniaks eyeball
and use that as wallpaper as penance . . .

I feel unclean Embarassed
Like a little Apple bitc*
I felt so sure they were going to
high five me in the apple store
like some sort of pop tart - or in my case pup tart.

I don't want to be cool
I am penguin
The apple ipad hard core are lacking USB
and that is not fruitful

Ah well
Onward and upward . . .

. . . how easy to interface with Puppy?

The ipad comes with a USB to Apple port
(weird, proprietary overpriced interface that no one but Uphill-Apple uses) Rolling Eyes
Apple use the cable for charging
I plugged it in to a Puppy PC running Slacko 5.3.1 and the ipad was immediately and automatically recognized as a camera
by Slacko . . . good dog . . .
just click on the open USB device button

Suited me as I wanted to transfer pics to Puppy
- which I did.

If I jailbreak (whatever that is) - mount the BSD base of Apple IOS
or find out more details on interfacing
will keep you informed Smile

m m m . . . just had an idea - with a file manager or similar - if I move them into the photo gallery folder . . . I may have a transfer option for more than pics . . .
saves using the cloud . . .

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PostPosted: Fri 23 Mar 2012, 03:38    Post subject:  

Hi Guys, Smile

Been finding out stuff.
It seems it is legal to jailbreak the Ipad in the US
but in the UK you might get a visit from an Apple Peeler
(Tee hee - Police were originally known as Peelers) Smile
- it is a gray area,
Update Jailbreak exists for ipad3 Hooray!

I am unable to alter permissions
on the camera1 and camera2 directories - so far
Can not upload pics from Puppy to Ipayed
m m m . . .

The thing is Apple is using BSD behind its veneer
- another Unix type OS.

Any ideas on uploading from Puppy?

About the ipad:
The display is very good
The voice recognition out of the box in notes and web search
is surprisingly good.
There are lots of free apps
The new camera is much better.

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Mar 2012, 02:27    Post subject:  

Lobster, i think one can only upload to an iPayed (or any other i-payable gadget), from another gadget/machine if it has iTunes for music and/or iPhoto for piccies....they don't seem to want to 'sync' otherwise. I tried to load music onto my iPod from Puppy but it was 'no comprendo' until i plugged it into the Mac and fired up iTunes....then it all livened up quick smart! Bloody arbitrary s**t Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Sat 24 Mar 2012, 05:57    Post subject:  

Thanks russoodle.
I did try with Windows 7 mode under Wine (meant to work - did not) and I do have a G4 Mac that is as slow as a crab apple.

Transfer via the G4 and then a USB stick is not ideal and I may have to use the cloud . . .

I was aware of these connection issues and I have to say Apples closed system seems more secure. Only Apple and probably every cool dudette working at their stores can access my data. I am not that concerned - Android seems a little too open in comparison.

I must say I like the Ipad - been taking pics this morning. Cool

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PostPosted: Thu 29 Mar 2012, 02:38    Post subject:    


I have found out a cheap 5 to 1 connection device exists through third parties (the only sort I am ever invited to)
but have not ascertained their reliability with New Ipad

There are in fact already 4 jailbreaking options now available (time of this post)
For example:
http://spiritjb.com/

I am probably not yet confident enough to attempt this on the New Ipad but my Android phone may be soon getting a 'get out of jail free' call . . .

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PostPosted: Thu 29 Mar 2012, 05:41    Post subject:  

The gtkpod application I posted here -
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=59183
once installed in Puppy 5.1/5.2.x (Lucid), will fully expose the filesystem of iPod-Touch, iPhone and iPad models, at /mnt/ipod
No jailbreaking is necessary.
And this version of gtkpod can also be installed in Slacko with additional libraries I posted later in that thread -
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=584479#584479

The only problem is that as newer models are released, their communication protocols typically change as Apple constantly tries to block third-party software from accessing their devices.
I last updated gtkpod in late 2011 - and I'm not sure if it will work with the iPad 3.
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PostPosted: Thu 29 Mar 2012, 19:07    Post subject:  

Quote:
and I'm not sure if it will work with the iPad 3


Appreciate the help tempestuous. Cool

I am not yet sure either Shocked
I am getting as far as an ipod directory (empty)
and the recognition of an Apple device with a unique ID
as mentioned in your documentation.

