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Hi,

Just downloading Raspbian. It'll be interesting to see if it is fast ...

I just thought I'd share something I have been working on - it's a little gui calculator written in Python.
It seems to work, but needs tidying up. Let's say it's a "pre-Alpha".
If anyone want to give it a try and let me know if they find any bugs ...

Loading my Raspberry Pi system...

I might tidy up my "cockraoch" build based on Wheezy then get back to SLR (based on armed slack). I learned a lot building something more advanced than what woof could handle at the time.

Barry is working on a Raspian woof build, that will fix many bugs in woof for newer Debian based woof versions, and help me debug my Armedslack version.

More to come ...

T_Hobbit has his Rpi primed and prepared in Portugal ready to try out the efforts of our Pi-oneers. Hooray.

Antiloquax using an emphasis on Arch code, Saluki styling and Python serpentile efforts might release an ISO over the summer?

Getting woof to work on ARM is beyond me. I tried. I failed. I gave up. I blamed bugman.
I will leave the smart stuff to Micko and his soon to be revived SLR

Barry continues to improve both woof and Puppi Warp (next release - read comments)
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02912

As you know I am just a self-glorified end user. Rpi is teaching me the 'Zen in the Art of Raspberry'.
Working at this early phase is enlightening.
. . . must remember the words of Master Yoda . . .

Try not. Do, or do not. There is no try.

I love the idea of RPi and happy the kids that have teachers that teach them to do programming on them.

But apart from the Classroom environ.

If one look at them from a Average Joe home computer perspective then the RPi is not ideal.

Mele1000 and MK802 and Via APC and many more are easier to get going?

Take the Via APC it cost only 49USD and have more connections then RPi has and you don't need no fancy TV with HDMI cable connection but you can connect such if you have one and you get VGA out to any old monitor you may have laying around HDMI TV is rather expensive. As an old retired Nooby I have thrown away some 4 VGA monitors due to them taking up too much space on the shelfs and now I only have 4 VGA LCD screen but only one HDMI screen and that is the TV for to look at TV and not for doing computing on.

So a Via APC costing only ten USD more has better connections I can connect USB keyboard and USB mouth without having to buy any Hub or to buy Wifi keyboard and Wifi mouse.

Via APC can also have Linux on it.

it has good RAM memory too but the GPU is only 12XX x 768 so it is not the highest resolution. But I am using 1024 x 768 now and that is okay with me.

So don't get me wrong I do love the RPi concept for Schoolroom but from a practical Linux point of view would not any of the others be even more practical?

Sorry if this is seen as derailing this good thread. Just trying to be practical

Lobster wrote: Antiloquax using an emphasis on Arch code, Saluki styling and Python serpentile efforts might release an ISO over the summer?

Getting woof to work on ARM is beyond me.

Hmm, I feel that the woof business is beyond me too.
I am a little reluctant to even attempt it, as the SAP is so good!

If I did manage to do something, it probably wouldn't be very Puppy-like as my focus is all on coding, rather than the sort of complete "desktop" that Puppy offers.

Probably I am better spending my time learning programming!
Just out of interest - would PPM work with the Arch repos?
woof woof!

nooby said:

Mele1000 and MK802 and Via APC and many more are easier to get going?

Take the Via APC it cost only 49USD and have more connections then RPi has and you don't need no fancy TV with HDMI cable connection but you can connect such if you have one and you get VGA out to any old monitor you may have laying around HDMI TV is rather expensive. As an old retired Nooby I have thrown away some 4 VGA monitors due to them taking up too much space on the shelfs and now I only have 4 VGA LCD screen but only one HDMI screen and that is the TV for to look at TV and not for doing computing on.

Have you looked in your area for a used DVI-D monitor (can be used with HDMI to DVI-D cable or adapter)? There are a lot of these around used at pretty good prices. In my local area the online want-ads have the monitors for $20-40 USD. I got one free from a Windows 2000 system that was headed for the junk store. It works great! Amazon.com has the HDMI-DVD-D cable for $5-7 USD. So a new $150-200 USD monitor is not required.

So don't get me wrong I do love the RPi concept for Schoolroom but from a practical Linux point of view would not any of the others be even more practical?

Sorry if this is seen as derailing this good thread. Just trying to be practical.

While the devices you mention might have some advantages, how large is their user base? There are now reportedly > 200,000 R_pi in the wild, and (I have heard) 4,000 being manufactured per day, and group sales now just being opened up. Lots of schoolchildren are coming on board, and the estimate of one million sales by the end of the year may not be grossly over optimistic.
If only 10 percent of those become Puppy users the whole enterprise would be enhanced. Good things happen when the user base becomes large. Puppy might even start appearing on arm-powered phones and tablets!

every new desktop/laptop comes with stickers on it, it will be nice if our Puppy graphicians could prepare some for Puppy and RPi, it could be something like that (i've found similar in Linux Format magazine for other distros):

antiloquax wrote: Just out of interest - would PPM work with the Arch repos?
woof woof!

