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rkonrad

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PostPosted: Sun 01 Apr 2012, 17:32    Post subject:  best puppy for very old computer  

I have a pentium 3, celeron laptop with 256 memory. What would be the best puppy linux version for me? I've tried macpup and all I get is a blank screen with no x-probe dialogue. So the basic question might be, which version is happiest on a minimal system. Thanks.

Richard
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Dewbie

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PostPosted: Sun 01 Apr 2012, 17:49    Post subject:  

The most conservative choices for that machine would be either Wary or Classic Pup 2.14x.

However, it might also be able to run Lucid Puppy without any problems.
(That would be here--the ones marked puppy-5.0 and later.)

Also, with 256MB RAM, you will need to add a 256MB Linux swap partition.
Swap is virtual memory, like pagefile.sys in Windows.
The idea is to have 512MB total memory, either RAM only or RAM+swap.
For this, go to Menu / System / GParted partition manager.
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PostPosted: Sun 01 Apr 2012, 18:10    Post subject:  

Very Happy Hello,
In Puppy land that is not "very old" at all..
214x or Wary should run great on it....

@ I have Puppy "barebones 3.01" on a Pentium1 75 mhz with 64mb ram and 64mb swap.. Not blazing fast, but more nimble than Win98 on the same machine, and it does wireless.. Basically it is a zsnes machine, but runs Firefox and Mplayer fairly well.. Puppy can resurrect dinosaurs...

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sfeeley

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PostPosted: Sun 01 Apr 2012, 19:35    Post subject:  

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I've tried macpup and all I get is a blank screen with no x-probe dialogue.


I don't use macpup, but on most puppies you can hit ctrl + alt+ backspace to exit everything to a console prompt.
then type
xorgwizard

this will let you set up your screen.
on an older computer, you might have to set things manually, rather than letting it probe
also xvesa might be a better choice than xorg
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PostPosted: Mon 02 Apr 2012, 04:09    Post subject:  

Which Puppy is right for you? Very Happy
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/WhatPuppyLinuxIsBestForYou

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jakfish

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PostPosted: Mon 02 Apr 2012, 04:18    Post subject:  

I run ttuuxx's 4.32 on a creaky Sony Vaio Picturebook with 114mb RAM *and* no swap file. On the other hand, I keep the apps to a basic: Softmaker SFS, Links browser, sylpheed email, xhippo mp3 player.

I wouldn't suggest burning DVDs on my setup, but it gets me around quickly, since I found a swap file on the Vaio to slow things down.

With your setup, you can run a lot of different puppies.

Jake

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PostPosted: Mon 02 Apr 2012, 05:34    Post subject:  

Hi, I am running Wary 5.2.2 in a laptop of 2001 vintage and it runs very well (see my sig for specs)
It detected my old pcmia card out of the box and has no hiccups at all.
Hope this helped.

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rkonrad

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PostPosted: Mon 02 Apr 2012, 10:56    Post subject: best puppy  

The recent Slaco got me to the video probe screen but nothing seems to work. I even selected "vesa" and I get a blank screen and a lock-up. The test screen also freezes the system. My computer is a Toshiba Satellite PS181C-OOCET. I wouldn't mind a few suggestions. Thanks in advance.

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PostPosted: Mon 02 Apr 2012, 12:03    Post subject:  

Why not start with the other suggestions? Wary for example. Cool
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greengeek

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PostPosted: Mon 02 Apr 2012, 13:57    Post subject: Re: best puppy for very old computer  

rkonrad wrote:
So the basic question might be, which version is happiest on a minimal system

Hi Richard, I just googled your machine and it has reasonable specs that should allow it to run nicely with quite a few versions of Puppy.

The real issue is "which Puppy is happiest with the particular video hardware in this machine", as that seems to be the roadblock you are experiencing. Toshiba have used lots of different video boards in their various machines and it is often trial and error selecting the best mode to run the graphics board in. If you use it in a basic mode without acceleration you may find that Vesa is the best starting choice (Note that Xvesa is a different thing from Vesa).

(Different versions of puppy use slightly different formats of the video selection procedure at setup time, so explore the "probe / choose / test" options fully - sometimes the best option is accessed in a different order than you might first expect)

If you want it to run in accelerated mode (which is very useful if you can get it to work...) then you will need a special driver and need to get it correctly configured which can be a mission. Maybe leave that till later.

Google suggests that your graphics card is a "Integrated Trident® CyberBlade Ai1". I seem to remember seeing many forum entries about the Trident cyberblade while I was trying to get my Trident cyber9525 working (it is a different graphics board so my specific info won't help you...). I would recommend that you confirm the spec of the graphics board in your machine and then google other peoples experience with it. However - I don't recommend that you spend time on the accelerated driver yet.

I have found that different puppies will have different default video setups depending on what hardware the original creator of that version was using. For that reason it is worth trying a variety of versions to see if any get you a little closer.

I would encourage you to try Akita fairly early on as it is developed by forum member Scottman, who does a lot of work porting video games onto puppy and I have found that his video setup parameters have been better than most in my various Toshiba laptops. Akita is available here:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=67811

Another good one to try is Puppy 4.3.1
Although it is an older, more basic version of Puppy, it is renowned for being pretty rock solid and the key at this stage is to identify what will work with your video hardware, rather than finding the best overall Puppy at the moment.

One last suggestion: forum member ttuuxxx has vast experience with setting up puppy versions in special ways - I have had good success on Toshiba laptops with his special media version of Wary. You can find it here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=67137

Lastly - don't give up! And be aware that some strange problems can occur if you have a bad CD burn - choose a low speed for the burn. Good luck!
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr 2012, 21:47    Post subject:  

I have to second 4.3.1.

Although I am currently running Lucid 5.0 and it is working beautifully on a newer (but still pretty old) desktop, I ran 4.3.1 on an ancient laptop and nearly-fossilized desktop for a few years without a hiccup.

Definitely recommended.
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Dewbie

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Apr 2012, 22:03    Post subject:  

Wary, Classic Pup 2.14x, and Puppies 4.3.1 and older all have Xvesa video wizard, which works with a larger number of video cards.
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rkonrad

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PostPosted: Wed 04 Apr 2012, 16:19    Post subject: best puppy for older computer  

I did try the Wary 5 and it probed for the correct video card and worked! It recognized the card as "trident" but I am not convinced that is totally correct. The fastest internet response to the simplest html page is about 7-8 seconds so perhaps it needs more work. I have a pretty fast internet connection. I will spend time on the latter suggestion on this post when I have time. Thanks for all the responses!

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Dewbie

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PostPosted: Thu 05 Apr 2012, 01:45    Post subject:  

rkonrad wrote:
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It recognized the card as "trident" but I am not convinced that is totally correct.

As long as everything works, it doesn't matter.
I have a PS/2 mouse on this box, yet Classic Pup 2.14x recognizes it as USB.
But it works... Smile

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The fastest internet response to the simplest html page is about 7-8 seconds so perhaps it needs more work.

If this persists, try Wary 5.1.4.1.
It's the latest one with the older, faster SeaMonkey 1.1.18 browser.
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PostPosted: Thu 05 Apr 2012, 05:36    Post subject:  

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It is also possible that the Macpup you tried didn't copy to CD correctly. Might be worth trying to burn it again, or even trying other versions of Macpup.

Check out this collection of Macpups - they range from older ones through to the newest, and might be worth another go if the Macpup look appeals to you:

http://macpup.org/index.php
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