I will play some more in the future . . .
Thanks very much Smile

I just exported my gmail contacts (
in apple vcf format
Clicked on the attachment in Ipad 'mail' and Apple grabbed and added.
Painless.
http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=24911

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PostPosted: Thu 29 Mar 2012, 19:57    Post subject:  

Lobster wrote:
I am getting as far as ...
... the recognition of an Apple device with a unique ID

OK, by this you mean that in /var/log/messages
you can see something like:
Code:
usbmuxd[12707]: [4] Initializing USB
Found new device with v/p 05ac:1290 at 3-68
...
Connected to v1.0 device 1 on location 0x30044 with serial number be2975afb30b6db9025f95261b9e0a7041044661

??

If so, just continue with my instructions from here -
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=445456#445456
You will see that the next step is this -
Code:
ifuse /mnt/ipod

... but don't get impatient and try to browse the filesystem at this stage - it will still appear empty.
You must continue with the process of creating the necessary configuration file, then unmount, reboot, then mount again.

And of course this will only work in Lucid, or Slacko with the additional compatibility library package. Success with any other Puppy version is unlikely.
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PostPosted: Mon 02 Apr 2012, 03:31    Post subject:  

Quote:
... but don't get impatient and try to browse the filesystem at this stage - it will still appear empty.


I got as far as Ifuse Embarassed
I will try again . . . or may just get a cheap interface from ebay
or a UK pound shop.
I do appreciate the help but get easily distracted.
[oh look there a fish . . .] Embarassed

My sister who has an Ipad 2 was startled to find out that
the USB connector existed (which is plugged into the charging plug)
She has had the Ipad for about 6 months . . . Shocked
She has Windows7 and so can run itunes and transfer data . . .

At the moment I am using send by email options for some file transfer.

Some general points:
Apple security seems very much tighter (this may be an illusion)
compared to my Android phone - which probably also means Android tablets.
Believe it or not, the Apple tablet is too heavy. You hold it, like a book. After a while it gets heavy. Bring on the E-ink screens. Smile

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr 2012, 05:34    Post subject:  

OK tried the ifuse

Code:
# ifuse /mnt/ipod
Failed to connect to lockdownd service on the device.
Try again. If it still fails try rebooting your device.


then closed down the Ipad (kind of a hibernate mode, where you have to slide a lock to reactivate) and got this:

Code:
# ifuse /mnt/ipod
usbmuxd_get_device_list: Unexpected message 5
usbmuxd_get_result: Error receiving packet: 104
usbmuxd_connect: Connect failed, Error code=-1
Failed to connect to lockdownd service on the device.
Try again. If it still fails try rebooting your device.



then did a full shut down and restart of the ipad
and got

Code:
# ifuse /mnt/ipod
Failed to connect to lockdownd service on the device.
Try again. If it still fails try rebooting your device.
#

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PostPosted: Wed 04 Apr 2012, 04:54    Post subject:  

Tried using itunes on a Power Mac G4 to synch
- cloud base, via Apple. Just not happy with that
- no success anyway
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/apples-incompatible-filesystem/191

I have also been looking at Samba
and setting up FTP servers on devices.
I was able to read that a network device was available from Puppy
but was unable to look inside the shared directory.

For the moment I am going to have to use email attachments
- again via the cloud, until figuring direct connection.

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PostPosted: Sun 08 Apr 2012, 02:48    Post subject:  HFSX  

Apple used a version of BSD HFS (filing system)
then it became HFS+
The system used in portable devices such as the ipod, iphone and ipad is HFSX

Linux does have kernel modules that can read and possibly write to this filing system.
Is there any Puppy kernel where this support is enabled? Cool

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PostPosted: Sun 08 Apr 2012, 02:53    Post subject:  

I dont see any other hfs related modules ?
CONFIG_HFS_FS=m
CONFIG_HFSPLUS_FS=m
CONFIG_AUFS_BR_HFSPLUS=y

EDIT. Checked it. HFSPLUS is for Apple extended filesystem. Extended = HFSX ?
I believe these are enabled as default in most Puppy kernels.

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PostPosted: Sun 08 Apr 2012, 03:21    Post subject:  

Have used http://www.rockbox.org/ to free an ipod. Just stumbled upon this: http://www.idroidproject.org/wiki/Openiboot
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PostPosted: Mon 09 Apr 2012, 00:28    Post subject:  

Lobster, did you see my update to gtkpod yesterday?
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