As far as I am aware, if created with woof, yes indeed.

Hi guys,

Just got my Pi and great to see the work going ahead that will let me use Puppy

Unless I've been a bit blind and missed them then I'm really looking forward to seeing the first releases for me to download and boot!

Not sure I'm much cop at helping the progress but wanted to voice my avid support since Puppy is the only version Linux that's ever got me interested enough to use it let alone think about using it long term instead of MS Windows...

Cheers for the efforts!

Alucinary

Alucinary wrote:Unless I've been a bit blind and missed them then I'm really looking forward to seeing the first releases for me to download and boot!

Image for SAP alpha 4 by BarryK <--
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=79359

Brilliant!

Thanks

Puppi Power images as a base already being used
but more welcome



and here is some wallpaper (bit big for forum)
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/115/wallpaper5t.jpg

Puppy Linux
Power to You

Alucinary do your know? Are you aware of that
you need a higher quality of SD card than one
usually buy in cheap stores? Was it quality 6
or even 8 that one need and those that usually
sell is quality 4 or my poor memory fails me.

Here in Sweden we almost only have MicroSD
and not standard SD. So not sure why the guys
behind RPi chose such odd format?

Did not Barry write on his blog that he long for to
get his Mele 1000 to work and him a bit skeptical
to RPi? My poor reading read at his blog.

http://bkhome.org/blog/?do=listComments

Was it quality 6

It was class 6 and above

So not sure why the guys
behind RPi chose such odd format?

Price.

nooby wrote:Alucinary do your know? Are you aware of that
you need a higher quality of SD card than one
usually buy in cheap stores? Was it quality 6
or even 8 that one need and those that usually
sell is quality 4 or my poor memory fails me.

Here in Sweden we almost only have MicroSD
and not standard SD. So not sure why the guys
behind RPi chose such odd format?

Did not Barry write on his blog that he long for to
get his Mele 1000 to work and him a bit skeptical
to RPi? My poor reading read at his blog.

http://bkhome.org/blog/?do=listComments

Barry recommends 6, though the guys actually at Raspberry Pi said minimum of 4... I have to admit that I myself have actually just shoved in a 4GB HC PNY SD card I had lying around so no idea what class it was though I suspect at least 4 - doing just fine for now

unfortunately price has dictated a lot of the design as it would be nice to use microSD, mini-HDMI, micro USB, mini ethernet etc etc and have an even smaller footprint to play with... then again a lot of the point is the low cost and that's definitely a bonus at £25 for a PC!

About sd cards,

I don't believe everything what I read.

Just now I booted from a sd card with only one 268MB partition (rest is unallocated space) and my puppy files are on a usb hd. Also a usb stick should work.

So if you have at least a 4GB usb stick, a 256MB sd card should be enough. Maybe the class doesn't matter in this case. I can't test it, because I kow that I have an adapter for a micro sd and at least one very old 2GB sd card, but they're lost in (my) space.

~Rolf

rhadon that is cool.
So the big ones cost less than the small ones with adapter?
But if you have a lot of micro-SD and none of the big ones
then to travel to inner city or pay for the cost of sending it
that would be two times the price of another RPi?

Rhadon you made me smile with this one
Ich verwende "frugal", und das ist gut so.

Only this you should not tell the Ubuntu guys. They get very angry

nooby wrote:So the big ones cost less than the small ones with adapter?

I think so.

...that would be two times the price of another RPi?

I guess that sweden is a little bit more expensive than germany, but this is hard to believe. I think that micro sds with adapter (at least 256MB) are also working. But it's a guess, I can't test, and sometimes reality doesn't care about what I think.

Only this you should not tell the Ubuntu guys. They get very angry

Also running always as root is like walking naked trough the town (for them). I don't want to tell anybody that frugal is better than full, or running as root is better. It's my preference. If anybody doesn't like it, is this my problem? I don't think so.

~Rolf

Thanks Rolf, I am with you on such matters.

Re Raspberry Puppi

I really love this as a concept indeed. To teach programming.
But I need a VGA connector not a HDMI.

And such devices exists now and only cost some 10 USD more
and are from Via named APC. ARM Powered Computer???

49USD I should buy one. Only my laziness is in the way.
I should send one to Barry so he put puppy on it too.

Sorry derailing the thread. Can't we have both? RPi and Via APC?